Russia Eyes Kamov Helicopter Assembly Plant in India

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Russia Eyes Kamov Helicopter Assembly Plant in India





Moscow suggests that New Delhi should consider a possibility of setting up a joint venture to assemble Russia's Kamov helicopters in India, Russia's deputy prime minister said Saturday.

"We have a serious proposal for India which refers not only to purchases of Russian helicopters. Russia as India's strategic partner proposes setting up a joint venture, including on India's territory," Dmitry Rogozin said.

Rogozin said the agreement was reached after talks between India's prime minister Manmohan Singh and President Vladimir Putin last month.

"We are ready to make such an proposal on the Kamov helicopters," he said.

India is now the world's largest arms importer and Russian-made military equipment makes up some 70 percent of India's arms purchases.


Russia Eyes Kamov Helicopter Assembly Plant in India | Russia | RIA Novosti
 

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Excellent news.

On the other hand, I think India needs to get Mil-17 and Mil-26 assembly lines from Russia. If we can produce these two domestically, we will, (1) save a lot of money in case of the former, and (2) spare ourselves the spare woes in case of the latter.
 

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Excellent news.

On the other hand, I think India needs to get Mil-17 and Mil-26 assembly lines from Russia. If we can produce these two domestically, we will, (1) save a lot of money in case of the former, and (2) spare ourselves the spare woes in case of the latter.
Mi-17 yeah,I agree. But Mi-26,I don't think so! All we operate is just 4 of 'em and no further orders. So in no way its economically feasible for us to have Mi-26 lines.
 

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Mi-17 yeah,I agree. But Mi-26,I don't think so! All we operate is just 4 of 'em and no further orders. So in no way its economically feasible for us to have Mi-26 lines.
It is true that we operate 4 (or is it 3 now?), but we need a lot of them. We have a spare problem, we needed heavy lifters, and we were forced to buy the Chinook, despite it falling short of our initial weight requirements. It will not be something that will be mass produced, but will certainly cost less than procuring directly from Russia. This is apart from having a local spare source.
 

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I was looking into this thread: http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...nt-russia-discuss-stealth-fighter-engine.html

As much as I hate to sound pessimistic, I have to speculate that:
  • The Russians will beg India for over a year for this Kamov project.
  • The Indians will drag their feet.
  • The media will make a "Breaking News" out of it linking it to corruption. (every news is "Breaking News," FYI)
  • The Chinese will negotiate hard, and walk away with the Kamov factory to PRC.
  • The Indians will witness yet another great benefit of living in a democracy.
 

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I was looking into this thread: http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...nt-russia-discuss-stealth-fighter-engine.html

As much as I hate to sound pessimistic, I have to speculate that:
  • The Russians will beg India for over a year for this Kamov project.
  • The Indians will drag their feet.
  • The media will make a "Breaking News" out of it linking it to corruption. (every news is "Breaking News," FYI)
  • The Chinese will negotiate hard, and walk away with the Kamov factory in PRC.
  • The Indians will witness yet another great benefit of living in a democracy.
Shitty politicians and shitty system of governance.
But hey at least we have freedoom and we can criticize on the internet and other greatly awesome things. That's what really counts. Much win, thank you.
 

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Shitty politicians and shitty system of governance.
But hey at least we have freedoom and we can criticize on the internet and other greatly awesome things. That's what really counts. Much win, thank you.
Indeed. We will keep criticizing the Chinese and point fingers at their human rights issue (being oblivious to the greater number of deaths in India due to riots and accidents) while they make rapid strides in their defence capabilities.

I like that word - freedoom. We are doomed with the kind of freedom we enjoy.
 

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Russia Eyes Kamov Helicopter Assembly Plant in India





Moscow suggests that New Delhi should consider a possibility of setting up a joint venture to assemble Russia's Kamov helicopters in India, Russia's deputy prime minister said Saturday.

"We have a serious proposal for India which refers not only to purchases of Russian helicopters. Russia as India's strategic partner proposes setting up a joint venture, including on India's territory," Dmitry Rogozin said.

Rogozin said the agreement was reached after talks between India's prime minister Manmohan Singh and President Vladimir Putin last month.

"We are ready to make such an proposal on the Kamov helicopters," he said.

India is now the world's largest arms importer and Russian-made military equipment makes up some 70 percent of India's arms purchases.


Russia Eyes Kamov Helicopter Assembly Plant in India | Russia | RIA Novosti
No thanks, we should instead focus on developing heavy, medium and light helicopters ourselves to create indigenous capabilities this means no licensed production :nono:
 
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It is not complete factory as some of us like to think, it is just assembly plant, means they will manufacture and then send here in knock down kits to be screw drive and put into helicopter.............. better make our own helicopters.
 

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Aren't our IAF BRD doing the same with Mi-17 helos?
true but our aim should be manufacturing and not assembly if we have to move with time. Russians will never want us to make anything they just want us to be dependent on them.
 

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Excellent news.

On the other hand, I think India needs to get Mil-17 and Mil-26 assembly lines from Russia. If we can produce these two domestically, we will, (1) save a lot of money in case of the former, and (2) spare ourselves the spare woes in case of the latter.
We have already chosen Chinook, what will do with mi26 production line when there are no orders from the armed forces?
 

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true but our aim should be manufacturing and not assembly if we have to move with time. Russians will never want us to make anything they just want us to be dependent on them.
Agreed, but this offer is not in context of Mi-17 or Mi-26 as perceived by some posters here (these are from Mil and not Kamov), but in the context of kamov Ka-226 'Sergei' which is pitched by Russians for our LOH/LUH competition.

This offer had been made earlier too.
 
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We have already chosen Chinook, what will do with mi26 production line when there are no orders from the armed forces?
We will master the art of manufacturing them and use them for lifting (15-to-20-ton capacity) what was originally required and which is beyond Chinook's lifting capability.
 

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Russia sucking India. It means we won't make our own and continue to depend on them. Very clever of Russia
 

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Kamov Ka-52 Hokum-B

Attack helicopter



The Kamov Ka-52 Alligator attack helicopter is a two-seat version of the Ka-50 Black Shark

The Kamov Ka-52 Alligator (NATO designation Hokum-B) is a two-seat version of the Ka-50. It is a multi-role all-weather attack helicopter, capable operating in daytime and at night. Development started in 1994 and the type was first flown in 1997. The Ka-52 has been ordered for Russian service, and it's small-scale series production commenced in 2008. However it is unlikely that the Hokum-B will be fielded in large numbers due to budget restrictions. By 2012 only 30 helicopters were delivered. This helicopter is also proposed for export customers.
The Ka-52 can be recognized from the Ka-50 by a wider nose and twin-seat cockpit. Seats are arranged side-by-side. This helicopter can be used as a trainer. Both pilots have full controls of the helicopter. Such arrangement also simplifies work during combat. The Ka-52 shares 85% of it's airframe, parts, components and systems with the Ka-50. Most of the changes were made to the cockpit.
The Kamov Ka-52 Alligator is fitted with uprated TV3-117VMA turboshaft engines. The Hokum-B has unique maneuverability, which was derived from it's two coaxial contra-rotating main rotors. It is among the most maneuverable helicopters in the world.
Armor of the Alligator withstands hits from 23-mm projectiles. Pilots are seated in ejection seats. It can also fly when one engine is disabled.
The Hokum-B has a battlefield management system. It can exchange data with with similar helicopters or other helicopter types, as well as third party sources. This helicopter is also intended as an aerial command post for a group of helicopters. It provides target detection and coordinates the attacks.
The Ka-52 retained all combat capabilities of it's predecessor. It is armed with a side-mounted 30-mm cannon. There are six external hardpoints for different combinations of weapons, including anti-tank missiles (Vikhr, Vikhr-M), air-to-air missiles (Igla-V), rocket pods, bombs. For anti-armor missions it is armed with up to 12 Vikhr ATGMs. These have a range of up to 8 000 m and penetrate 950 mm of armor.

Variants

Ka-52K proposed shipborne version. It is expected to be completed in 2014 for trials and evaluation.

Entered service 2008
Crew 2 men
Dimensions and weight
Length 13.53 m
Main rotor diameter 14.5 m
Height 4.95 m
Weight (empty) ~ 8 t
Weight (maximum take off) 10.8 t
Engines and performance
Engines 2 x TV3-117VMA turboshafts
Engine power 2 x 2 200 shp
Maximum speed 310 km/h
Service ceiling 5.5 km
Range (max payload) 520 km
Ferry range 1 200 km
Combat radius ?
Endurance 1 hour 40 minutes
Armament
Cannon 1 x 30-mm cannon (460 rounds)
Missiles 12 x Vikhr (AT-9 Spiral) anti-tank missiles / 4 x Igla-V air-to-air missiles
Other rocket pods or bombs

Kamov Ka-52 Hokum-B Attack Helicopter | Military-Today.com
 

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The issue is what type of helicopter is required and it should be manufactured in India, with or without ToT.

Who is ready to give it?

We have experience in helicopters of the observation and liaison type, thanks to our collaboration with the French company Aérospatiale.

The HAL Dhruv is a utility helicopter, designed with assistance from MBB (Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm) in Germany. Based on the Dhruv platform, the HAL Light Combat Helicopter (LCH) attack helicopter, and HAL Light Observation Helicopter (LOH) a utility and observation helicopter are being developed.

The HAL Rudra, earlier known as Dhruv-WSI (Weapons Systems Integrated), is an attack variant for the Indian Army. It is to be armed with both anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles, and a 20-mm turret-mounted cannon, capable of conducting combat air support (CAS) and anti-submarine warfare (ASW) roles as well.

In addition to the Dhruv-WSI, HAL is also developing the Light Combat Helicopter (LCH) based on the Dhruv for the Indian Armed Forces. It is fitted with stub wings for carrying up to eight anti-armour missiles, four air-to-air missiles, or four pods loaded with either 70mm or 68mm rockets. The LCH will also have FLIR (Forward Looking Infrared), a CCD (Charge Coupled Device) camera, and a target acquisition system with laser rangefinder and thermal vision.

The issue is when will they be available and when will the be declared operationally fit!

We have already our own attack helicopter.

Indian Army gets its first indigenously-made Rudra attack chopper



The first indigenously-developed weaponised helicopter 'Rudra' was on Friday handed over to the Army, which has successfully raised an attack chopper fleet on its own.

This is the first of the 60 armed helicopters provided to the Army by the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) after the Defence Ministry handed over the control of all attack helicopters to the land force.

"This is a very important system for us as it will be the first platform (of choppers) which is weaponised. In any battle, fire (power) and manoeuvrability should be closely integrated to support ground operations and provide immediate help if and when required.

"This (Rudra) will help us to get that capability," Army Deputy Chief Lt Gen Narendra Singh told reporters here.

"The first squadron of the helicopters would be operationalised soon. We will have 60 choppers and one squadron will have 10 of them," Army Aviation Corps' Maj Gen P.K. Bharali told PTI here.

He was talking on the sidelines of a function where HAL Chairman R.K. Tyagi officially handed over the chopper to the Army.

Bharali said a total of 60 Rudras would be inducted into the Army and the machines will be part of six squadrons. The chopper is armed with air-to-air missiles such as the 'Mistral', rocket pods and heavy machine guns to help the ground forces with close air support.

The Army is also planning to procure the under-development Light Combat Helicopter (LCH) being produced by the HAL.

Recently, after a long tussle between the Army and the Air Force, the Defence Ministry decided to give control of all the future acquisitions of attack choppers to the land force.

The Army has plans of having a squadron-each of weaponised choppers in each of the pivot corps and a full-fledged attack chopper squadron with each of the three Strike Corps.
Indian Army gets its first indigenously-made Rudra attack chopper | Deccan Chronicle
The issue is how good this Attack helicopters proves itself to be.
 

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The IAF already has a Mi-17 assembly plant. They are assembling Mi-17s even today.

Anyway, HAL is set to release a new RFP for a co-development partner for a medium lift helicopter. Mil was shortlisted in an earlier tender along with Eurocopter.

The forces changed requirements so there is a re-tender. So, Kamov must be getting jittery over losing a potential 400 helicopter contract.
 

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India is emerging as a big hub of helicopter making with nearly all kinds of helicopters being built within India. we must not fall for this trap from Russia. This is what they did in 1974 when they offered to assemble Mig-21s in India and we know what happened to domestic fighter industry after that. Taking russian offer will kill our own industrial research and production.
 

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