Russia may deploy with India co-production "Sukhoi Superjet"

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Russia and India are discussing deployment of joint production of short-haul passenger aircraft "Sukhoi Superjet-100". About this Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told journalists, following the meeting of the Russian-Indian intergovernmental commission on trade-economic, scientific-technical and cultural cooperation.

"This is the localization of" Sukhoi Superjet-100 "in India - he said. - It can be made here as to the needs of the Indian market, and for sharing access to the markets of third countries."
He said, "India has also expressed interest in the medium-haul passenger aircraft MS-21", which is completely "meets the needs of the Indian market," as in the number of seats (180 passengers) and the flight range (up to five thousand kilometers).
Rogozin said that "the first flight of the MS-21 to be held in 2016, and the beginning of its serial production is scheduled for 2017."
The politician added that Russia "considers promising cooperation with India in the helicopter." "Our proposal in this area involves the use of Ka-226 helicopters, both for civil and military purposes," - said Deputy Prime Minister.

According to Rogozin, Russia and India can expand the joint production of modules for reception of satellite system GLONASS.
"We consider separately the question of our cooperation in space matters and agreed to hold separate consultations on the subject, - he said. - It is a manned space flight and projects related to the sharing of the Russian GLONASS satellite navigation system, in particular, the joint production of modules for receiving GLONASS signal. "

According to him, Russia considers the joint production of modules possible, especially "if India agrees to implement a system of ERA GLONASS". It is a system of satellite monitoring of transport to be automatically notified emergency responders during emergencies.
Rogozin also called promising "a co-production of electronic components" and bilateral "projects in the field of space instrument." "I think the visit (in December - approx.) to India of Russian President Vladimir Putin, or immediately after it is reached an understanding on the reconciliation of our space program," - he stressed.
Co-chair of the intergovernmental commission on the Indian side is Foreign Minister Sushma Swaraj. During the visit to India by Dmitry Rogozin also scheduled to meet with Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

source:Russia may deploy with India co-production aircraft "Sukhoi Superjet-100" - News - Economy - Russian Radio
 

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Good news.
 

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UAC :: MS-21

The family of MS-21 aircraft includes three models:

MS-21-200 with capacity of 150 passengers
MS-21-300 with capacity of 181 passengers
MS-21-400 with capacity of 212 passengers
MS-21-200 is planned to be the first aircraft of the family.

First MS-21 aircraft will have to be enter into service in 2016.
 

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aircraft – Sukhoi Civil Aircraft

The SSJ100 is a 100 seat regional jet designed, developed and built by Sukhoi Civil Aircraft Company (SCAC), in partnership with Alenia Aermacchi, a Finmeccanica Company. On May 19th 2008 SSJ100 successfully accomplished its first flight. Today the SSJ100 is certified by multiple National Aviation Authorities: European EASA, Russian IAC AR and Mexican, Laos and Indonesian Civil Aviation Authorities. In 2011 the first production SSJ100 entered into service.
 

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The SSJ100 is a good aircraft but it may not find market in India. Indian govt owned airlines have no ability to buy this plane. Private carriers may not buy either although the planes seems good and cheap for domestic routes.

The hope may lie with Tata who launched a new airline. Maybe they can build this plane and then use it for their own airline venture.

Russia should be talking to Tata rather than GOI.

The rest of the projects should go through. We welcome cooperation with Russia on defence and space projects.
 

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We shouldn't be fooled by this offer like mig21,mig27,now su30mki!

After they develop it and passed on to us! We want r&d,design, manufactoring techs. Not some assemblo,some low tech manufactoring. We want knowledge based co-development!
 

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India's quest for advanced stealth fighter yet to emerge from doldrums
Rajat Pandit,TNN | Nov 6, 2014


India is not likely to get a futuristic stealth fighter anytime before 2024-2025. Technical and price wrangles continue to bedevil the joint project with Russia to develop the fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA).

India, in fact, has conveyed its deep concerns to Russia about being denied "full access" to the FGFA project despite the fact that it is supposed to be an equal partner in financing it. The "continuing problems" in the project has meant India and Russia are still to ink the full final design or R&D phase contract for the FGFA, throwing revised timelines into yet another tailspin.

Earlier this year, officials were also shocked to find that India's work-share in the FGFA project had been reduced to just 13% from the earlier envisaged one of 50%. "Russia is yet to clear our lingering technical doubts about the project. But with President Vladimir Putin coming to India in December, there might finally be some forward movement," said a source.

India and Russia had inked the $295 million preliminary design contract in December 2010, as per which the under-development Russian 5th Gen fighter called Sukhoi T-50 would be tweaked to Indian requirements for its "perspective multi-role fighter".

But the final R&D contract, which was to be signed by 2012, is still to be finalized. Under it, India and Russia are supposed to chip in with $5.5 billion each towards the cost of designing, infrastructure build-up, prototype development and flight testing, as earlier reported by TOI.

All the 127 single-seat fighters that India hopes to induct are to be built at the Ozar facility of Hindustan Aeronautics in Nashik. In fact, the first Indian FGFA prototype was earlier slated to reach Ozar by 2014, with the second and third following in 2017 and 2019.

"But this obviously cannot happen now. The project's full R&D phase will also be pushed back to 2021-2022, only after which HAL will begin manufacturing the fighters," said the source.

India has repeatedly rebuffed overtures made by the US for joining its Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) or the F-35 'Lightning-II' programme. Now, having sunk in a lot of time and money into the FGFA project with Russia, it has no option but to pursue it.

But it has reduced the required numbers from an earlier 166 single-seat and 48 twin-seat 5th Gen fighters to just 127 single-seat ones. It was felt that the twin-seat option would reduce the stealth features and add weight as well as make the fighter much more expensive.

India’s quest for advanced stealth fighter yet to emerge from doldrums - The Times of India
If this is how Russia is to address India's defence requirements, then one should not get too elated about anything from or with Russia.
 

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@Ray, I have already said multiple times on this forum that India has its foot in two boats going in two different directions.

The trust problem will increasingly appear as India's purchases from USA grow. The Russians will feel threatened and probably French will also feel the heat.

IAF does not understand R&D. A lot of things go wrong during R&D phase. Projections and deadlines in research are not carved in stone. However India should have taken up a larger part of the project from the word go, and would have used its scientific resources to deliver parts which it can like FBW, EW, Cockpit systems etc.

Where is the participation of Indian research community in this project? HAL is NOT an R&D organization.

Mr Antony has left a mess in MOD. This government is left with cleaning this mess. Please do not go by these stupid news reports.

IAF attitude needs change too.
 
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@Ray, I have already said multiple times on this forum that India has its foot in two boats going in two different directions.

The trust problem will increasingly appear as India's purchases from USA grow. The Russians will feel threatened and probably French will also feel the heat.

IAF does not understand R&D. A lot of things go wrong during R&D phase. Projections and deadlines in research are not carved in stone. However India should have taken up a larger part of the project from the word go, and would have used its scientific resources to deliver parts which it can like FBW, EW, Cockpit systems etc.

Where is the participation of Indian research community in this project? HAL is NOT an R&D organization.

Mr Antony has left a mess in MOD. This government is left with cleaning this mess. Please do not go by these stupid news reports.

IAF attitude needs change too.
One has to have diverse vendors since India does not produce indigenous material.

The rational is that in case of war, sanctions do not choke India.

A very intelligent policy.

It would be incorrect to imagine that India is a novice. Kurt Tank working at HAL designed and put the HF 24 in the show window. And HF 24 was way ahead of the times. It is just that India could not find the right engine.

I do not go by what you call 'stupid news reports'. I have experience in the field and that helps and I have no agenda or bias that impedes me as it may do to others.

To put it succinctly, when I see a rainbow in the sky, I do not fall for it that it has a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. I merely savour the beauty of the rainbow.

It is true that India has miles to go, but it is not a footnote in contemporary times either.
 
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Well 1st co-produce then offer to Chinese to get quick bucks.

Su 30mki futher evolved to Su 35 >>>> offered to China

PAK FA>>>> Offered to China

Kilo Subs >>> Offered Amur class to China

Firgates >>> On sale to Chinese again

Similarly many armoured vehicles ,Attack helicopters are on sale to chinese after screwing Indians and let Indian pay us through their nose.

Let make it Indian and keep it Indian.
 

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@Ray, intelligent policy is full focus on local production. Imports can never be a smart policy.

If India thinks FGFA project is not delivering, then logical way is to produce AMCA. If India can produce LCA, it can produce AMCA too. Why can't India design a plane with two engines (let us say same as LCA engines).

Why India did not think of building the "right" engine for HF-24? Maybe people placed more emphasis on foreign trips than on building factories in India.

India is in FGFA project due to some advantage it offers IAF. I have put a question to you - how much of the R&D burden has India offered to take in FGFA project? The problem with HAL is that it never takes responsibility for R&D.
 
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We shouldn't be fooled by this offer like mig21,mig27,now su30mki!

After they develop it and passed on to us! We want r&d,design, manufactoring techs. Not some assemblo,some low tech manufactoring. We want knowledge based co-development!
Sir, there are no reason to get fooled in it.

Anyway, it's a business proposal.

Let some private sector business group get involved in it.

It is not government's business to do business.

Some Indian private company can get good chance to start their business in aviation industry.

I am wrong?
 

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@Ray, intelligent policy is full focus on local production. Imports can never be a smart policy.
It is intelligent when you do not produce a sausage.

We relied on imported rifles in case you have forgotten.

If India thinks FGFA project is not delivering, then logical way is to produce AMCA. If India can produce LCA, it can produce AMCA too. Why can't India design a plane with two engines (let us say same as LCA engines).
If designing and producing an aircraft was that easy and cheap, then beggars would ride.

And then you would not have MNREGA, Food for Security and things.

Do not have a tunnel approach to India, its requirements and it progress.

Will aircrafts alone feed empty stomachs?

Why India did not think of building the "right" engine for HF-24? Maybe people placed more emphasis on foreign trips than on building factories in India.
They tried and failed.

Even China which has great defence capabilities have failed to design an engine.

May read this:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/india/marut.htm

India is in FGFA project due to some advantage it offers IAF. I have put a question to you - how much of the R&D burden has India offered to take in FGFA project? The problem with HAL is that it never takes responsibility for R&D.
India wants everything on the plate.

That is why they are stupid when negotiating and give belay.
 
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Kurt Tank designed the The Focke-Wulf Fw 190 Würger.



It became the backbone of the Luftwaffe's Jagdwaffe
 

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the word "MAY" makes me a little skeptical.
 

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@Ray, FGFA is not cheap for India.

Anyway, this is what Defence Industry Daily says:

"1st Himalayas EW system handed over; Treat unconfirmed reports that India & Russia have settled their differences with caution.

Oct 21/14: Sub-contractors. Russia's Radio Electronic Technologies concern has provided the 1st batch of Himalayas internal ECM/ electronic warfare systems for the new jet.

The Himalayas EW system was developed by RET's Kaluga Scientific Research and Radio Technology Institute, and is manufactured at its Signal Radioplant in Stavropol. Sources: Defense World, "Russian T-50 Aircraft Gets Himalayas EW System".

Sept 15/14: Negotiation. The Russians and Indians are saying different things to Defense News. "A "Russian diplomat in India" tells them they they "have finally sorted out all sticky issues that have been holding back an agreement," adding that India's workshare was eventually expected to increase from 13-18% to 40%. India's MoD refused to confirm this, "especially those [issues] related to workshare between the two countries".

We've seen enough programs involving India to be skeptics, even when Indian officials will confirm such stories. The magazine's sources say that India and Russia will sign a final agreement on the program the end of 2014. Take that as the metric, and believe it when you see it. Sources: Defense News, "Indo-Russian Jet Program Finally Moves Forward".
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Any strategic project done with Russia means china will also get it. Which could
Mean Pakistan will also get in the future -rd-93 engine one example. Expect a lot
More delays and price hikes before pakfa arrives in IAF.
 
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Well 1st co-produce then offer to Chinese to get quick bucks.

Su 30mki futher evolved to Su 35 >>>> offered to China

PAK FA>>>> Offered to China

Kilo Subs >>> Offered Amur class to China

Firgates >>> On sale to Chinese again

Similarly many armoured vehicles ,Attack helicopters are on sale to chinese after screwing Indians and let Indian pay us through their nose.

Let make it Indian and keep it Indian.
Few more

Onyx china Brahmos india

S-300 both nations

Smerches both nations
 

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Few more

Onyx china Brahmos india

S-300 both nations

Smerches both nations
S300 not even sold to India,its just a hoax and rumours.
 

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