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Do you think the Russians are playing double game with India?


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thanks for your reply .... unfortunately i wouldnt agree ... take for example the nato countries , there is a certin higher level of trust among them ... take usa -britain , a very high level of trust.
Ok, look at the 2 examples you list above. There is one point in common: overwhelming power of US. This imbalance implies that they are working on some common interests.

In the case of Russia-India, you can call it trust. I would prefer calling it more specifictly: NOT WORRY. After all, india doesn't share thousands miles of border with russia. So, russia doesn't worry about india as much as its conscern of china.
 
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Well, the main question is not how much does russia trust dragon. Russia will never trust anyone, including india. And neither does any country. We are all in a great game.
russia doesnt...

after all , chinese are moving into russia's far east , and may one day become more than the dwindling russians in that area--to which china has an ancient claim .
 

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China-Russia ties at best point in history

China-Russia ties at best point in history
China-Russia ties at best point in history - People's Daily Online
By Li Hui (People's Daily)13:16, October 12, 2011 Edited and translated by People's Daily Online

Since the mechanism of a regular meeting between the premiers of China and Russia was established in 1996, it has been an important platform for guiding and coordinating practical cooperation in various areas between the two countries and has resulted in abundant achievements.

It also plays an important role in deepening the good-neighborly relationship and mutual-benefit cooperation between the two countries and promoting the sustainable development of the comprehensive strategic partnership between the two countries.

The 16th regular meeting, which is about to be held, will summarize the cooperation achievements made by the two countries in various areas since the 15th regular meeting. Furthermore, the meeting will implement the agreements reached during President Hu Jintao's visit in Russia in June 2011, make plans and arrangements for bilateral cooperation during the next stage, and promote practical cooperation in the areas of economy, trade, culture and others.

The year 2011 is the 10th year after the China-Russia Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation was signed, and it is also the 15th year after the China-Russia strategic partnership was established. In 2011, the strategic partnership was also upgraded into a comprehensive strategic partnership of equality, mutual trust, mutual support, common prosperity and long-term friendly relations. With the efforts of both sides, the current China-Russia relations are developing comprehensively, healthily, stably and rapidly and in the best stage of the history.

The exchange visits of senior officials between China and Russia are frequent, and the mutual political trust keeps strengthening. The high standards, perfect organizational structure and wide realms of the senior regular meetings and other exchange and communication mechanisms of various levels between China and Russia are unique in all of China's diplomatic relations and are also rarely seen in diplomatic relations between other big countries. Their effective operations provide stable guarantees of mechanism and organization for the health development of the China-Russia relations.

China and Russia are steadily expanding their pragmatic cooperation, and their large-scale cooperation projects in the key areas of energy, science and military technology are all well underway. The structure of China-Russia trade has gradually improved as their cooperation in investments and manufacturing is still gaining momentum, and the frontier and inter-regional cooperation is becoming a new growth engine for their bilateral trade. The trade volume between China and Russia reached nearly 60 billion U.S. dollars in 2010, which exceeded the pre-crisis level of 2008 and was more than six times that of 2000. Their bilateral trade volume amounted to nearly 35.9 billion U.S. dollars in the first half of 2011, up nearly 40 percent from a year earlier. Without any doubt, China has become Russia's largest trading partner.

The cultural cooperation and civil exchanges between China and Russia keep developing vigorously. China has successfully held the Year of Russia and Year of Russian Language, and Russia has held successfully held Year of China and Year of Chinese Language too. The cultural exchanges in various areas and at various levels between the two countries keep developing widely and deeply. The mutual understanding and friendship between the people of the two countries have further deepened, the concept of "being good neighbors for generations" has been widely accepted, and the social and public opinion foundation of the China-Russia relations has become much more solid.

The strategic cooperation between China and Russia has become closer. The two countries have joined forces to cope with new changes in the global situation, always cooperate with each other closely in the international stage and support each other firmly regarding the issues of core interests, such as the sovereign, security and development issues. The fundamental interests of both countries have been effectively safeguarded by the cooperation and the strategic mutual trust between the two countries keeps deepening.

The sound development of China-Russia relations has not only greatly promoted the common prosperity of the two countries and improved the well-being of the Chinese and Russian people but also boosted the multi-polarization of the world and the democratization of international relations as well as helped ensure a relatively peaceful, prosperous and harmonious world. They have set a good example for other major powers in developing relations with each other.

Regardless of changes in the international situation, China will adhere to the diplomatic principle of consolidating and developing its long-lasting friendship and comprehensive strategic cooperative partnership with Russia on the basis of equality, mutual trust and support and common prosperity. Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin will soon visit China and attend the 16th regular meeting between the two countries' prime ministers, which will greatly promote their bilateral cooperation in various fields and further boost the comprehensive strategic cooperative partnership between the two countries.
 

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Chinese president meets Russian PM on bilateral cooperation, strategic partnership
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Chinese President Hu Jintao (R) meets with Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, capital of China, Oct. 12, 2011. (Xinhua/Rao Aimin)



BEIJING, Oct. 12 (Xinhua) -- President Hu Jintao met Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin Wednesday in Beijing to exchange views on the development of the strategic relations of cooperation and partnership between China and Russia.

Hu welcomed Putin's visit, calling the Russian prime minister "an old friend of the Chinese people."

Hu categorized the 16th regular meeting between the two countries' prime ministers that Putin co-chaired with Premier Wen Jiabao on Tuesday as pragmatic and productive.

"I believe your visit will further promote the development of the China-Russia comprehensive strategic partnership of cooperation," Hu said.

Hu urged deepening mutual political and strategic trust and expanding communication and cooperation at the moment of the 10th anniversary of the signing of China- Russia Treaty of Good-Neighborliness, Friendship and Cooperation.

Echoing Hu's views, Putin said the Sino-Russia relations developed very smoothly.

Putin hailed the rapid growth of bilateral relations, noting that Hu's visit to Russia in June injected new momentum for the two nations to foster ties.

Putin told Hu that he reviewed the current cooperation between the two countries in various fields with Premier Wen during the regular meeting on Tuesday, and the two sides also proposed plans for future cooperation.

"Prior to the regular meeting, business representatives from our two nations had signed a series of cooperative agreements with a value of over seven billion U.S. dollars," Putin added.

Hu said China and Russia had eliminated the negative influence of the global financial crisis with both sides' joint efforts and called for extending the scale of cooperation and investment between China and Russia.

He also urged greater cooperation in energy, economy, and trade in order to have bilateral trade reach 100 billion U.S. dollars by 2015.

Putin confirmed the significant progress of the economy and trade cooperation between the two countries. He said Russia is willing to boost strategic cooperation in energy technology, aviation, and space exploration with China.

Putin also extended greetings from Russian President Dmitry Medvedev to Hu.

State Councilor Dai Bingguo, Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi, and Minister of Commerce Chen Deming also were present at the meeting.

As Wen's guest, Putin arrived in Beijing on Tuesday for a two-day official visit.
 

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China, Vietnam sign accord on resolving maritime issues

China, Vietnam sign accord on resolving maritime issues
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Chinese President Hu Jintao, who is also general secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China (CPC), and General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam Central Committee Nguyen Phu Trong attend the signing ceremony of documents on bilateral cooperation in Beijing, capital of China, Oct. 11, 2011. (Xinhua/Zhang Duo)



BEIJING, Oct. 12 (Xinhua) -- China and Vietnam on Tuesday signed an agreement on basic principles guiding the settlement of maritime issues existing between the two countries.

The six-point agreement is in accordance with the consensus reached by the leaders of China and Vietnam and is based on a 1993 agreement on basic principles for resolving territorial and border issues existing between the two countries, the agreement said.

The two countries should remain committed to friendly consultations in order to properly handle maritime issues and make the South China Sea a sea of peace, friendship and cooperation, the agreement said.

The agreement was signed by China's Vice Foreign Minister Zhang Zhijun and his Vietnamese counterpart Ho Xuan Son.

China and Vietnam should seek a basic and long-term approach that will be acceptable for both sides in solving maritime disputes on the basis of legislation and principles enshrined in international law, including the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea signed in 1982, the agreement said.

Both sides should fully respect legal principles, take history and other relevant issues into consideration and accommodate each other's concerns in a constructive manner, the agreement said.

In the process of negotiating maritime issues, both sides should abide by the agreements and consensus reached by the countries' senior leaders and implement the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (DOC), the agreement said.

Both sides should solve maritime disputes through negotiations and friendly consultations, and the two countries should consult with other countries if they are also involved in the disputes, the agreement said.

While seeking a basic and long-term approach to resolve maritime issues, both sides should explore interim and temporary solutions, including research and negotiations on the joint development of the sea, without impacting each side's stance and position, the agreement said.

Both sides should seek steady progress in negotiations regarding the maritime demarcation of the baymouth of Beibu Gulf and discuss the joint development of the sea area, the agreement said.

Both sides should promote maritime cooperation in less sensitive fields, including marine environmental protection, scientific research, search and rescue, disaster reduction and prevention, the agreement said.

Heads of the border negotiation delegations of both countries should hold regular meetings twice a year, which will rotate between both countries, the agreement said, adding that special meetings will take place if necessary.

Both sides agreed to set up a hotline contact mechanism in order to allow them to promptly communicate and properly deal with maritime issues, the agreement said.
 

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China Foreign Relations

China, Namibia vow to further strengthen bilateral military ties

China Military Online English Edition
(Source: Xinhua) 2011-10-11


  BEIJING, Oct. 10 (Xinhua) -- Senior Chinese and Namibian military officials met on Monday afternoon and vowed to further promote bilateral military ties.

  The pledge came during a meeting between Vice Chairman of China's Central Military Commission Xu Caihou and visiting Namibian Defense Minister Charles Ndaxu Namoloh.

  Xu said China and Namibia have become "all-weather" friends since two countries forged diplomatic ties in 1990. Both sides have also made frequent high-level visits and boosted bilateral political trust, he said.

  "China will work with Namibia to boost the friendship created by the former leaders of two countries and enhance bilateral military relations," Xu said.

  Namoloh voiced his appreciation for China's assistance to Namibia's citizens and military. He said Namibia is willing to enhance its cooperation with China in peacekeeping operations and armed forces training.

  Xu and Namoloh also exchanged views on international and regional issues.

  Before the meeting, Defense Minister Liang Guanglie also held talks with Namoloh, where the two sides exchanged views on further advancing bilateral defense cooperation
 

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China, Montenegro agree to strengthen military ties

China, Montenegro agree to strengthen military ties

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(Source: Xinhua) 2011-10-12


  BEIJING, Oct. 11 (Xinhua) -- China will strengthen military ties with Montenegro and promote relations between both countries' militaries, Vice Chairman of China's Central Military Commission Guo Boxiong said on Tuesday.

  During a meeting with Boro Vucinic, Montenegro's defense minister, Guo said bilateral relations have reached a new level since the two countries established diplomatic relations in 2006.

  "Both countries have deepened their mutual political trust and supported each other on issues of mutual concern. We have also seen expanded pragmatic cooperation," Guo said.

  "China is willing to further promote military-to-military relations under the principle of equality and mutual benefit," Guo added.

  Vucinic said developing relations with China is a priority for Montenegro's foreign policy. He reiterated that Montenegro will stick to the one-China policy.
 

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China should buy US companies with forex reserves By Jiang Yong

China should buy US companies with forex reserves By Jiang Yong
China should buy US companies with forex reserves - People's Daily Online
(Global Times)16:09, October 12, 2011 Edited and Translated by People's Daily Online

China is falling deeper and deeper into a "dollar trap" after a series of misjudgments in its foreign exchange policy and the policy toward the U.S. economy. For example, the country wrongly believed that the United States had the ability and willingness to maintain a strong dollar, seriously underestimated the value of gold and predicted a gold bubble when gold prices just reached between 500 U.S. dollars and 600 U.S. dollars per ounce. Furthermore, it often fell for the lies of U.S. liberal scholars, financiers and politicians.

Among all of China's strategic misjudgments, the most serious one may be its decision to "ride in the same boat" with the United States. However, the same boat that carries China and the United States could be Noah's Ark or the Titanic. The United Kingdom, Soviet Union and Japan, which used to be among the world's most powerful countries and in the same boat with the United States, had all paid a heavy price for their misjudgments, as manifested in the fall of the United Kingdom, the collapse of the Soviet Union, and Japan's 20 years of stagnation.

The value of the U.S.-dollar-denominated assets held by Japan diminished by 40 percent after the country was forced to sign the Plaza Agreement. If China continues to tolerate the debt defaults of the two-faced United States, it is highly likely that the value of its dollar holdings will diminish by more than 60 percent.

To ask the United States to protect China's dollar assets is like asking a tiger for its skin. The United States has grown used to making generous promises to service its debt to China. "The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that," former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said in a statement. It may sound shameless, but he was telling the truth. It would be foolish and naive of China to rely on the oral guarantee of the United States for the safety of its assets.

For the foreign exchange reserves of a country, the most important thing is the security but not the profitability. China has made another policy misjudgment in this area.

Essentially, it is not safe at all for China to put its money in the hands of the United States. For many years, as long as Western countries wished, they could always find an excuse at any time to freeze or even take away other countries' foreign exchange assets in their hands. Libya is the latest example. China should not only stop buying but also start dumping the U.S. Treasury securities and dollars on a large scale. It is an inevitable option for China to safeguard its foreign exchange reserves.

China kept buying U.S. dollars in recent years, and a seemingly adequate reason is that China cannot reduce them, because there is a dangerous balance of financial terror between China and the United States, and China has no choice. In fact, as long as China discards the interests of special organizations, groups and individuals, regards the interests of the country and all the people as the priority and re-examines its strategies and policies towards the United States, it will be able to find good solutions for its foreign exchange reserves.

After the sub-prime crisis occurred, the U.S. government started to hold huge amounts of stocks of U.S. enterprises. Therefore, China could ask for debt-to-equity swap, exchange its U.S. Treasury securities for stocks held by the U.S. government and then further exchange them for the preference stocks of the top 500 U.S. enterprises, such as Boeing and Microsoft.

Within the United States, a lot of infrastructure is old and worn out, and public transportation is insufficient. Therefore, China may exchange its U.S. Treasury securities for the investment stocks in this infrastructure too. Of course, the United States has been pursuing the absolute security of its national soil for a long time and probably will not agree China's proposal of debt-to-equity easily. However, the point is that China should not pin its security on the United States just like China should not pin its interests on the United States.

Michael Hudson, president of the Institute for the Study of Long-term Economic Trends, once advised to "use the dollars in hand to purchase American companies in China." Such operations could be regarded as a reasonable extension, since China is "transposing" the dollar bonds it held for the enterprise rescuing stocks that American government held.

Relevant experts were all confounded: "Is this not nationalization?" Yes, but what is so bad about "nationalization" in comparison with the Americanization, bubbles and dilution of our own assets? Did all those countries that propagate "free economy," like the United Kingdom and the United States, not take actions and implement nationalization when facing economic crises?

Of course, if "nationalization" is so dreadful after all, we could also choose to allow private enterprises to indirectly "purchase" the stocks of American and other Western countries' companies, i.e. "ethnical-ization." And then, China-capital private enterprises can deliver RMB funds to our country by means of profit repatriation, etc. In this way, the "salt water" of foreign exchange dollars can be transformed into the "fresh water" of RMB funds, which can be used to solve deficit problems, such as with old-age pension, social insurance, etc.

At present, the "compound interests" of the investments made by foreign-owned enterprises in China aggregate to around 3 trillion dollars. If transposed into stocks of 1 trillion to 1.5 trillion U.S. dollars, these can significantly reduce the risks of shrinking foreign exchange reserves and the prospect of foreign capital fleeing from China on a large scale. In this way, we can effectively guard against the risk of foreign exchange reserves being diluted by American, and we can greatly improve the business environment of China-capital enterprises and strengthen national economy and security.
 

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The problem is the US did not allow and will not allow the Chinese a stake in their companies
 

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China should buy US companies with forex reserves By Jiang Yong
China should buy US companies with forex reserves - People's Daily Online
(Global Times)16:09, October 12, 2011 Edited and Translated by People's Daily Online

China is falling deeper and deeper into a "dollar trap" after a series of misjudgments in its foreign exchange policy and the policy toward the U.S. economy. For example, the country wrongly believed that the United States had the ability and willingness to maintain a strong dollar, seriously underestimated the value of gold and predicted a gold bubble when gold prices just reached between 500 U.S. dollars and 600 U.S. dollars per ounce. Furthermore, it often fell for the lies of U.S. liberal scholars, financiers and politicians.

Among all of China's strategic misjudgments, the most serious one may be its decision to "ride in the same boat" with the United States. However, the same boat that carries China and the United States could be Noah's Ark or the Titanic. The United Kingdom, Soviet Union and Japan, which used to be among the world's most powerful countries and in the same boat with the United States, had all paid a heavy price for their misjudgments, as manifested in the fall of the United Kingdom, the collapse of the Soviet Union, and Japan's 20 years of stagnation.

The value of the U.S.-dollar-denominated assets held by Japan diminished by 40 percent after the country was forced to sign the Plaza Agreement. If China continues to tolerate the debt defaults of the two-faced United States, it is highly likely that the value of its dollar holdings will diminish by more than 60 percent.

To ask the United States to protect China's dollar assets is like asking a tiger for its skin. The United States has grown used to making generous promises to service its debt to China. "The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that," former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said in a statement. It may sound shameless, but he was telling the truth. It would be foolish and naive of China to rely on the oral guarantee of the United States for the safety of its assets.

For the foreign exchange reserves of a country, the most important thing is the security but not the profitability. China has made another policy misjudgment in this area.

Essentially, it is not safe at all for China to put its money in the hands of the United States. For many years, as long as Western countries wished, they could always find an excuse at any time to freeze or even take away other countries' foreign exchange assets in their hands. Libya is the latest example. China should not only stop buying but also start dumping the U.S. Treasury securities and dollars on a large scale. It is an inevitable option for China to safeguard its foreign exchange reserves.

China kept buying U.S. dollars in recent years, and a seemingly adequate reason is that China cannot reduce them, because there is a dangerous balance of financial terror between China and the United States, and China has no choice. In fact, as long as China discards the interests of special organizations, groups and individuals, regards the interests of the country and all the people as the priority and re-examines its strategies and policies towards the United States, it will be able to find good solutions for its foreign exchange reserves.

After the sub-prime crisis occurred, the U.S. government started to hold huge amounts of stocks of U.S. enterprises. Therefore, China could ask for debt-to-equity swap, exchange its U.S. Treasury securities for stocks held by the U.S. government and then further exchange them for the preference stocks of the top 500 U.S. enterprises, such as Boeing and Microsoft.

Within the United States, a lot of infrastructure is old and worn out, and public transportation is insufficient. Therefore, China may exchange its U.S. Treasury securities for the investment stocks in this infrastructure too. Of course, the United States has been pursuing the absolute security of its national soil for a long time and probably will not agree China's proposal of debt-to-equity easily. However, the point is that China should not pin its security on the United States just like China should not pin its interests on the United States.

Michael Hudson, president of the Institute for the Study of Long-term Economic Trends, once advised to "use the dollars in hand to purchase American companies in China." Such operations could be regarded as a reasonable extension, since China is "transposing" the dollar bonds it held for the enterprise rescuing stocks that American government held.

Relevant experts were all confounded: "Is this not nationalization?" Yes, but what is so bad about "nationalization" in comparison with the Americanization, bubbles and dilution of our own assets? Did all those countries that propagate "free economy," like the United Kingdom and the United States, not take actions and implement nationalization when facing economic crises?

Of course, if "nationalization" is so dreadful after all, we could also choose to allow private enterprises to indirectly "purchase" the stocks of American and other Western countries' companies, i.e. "ethnical-ization." And then, China-capital private enterprises can deliver RMB funds to our country by means of profit repatriation, etc. In this way, the "salt water" of foreign exchange dollars can be transformed into the "fresh water" of RMB funds, which can be used to solve deficit problems, such as with old-age pension, social insurance, etc.

At present, the "compound interests" of the investments made by foreign-owned enterprises in China aggregate to around 3 trillion dollars. If transposed into stocks of 1 trillion to 1.5 trillion U.S. dollars, these can significantly reduce the risks of shrinking foreign exchange reserves and the prospect of foreign capital fleeing from China on a large scale. In this way, we can effectively guard against the risk of foreign exchange reserves being diluted by American, and we can greatly improve the business environment of China-capital enterprises and strengthen national economy and security.
LOL! This is the funniest thing I would have ever heard
 

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Russian-China gas deal near, boosting relations: Putin

Russian-China gas deal near, boosting relations: Putin - People's Daily Online

(Shanghai Daily)07:55, October 12, 2011


Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao (right) shakes hands with Russia's Prime Minister Vladimir Putin during a signing ceremony at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing yesterday. The two countries signed nine agreements covering areas such as agriculture, tourism and the economy. In one pact, Russian state bank VEB and the China Development Bank signed a deal for the Chinese bank to invest US$1.5 billion in building the first stage of UC RUSAL's 750,000-ton Taishet aluminium smelter.(Shanghai Daily Photo)

Russia said yesterday it was nearing the final stage of a huge gas export deal with China, in what would be a landmark trade agreement between the giant neighbors.

A deal to supply the world's second-biggest economy with up to 68 billion cubic meters of Russian gas a year over 30 years has long been delayed over pricing disagreements.

"We are nearing the final stage of work on gas supplies," Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin told reporters in Beijing after talks with Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao.

He also said that Russia and China are working on new energy transportation routes.

"Russia began to supply oil to China through the Skovorodino-Daqing oil pipeline on January 1 this year," Putin said.

The nearly 1,000-kilometer China-Russia crude oil pipeline originates in the town of Skovorodino in east Russia's Amur region and ends at Daqing in northeast China. The pipeline should supply 15 million metric tons of oil annually.

Putin is hoping his two-day visit - his first trip abroad since revealing last month that he plans to reclaim Russia's presidency - will broaden trade with China, which he expects to grow to US$200 billion in 2020 from US$59.3 billion last year.

"Our goal is to diversify our economic ties," Putin told reporters. "I think that everyone will agree that compared with the known difficulties in the global economy, this aspect of the Russian-Chinese relationship (growing trade) has a stabilizing impact."

An agreement on Russia's gas deliveries to China would boost Moscow's efforts to reduce its export dependency on the European market. But Moscow and Beijing have haggled for five years over the commercial settings for the deal.

Russia aims to supply China with 68 billion cubic meters (bcm) of gas - compared with up to 155 bcm it will supply Europe this year - starting in 2015, but differences over pricing have been a major stumbling block after an outline agreement was announced back 2006.

Earlier, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Igor Sechin said there had been "significant" progress in the gas talks with Chinese Vice Premier Wang Qishan yesterday.

"We have agreed that within the next two weeks we will outline a road map which will include a demand analysis, sources of supplies, the place of Gazprom in the structure of supplies," he told reporters, referring to the Russian company set to supply the gas.

Before his talks with Wen in the Great Hall of People, Putin said: "Our talks are taking place in a business-like atmosphere, with the mutual desire to find compromise on difficult questions which inevitably arise given the sheer volume of our relationship."

"Those who sell always want to sell at a higher price, while those who buy want to buy at a lower price. We need to reach a compromise which will satisfy both sides," Putin added in remarks made at the start of his talks with Wen that reporters were allowed to see.

The two leaders witnessed a signing ceremony for nine agreements covering areas such as agriculture, tourism and the economy.

Russian state bank VEB and the China Development Bank signed a deal for the Chinese bank to invest US$1.5 billion in building the first stage of UC RUSAL's 750,000-ton Taishet aluminium smelter.

As well, the China Investment Corp agreed to invest US$1 billion in a joint Russia-China Investment Fund set up in partnership with a Russian state-backed vehicle to promote direct investment.

Putin said Russia will strengthen nuclear energy cooperation with China after the two nations' success with the Tianwan nuclear plant in east China's Jiangsu Province.

"Russia will introduce the most advanced technology in the world and minimize any possible risks," Putin said.

Today Putin will meet Chinese President Hu Jintao.
 

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US reporter talks West's anti-China campaign

US reporter talks West's anti-China campaign

US reporter talks West's anti-China campaign - People's Daily Online
(People's Daily Online)13:58, October 12, 2011 People's Daily Online conducted an interview with U.S. journalist Andre Vitchek, who recently wrote "The West Perfecting Its Techniques to Hurt China", in which he criticized the role the Western press plays in bashing China. Below is the interview:

PD Online: How long does it take to gather the necessary materials for the article? Why did you write this article? What is the article trying to tell the readers?

Vitchek: Writing such article is an ongoing process. And it is logically deducted from my experience; from working and living on all continents – North and South America, Oceania, Asia, Africa and Europe. The purpose of the article was to warn, to alert readers about the forces of Western propaganda, to show how it works and what are its goals.

PD Online: What kind of response have you received after the article was published? Are you worried about might be called "sinophile"?

Vitchek:They can call me whatever they want. I am not afraid to be called 'sinophile'. I spend most of my life in Asia and that's where I feel most comfortable.

The article did evoke wide range of comments, but most of them positive. Although I have to admit that I was called names, too. The same after my open letter to Fidel Castro appeared on line.

PD Online: You said in the article that "anti-China has become the access to research loans or ways to climb up in the press field." On what bases did you say that?

Vitchek:I would rather not name the names. But look at the days of the Cold War; many people were suddenly specializing in the Soviet Union, studying Russian, etc. In retrospect we see that they were not in it for pure love for Russian literature or music – they were in it for certain reasons that we now all understand. Western academia and the media were not truly independent for decades. There is always political game behind. For example, look at the West and Indonesia: no matter what happens, after 1965 pro-western coup and genocide, Indonesia received mostly positive reviews from the press and academics in the West, because the regime there opened up fully to the western political and business interests. More the resources were plundered, more impoverished were Indonesian people; more the country has been glorified and called 'democratic' and 'tolerant'.

The press and academia in the West are very disciplined. When it comes to our 'allies' – Thailand and Philippines and Indonesia, there is very little noise and criticism of appalling human rights violations there. When it comes to China or Venezuela, Cuba or Bolivia, the criticism is part of the daily diet in the newspapers, magazines, television, and universities. Reporters are expected to produce articles directly critical of China, or attacking Chinese foreign policy in the region and all over the world.

To put it simply: in Africa, journalists are periodically 'trained' by the UK or US media, schools, institutions. They fly journalists abroad (tremendous perk), or they give them grants and other type of funding. It is certain type of corruption, of course. In Africa reporter often makes lesser than 100 dollars a month. Who could refuse nice trip to London or New York, all expenses paid, in exchange for writing few damning anti-Chinese reports. It happens every day – in Kenya and Zambia, in Uganda and even in South Africa, which is China's ally!

The same applies in Southeast Asia. In Malaysia for instance, you can't say anything against Dalai Lama, even if you are talking to so-called 'progressive intellectuals', and especially if you talk to the NGO's or to young artists and intellectuals. It would mean the end of funding. You see, most of Southeast Asian NGO's are like massage chair – you put money in and it moves for 10 minutes. Money run out and it stops. And the money comes mainly from the West. Artists are pampered by funding and by grants, as long as they do not deal with social issues, don't attack the Western policy in the region, and do not support China. And what could be greater sin than to trash Dalai Lama, darling of the West! Of course, many intellectuals and media people here are not paid directly to attack China. There is certain understanding between the donors and recipients. Donors know that recipients understand what is expected from them, what they should and should not do or write. It is very difficult to explain. I just finished writing a novella/short novel – called 'Aurora' – dealing with this very issue. Hope it will be translated to Chinese one day – it deals with this topic in detail.


PD Online: As far as you can see, how much has the ordinary western people been influenced by the media's negative reporting about China? How do they generally think about China?

Vitchek:A lot! And that's the problem. They are influenced much more than people in China could even imagine. In a way, it is all very sad. I met Chinese people – simple workers – building government buildings in Samoa or roads in Kenya. Many of them are so simple, good and defenseless! They come and they think that they could win hearts of the peoples in far away lands by doing good things – like improving infrastructure, building schools, hospitals. And they do win hearts, but just for a while. After short period of time, the press kicks in, basically reprinting Western propaganda and perverting, turning up side down everything good that China is doing.

It breaks my heart and makes me so angry. I saw it all over Oceania. I suggest reading my non-fiction book "Oceania" (http://www.amazon.com/Oceania-André-Vltchek/dp/1409298035). It would be good to have it in Chinese, too, as it is addressing Western neo-colonist strategy in Oceania and touches the issue we are discussing right now. There, the influence and propaganda of the West is so obvious. For instance: once there was this big anti-government demonstration in Apia, the capital of Samoa. It happened when Samoan government decided to switch driving from the right side of the road to the left. Suddenly, I saw 4 men holding huge poster: "China, You Will Not Make Us Drive On The Left!" I went to the protestors and asked them who paid them to carry the poster. "Do you know that in China people drive on the same side as in your country?" I asked. They were mad and began screaming that "China is dictatorship and evil country and that they drive on the left and now they want to force Samoa to be like them." Even after the big demonstration was over, these for people kept walking around the capital city with the poster. Of course they didn't invent this"¦

In Africa – China does so much good. But forget about reading about its fight against malaria or about archeological excavations or building schools. What you will read is that 'China needs natural resources' and is willing to cooperate with African dictatorships. Or you will read about Chinese people shooting African miners in Zambia. You know, the West was plundering, enslaving, and committing genocides. It exterminated entire cultures and tribes like Herero in Namibia. It killed some 6 million people in Congo during King Leopold II of Belgium. Rights now, between 6 and 10 million died in Congo alone, as the most horrible civil war is being fought on behave of Western economic interests! But there is one incident in Zambia and China becomes as guilty as the West! As guilty as the West that was building concentration camps in Africa, trading with slaves, overthrowing governments. It is absurd! But it works. The West had been perfecting art of propaganda for centuries.

PD Online: In recent years, China has proposed the concept of "harmonious world" and "peaceful development". What is the western view towards that concept? Do you think the western attitude towards China has got more positive these years?

Vitchek:Definitely not! One thing that is necessary to understand is that the West is not acting rationally, or from good will. Just look at the past centuries: the only interest the West had was to plunder natural resources and control the world. Anybody who looks at the world map from the beginning of the 20th century would see the point. Harmonious world is the biggest danger to the Empire, to Western economic and geo-political inserts that are intertwined. Because 'harmonious world' would mean that each and every country has right for self-determination, for its own way"¦ right to put interests of its own people first. And that is exactly the opposite what the West wants to achieve. Gustav Jung, one of the greatest European psychologists, argued after the WWII that western desire to control and to plunder is pathological and has no equivalent in the world.

'Harmonious world' would mean the end of plunder and Western control. That's why it is the biggest danger, something that is being discredited day and night, 24/7! It would mean no more invasions to Iraq and Afghanistan, no more Libyan adventures, no more attempts to overrun Syria. No coups and 'structural adjustments' forced down the throats of the people all over the world. It would mean respect and tolerance, something inacceptable to the rulers in Washington, London and Paris.

Please understand: China is the only country – the only real power in the world that stands between full control of the global Western political and economic dictatorship and the rest of the world. Of course there is Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, but these are relatively small countries. There is Brazil and South Africa but they could be sidelined. There is Russia, but it is not as determined or as inspiring and its system is hard to define. So China is in a way the only hope. And that's why it is so hated, that's why it is constantly attacked! More good it does, attacks will intensify.
 

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China calls for firm opposition to U.S. legislation scapegoating yuan policy

China calls for firm opposition to U.S. legislation scapegoating yuan policy

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China calls for firm opposition to U.S. legislation scapegoating yuan policy

BEIJING, Oct. 12 (Xinhua) -- China on Wednesday reiterated its firm opposition to a bill passed by the U.S. Senate targeting China's yuan policy, saying the move may trigger trade wars and hinder global economic recovery.

"China calls on the U.S. government, its congress and various communities to oppose the pressure put on the RMB exchange rate by domestic legislation and to tackle trade protectionism," Foreign Ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu said in a written statement on the ministry's website.

The remarks were made in response to the U.S. Senate's passing of the Currency Exchange Rate Oversight Reform Act on Tuesday. The bill is especially directed at China's currency, claiming China holds down the value of yuan to benefit its exports.

The bill comes ahead of the U.S. 2012 elections and at a time when the United States is suffering sluggish growth and persistent high unemployment, which have driven thousands of protesters to the streets of New York and dozens of other cities.

With the stated goals of reducing the trade imbalance between the two countries and creating more domestic jobs, the bill would make it easier for the U.S. government to designate China as a "currency manipulator" and slap retaliatory tariffs on goods imported from China.

But it is doubtful whether the bill will become a law, as it would have to clear the House of Representatives and then be signed by President Barack Obama before becoming law. Both Obama and House Speaker John Boehner have expressed reservations regarding the legislation.

According to Ma, the U.S. Senate bill is essentially practicing trade protectionism by making an accusation of currency manipulation, which is a serious violation of the rules of the World Trade Organization.

The Ministry of Commerce and the People's Bank of China, or the central bank, also joined the condemnation Wednesday, noting that the bill will severely impair Sino-U.S. trade ties and damage the global economy.

The move has seriously violated international regulations and sent the wrong signal in escalating trade protectionism, said Shen Danyang, spokesman of the commerce ministry.

The central bank reaffirmed that China's reform of yuan exchange rate formation mechanism has achieved pronounced progress in recent years and the yuan's value is approaching a reasonable and balance level.

China will continue "reform of the exchange rate formation mechanism and increase the flexibility of the yuan exchange rate," it added.

SCAPEGOAT

U.S. lawmakers have, for years, pressured China for a rapid appreciation of its yuan, as they argued China is creating a trade imbalance and stealing jobs of American people by undervaluing its yuan to make its exports cheaper.

China has repeatedly explained that the nation is not seeking a trade surplus, and the yuan policy is not the cause of Sino-U.S. trade gap, and letting the yuan rise is not a solution to the imbalance.

The government has been committed to gradual currency reform. Official data showed that China's yuan has appreciated more than 30 percent against the dollar since 2005 when a dollar peg was scrapped.

During the same period, the unemployment rate in the U.S. rose from 7 percent to 9 percent. The trade deficit of the country declined to 363 billion U.S. dollars in 2009 from 655 billion U.S. dollars in 2007, while 6 million more Americans were unemployed.

However, the repetitive statements and hard facts failed to silence criticism from the U.S. lawmakers.

U.S. politicians "attributed sluggish domestic economy and lingering high unemployment to trade imbalance and then linked the problem to China's exchange rate in hope of easing domestic tension and improving its economy," said He Weiwen, director at the Study Center for China-U.S./E.U. of China Association of International Trade.

"It is just a trick that U.S. politicians currently play over and over again," he said.

Since the outbreak of the 2008 crisis, Washington has carried out a massive bailout and two rounds of quantitative easing (QE) policies to shore up its economy. But still the banks are reluctant to lend money and employers are unwilling to create jobs. Moreover, the pile-up of debt has ignited risks of default.

"The bill is not a solution to the trade imbalance and high unemployment rate; on the contrary, it will jeopardize economic interests for both side," said Zhang Yansheng, director of the Research Institute of Foreign Economic Relations of the National Development and Reform Commission, China's top economic planning agency.

DANGER

Chinese experts believe pressuring China for a large appreciation in the yuan and imposing tariffs by the U.S. will probably cause wars in the sectors of exchange rate and trade, which may dent China's exports and in turn slow the country's economic growth and even the global recovery.

"Currently economies in the U.S. and Europe are faltering and need emerging nations like China to create demand to help them through the difficulties," Zhang said.

If China's economy has problems, their economic recovery will be dampened and the world economy will retreat into a bigger recession, he said.

Zhang Ming, international finance researcher of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, said the global economy is standing at a crucial stage of recovery where collaboration to maintain the stability of international monetary and trade environment is needed.

Any move to stifle the development of other countries will make world depression repeat itself, he added.

Shen Danyang said China believes the two countries should promote bilateral trade cooperation through dialogue and positive measures. China is not willing to see Sino-U.S. trade relations be severely hurt after the bill becomes law.
 

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US reporter talks West's anti-China campaign

US reporter talks West's anti-China campaign

US reporter talks West's anti-China campaign - People's Daily Online

(People's Daily Online)13:58, October 12, 2011 People's Daily Online conducted an interview with U.S. journalist Andre Vitchek, who recently wrote "The West Perfecting Its Techniques to Hurt China", in which he criticized the role the Western press plays in bashing China. Below is the interview:

PD Online: How long does it take to gather the necessary materials for the article? Why did you write this article? What is the article trying to tell the readers?

Vitchek: Writing such article is an ongoing process. And it is logically deducted from my experience; from working and living on all continents – North and South America, Oceania, Asia, Africa and Europe. The purpose of the article was to warn, to alert readers about the forces of Western propaganda, to show how it works and what are its goals.

PD Online: What kind of response have you received after the article was published? Are you worried about might be called "sinophile"?

Vitchek:They can call me whatever they want. I am not afraid to be called 'sinophile'. I spend most of my life in Asia and that's where I feel most comfortable.

The article did evoke wide range of comments, but most of them positive. Although I have to admit that I was called names, too. The same after my open letter to Fidel Castro appeared on line.

PD Online: You said in the article that "anti-China has become the access to research loans or ways to climb up in the press field." On what bases did you say that?

Vitchek:I would rather not name the names. But look at the days of the Cold War; many people were suddenly specializing in the Soviet Union, studying Russian, etc. In retrospect we see that they were not in it for pure love for Russian literature or music – they were in it for certain reasons that we now all understand. Western academia and the media were not truly independent for decades. There is always political game behind. For example, look at the West and Indonesia: no matter what happens, after 1965 pro-western coup and genocide, Indonesia received mostly positive reviews from the press and academics in the West, because the regime there opened up fully to the western political and business interests. More the resources were plundered, more impoverished were Indonesian people; more the country has been glorified and called 'democratic' and 'tolerant'.

The press and academia in the West are very disciplined. When it comes to our 'allies' – Thailand and Philippines and Indonesia, there is very little noise and criticism of appalling human rights violations there. When it comes to China or Venezuela, Cuba or Bolivia, the criticism is part of the daily diet in the newspapers, magazines, television, and universities. Reporters are expected to produce articles directly critical of China, or attacking Chinese foreign policy in the region and all over the world.

To put it simply: in Africa, journalists are periodically 'trained' by the UK or US media, schools, institutions. They fly journalists abroad (tremendous perk), or they give them grants and other type of funding. It is certain type of corruption, of course. In Africa reporter often makes lesser than 100 dollars a month. Who could refuse nice trip to London or New York, all expenses paid, in exchange for writing few damning anti-Chinese reports. It happens every day – in Kenya and Zambia, in Uganda and even in South Africa, which is China's ally!

The same applies in Southeast Asia. In Malaysia for instance, you can't say anything against Dalai Lama, even if you are talking to so-called 'progressive intellectuals', and especially if you talk to the NGO's or to young artists and intellectuals. It would mean the end of funding. You see, most of Southeast Asian NGO's are like massage chair – you put money in and it moves for 10 minutes. Money run out and it stops. And the money comes mainly from the West. Artists are pampered by funding and by grants, as long as they do not deal with social issues, don't attack the Western policy in the region, and do not support China. And what could be greater sin than to trash Dalai Lama, darling of the West! Of course, many intellectuals and media people here are not paid directly to attack China. There is certain understanding between the donors and recipients. Donors know that recipients understand what is expected from them, what they should and should not do or write. It is very difficult to explain. I just finished writing a novella/short novel – called 'Aurora' – dealing with this very issue. Hope it will be translated to Chinese one day – it deals with this topic in detail.


PD Online: As far as you can see, how much has the ordinary western people been influenced by the media's negative reporting about China? How do they generally think about China?

Vitchek:A lot! And that's the problem. They are influenced much more than people in China could even imagine. In a way, it is all very sad. I met Chinese people – simple workers – building government buildings in Samoa or roads in Kenya. Many of them are so simple, good and defenseless! They come and they think that they could win hearts of the peoples in far away lands by doing good things – like improving infrastructure, building schools, hospitals. And they do win hearts, but just for a while. After short period of time, the press kicks in, basically reprinting Western propaganda and perverting, turning up side down everything good that China is doing.

It breaks my heart and makes me so angry. I saw it all over Oceania. I suggest reading my non-fiction book "Oceania" (http://www.amazon.com/Oceania-André-Vltchek/dp/1409298035). It would be good to have it in Chinese, too, as it is addressing Western neo-colonist strategy in Oceania and touches the issue we are discussing right now. There, the influence and propaganda of the West is so obvious. For instance: once there was this big anti-government demonstration in Apia, the capital of Samoa. It happened when Samoan government decided to switch driving from the right side of the road to the left. Suddenly, I saw 4 men holding huge poster: "China, You Will Not Make Us Drive On The Left!" I went to the protestors and asked them who paid them to carry the poster. "Do you know that in China people drive on the same side as in your country?" I asked. They were mad and began screaming that "China is dictatorship and evil country and that they drive on the left and now they want to force Samoa to be like them." Even after the big demonstration was over, these for people kept walking around the capital city with the poster. Of course they didn't invent this"¦

In Africa – China does so much good. But forget about reading about its fight against malaria or about archeological excavations or building schools. What you will read is that 'China needs natural resources' and is willing to cooperate with African dictatorships. Or you will read about Chinese people shooting African miners in Zambia. You know, the West was plundering, enslaving, and committing genocides. It exterminated entire cultures and tribes like Herero in Namibia. It killed some 6 million people in Congo during King Leopold II of Belgium. Rights now, between 6 and 10 million died in Congo alone, as the most horrible civil war is being fought on behave of Western economic interests! But there is one incident in Zambia and China becomes as guilty as the West! As guilty as the West that was building concentration camps in Africa, trading with slaves, overthrowing governments. It is absurd! But it works. The West had been perfecting art of propaganda for centuries.

PD Online: In recent years, China has proposed the concept of "harmonious world" and "peaceful development". What is the western view towards that concept? Do you think the western attitude towards China has got more positive these years?

Vitchek: Definitely not ,One thing that is necessary to understand is that the West is not acting rationally, or from good will. Just look at the past centuries: the only interest the West had was to plunder natural resources and control the world. Anybody who looks at the world map from the beginning of the 20th century would see the point. Harmonious world is the biggest danger to the Empire, to Western economic and geo-political inserts that are intertwined. Because 'harmonious world' would mean that each and every country has right for self-determination, for its own way"¦ right to put interests of its own people first. And that is exactly the opposite what the West wants to achieve. Gustav Jung, one of the greatest European psychologists, argued after the WWII that western desire to control and to plunder is pathological and has no equivalent in the world.

'Harmonious world' would mean the end of plunder and Western control. That's why it is the biggest danger, something that is being discredited day and night, 24/7! It would mean no more invasions to Iraq and Afghanistan, no more Libyan adventures, no more attempts to overrun Syria. No coups and 'structural adjustments' forced down the throats of the people all over the world. It would mean respect and tolerance, something inacceptable to the rulers in Washington, London and Paris.

Please understand: China is the only country – the only real power in the world that stands between full control of the global Western political and economic dictatorship and the rest of the world. Of course there is Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, but these are relatively small countries. There is Brazil and South Africa but they could be sidelined. There is Russia, but it is not as determined or as inspiring and its system is hard to define. So China is in a way the only hope. And that's why it is so hated, that's why it is constantly attacked! More good it does, attacks will intensify.
 

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Putin's visit, though routine, has special meaning

Putin's visit, though routine, has special meaning

By Wang Lijiu
(People's Daily Overseas Edition)16:18, October 12, 2011 Edited and Translated by People's Daily Online

At the invitation of the Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, the Premier of Russia Vladimir Putin is visiting China and will attend the 16th China-Russia Regular Meeting of Premiers. Although this visit is an annual routine visit between China and Russia, it has special significance this time around.

First, the mission of the visit is special. While President Hu Jintao was visiting Russia in June this year, he and President Dmitri Medvedev confirmed the strategic goal that China and Russia would make joint efforts to develop a comprehensive strategic partnership of equality, mutual trust, mutual support, common prosperity and long-term friendly relations.

During the visit, Premier Vladimir Putin will make further preparations and arrangements together with leaders of China to realize the goal. Second, Vladimir Putin has a special status. At the recent United Russia Party Congress meeting, Vladimir Putin was officially confirmed as the only candidate of the party for the 2012 presidential election. According to Russia's political forces distribution and election rules, it is almost certain that Vladimir Putin will be the next president of Russia. Under this circumstance, the significance of Vladimir Putin's visit to China is obvious.

Premier Vladimir Putin is an old friend of China. In the past decade, he, whether as the President or Premier of Russia, always actively promoted the development of the China-Russia relations and has made important contributions to the health and stability of the China-Russia strategic partnership.

The China-Russia Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation signed by the two countries in 2001 laid a solid foundation for the long-term development of the China-Russia relations. The two countries have also ultimately solved the boundary issue so that possible contradictions caused by the sensitive boundary issue have been prevented.

Economically, the areas of cooperation continue to widen and the quality of cooperation keeps upgrading between the two countries. The China-Russia cross-border oil pipeline construction, which was completed at the end of 2010 has not only provided a new guarantee for China's energy security but also gave Russia its own reliable energy market in the Asia-Pacific region. It is quite possible that the bilateral trade volume in 2011 between the two countries will reach 70 billion U.S. dollars, marking a record high.

The two countries always cooperate with each other perfectly in international organizations, such as the United Nations, G20, BRICS and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and always work together to maintain the peace and effectively promote and guarantee the security and in Northeast and Central Asia areas by carrying out series of strategic cooperative operations. All of the things above are closely connected with the efforts actively made by Vladimir Putin as an important leader of Russia.

Facing the continuously changing international situations in the next decade, how to deepen and expand the comprehensive strategic and cooperative partnership between the two is an important question for both the leaders and people of the two countries. During his visit, Putin will exchange views with Wen on certain major international affairs and the relations between the two countries and will sign related cooperation agreements.

The two countries will strengthen coordination to deal with the impact of the European and U.S. debt crises to avoid being plunged into a potential double-dip global recession and to build a fairer, more reasonable and more effective international economic governance system. In addition, the two countries have long been attaching great importance to bilateral energy cooperation, especially the construction of cross-border gas pipelines and made great efforts to lighten the burden on gas consumers. Putin's visit may lead to more substantive results in the gas cooperation between the two countries.

How can Russia's economic modernization and development strategy coordinate well with China's modernization and the 12th Five-Year Plan? How should the two countries speed up economic cooperation to achieve the goals of increasing annual bilateral trade volume to 100 billion U.S. dollars by 2015 and 200 billion U.S. dollars by 2020 set by the leaders of the two countries? Both countries should pay great attention to these two new questions.

The development of China-Russia relations over the past 20 years has proven that as long as the two countries treat each other with sincerity and maintain their ability to innovate, their bilateral relations will be enhanced steadily. In the future, the two countries will continue to adhere to this principle, and make greater efforts to boost their comprehensive strategic and cooperative partnership. All in all, Putin's routine visit to China is of great significance.

(The author is a researcher at the Institute of Russian Studies under the China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations)
 

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Russia-China Relation Too Strategic to Be Ignored: BJP

news.outlookindia.com | Russia-China Relation Too Strategic to Be Ignored: BJP

Cautioning against the Russia-China relationship following President Vladimir Putin's recent visit to China, BJP has said it cannot be ignored as it signifies "emerging geopolitical trends".

"It signifies emerging geopolitical trends. In a post-Cold War era, Russia's increasing cooperation with China and Pakistan is a development that India can't ignore and its implications on our security must be a matter of concern for us," said BJP spokesman Tarun Vijay.

He said this signifies that new world order sides with powerful nations alone and called for keeping a watch on Russian overtones with India's neighbours while keeping ties with "old and trusted friend" Russia "warm and intact".

"This development is too strategic to be ignored and must make us more cautious and diversify military supply sources," he said.

The guiding principle, he added, should be to "Trust Russia but keep a watch".

He said that "in this background we find UPA government's attitude completely oblivious of the ground situation. It is in a self-denial mode, paralysed by domestic pressures and survival exercises, failing to strengthen new India-interest-centric positions in foreign affairs."

The BJP leader said from the days of the India-Soviet Friendship Treaty signed in 1971, the global strategic dynamics had changed rapidly and old foes have turned into friends.

Russia and China had recently vetoed a European-drafted UN Security Council resolution condemning Syria for its bloody crackdown on protesters, he said, adding it was indeed an "extraordinary gesture".
 

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Thank god, our politicians aren't completely dumb. Our Defense minister Antony knows the facts quoted in the above post very well, and hence he is pushing hard of indigenization of our equipments. We cannot become a big power without getting self-sufficient. USSR wasn't very friendly towards non-aligned India, the friendship developed slowly primarily thanks to pro-Pak and pro-China stance of USA.

For Russia we are nothing more than an export destination for their defense industry, without us they will have to shut down several assembly plants, hence they like us, for now.
 

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Russia fears embrace of giant eastern neighbour

Taking off from

Quote Originally Posted by Adux View Post

Brigadier,

The Russians have been allies with the Chinese before in 1969, and even gave them Nuclear tech. Nope, they dont have any issue with the Chinese, as well as border agreement is taken into account.
http://defenceforumindia.com/china-...ost-important-partner-south-2.html#post345542


Here is what an analysis states about the Russian fear of China

Excerpts from Russia fears embrace of giant eastern neighbour, China | World news | The Observer:

Russia fears embrace of giant eastern neighbour

..............But while China and Russia have much in common, including a mutual fear of separatism and Islamic radicalism, there are also signal differences. Despite last week's exercises, and a visit to Russia by Hu Jintao, the Chinese president, in June, politicians in Moscow harbour a deep-seated fear of China - in particular, of Chinese encroachment.

Russian TV recently claimed that Beijing has drawn up a secret plan. According to this top-secret blueprint, China is determined to grab back Russia's remote, but vast, far east region. China's strategy includes persuading migrants to settle in Russia, marry local women and steal or co-opt local businesses.

Russia's far east has always been the most strategically vulnerable part of Moscow's fissiparous imperium, in what is the world's biggest country. Some 6,100km (3,800 miles) and an eight-hour flight from Moscow, the far east is home to just 6.5 million Russian citizens. Next door, across the Amur river in north-eastern China, there are 107 million Chinese. Given this demographic imbalance, there is a primordial fear in the Russian imagination that China will eventually try to steal back the Europe-sized far east of Russia - a region rich in mineral resources, trees, coal and fish. The salmon alone are an attractive target. A quarter of the world's Pacific salmon spawn in the volcanic Kamchatka peninsula. According to the Russian TV scenario, Beijing is furtively plotting to undo the Russian colonisation of the Pacific coastal region, started in the 18th century by tsarist-era adventurers. The area's original inhabitants were Chinese. These early nomads eked out a meagre living while dodging the tigers that still haunt the Sikhote-Alin mountains.

In reality, the relationship is far more fascinating than the baseless fears of Russia's nationalists. Over the past decade the number of Chinese migrants working in Russia's far east has actually fallen. In Moscow, the authorities have recently shut down the capital's enormous Cherkizovsky market, turfing thousands of Chinese out of a job. The huge bazaar was home to Chinese traders selling billions of dollars-worth of grey-sector goods. (According to China's Xinhua agency, losses from Wenzhou in Zhejiang province alone amount to more than $800m, after Russian police confiscated their stocks.) Some 150 Chinese workers have been deported since the market was closed on 29 June.

Most experts believe China's own strategic goals do not include Russia's far east, or primitive territorial expansion. Instead Beijing's priorities lie elsewhere. They include development, reunification with Taiwan and internal stability, which experts suggest is more of a priority than ever following last month's ethnic riots against Han Chinese in Xinjiang.

According to Dr Bobo Lo, a lecturer on Chinese-Russian relations at the Centre for European Reform, Beijing's real challenge to Moscow is rather different. He argues that the rise of China will lead to the "steady marginalisation of Russia from regional and global decision-making". The Chinese do not want to invade Russia militarily because, he points out, they would lose.

Any loss of influence would alarm the Kremlin, which still sees itself as a major global power. Over the past nine years, under president and then prime minister Vladimir Putin, Russia has worked hard to recover its superpower status. However, few outside Moscow doubt that the main challenge to the United States's increasingly wobbly global and economic hegemony comes not from Putin's Moscow but Hu's Beijing.



"In 1969 China and Russia fought a war over one of these river islands," Udenka explains, sitting in his captain's cabin and steering in the middle of the river. "It was a small war. Now there are good relations between Russia and China. We trust each other," he adds, in broken Chinese.



The problem of what to do with the far east has long exercised Moscow's leadership. The Soviet Union offered generous subsidies to cajole workers and young couples to start a new life here. They got higher salaries, career opportunities, and flats. There were also cheap air fares back to European Russia. The incentives were needed given the region's harsh climate - scorching summers and freezing winters, with January temperatures regularly falling below -30C.

However, after the demise of the Soviet Union this system collapsed. With a ticket to Moscow now costing £500 return, a new generation has grown up with weaker ties to the capital. Instead of visiting St Petersburg, local Russians are more likely to holiday in China - travelling by bus to the Chinese seaside resort of Dalian and other destinations in China's north east.

Gradually, Asiatic Russians are getting to know their neighbours better. Farther down the Amur in the border town of Blagoveshchensk, Russian pensioners have even started buying up apartments on the Chinese side of the river. Other young Russians head west: since the early 1990s the Russian far east's population has plunged by 1.6 million. This exodus is a source of increasing worry for the Kremlin. On Friday Putin travelled to Khabarovsk to unveil a new pipeline stretching from the Russian island of Sakhalin to Khabarovsk and the far eastern port of Vladivostok. The pipeline will take gas to China, Japan and South Korea - part of an attempt to stimulate the region's economy.

In June, during his trip to Russia, Hu attended a summit of the Shanghai Co-operation Organisation, and held talks in Moscow with Russia's president, Dmitry Medvedev, which led to the signing of a massive oil deal. He also had tea with Putin. The deal reinforced China's growing economic influence in the region, and its emergence as a competitor with Russia for Central Asia's energy reserves.

In Khabarovsk, meanwhile, few locals see much prospect of the far east breaking away from Moscow. Despite improved understanding between China and Russia, the cultures remain too different. (The Chinese see the Russians as western-centric.) In Khabarovsk, the last stop on the Trans-Siberian Railway before Vladivostok, nobody is talking about secessionism.

"I've had a few relationships with Russian girls. But I'll end up marrying a Chinese one," says Tsi Ke, 25, who has lived for the past decade in Khabarovsk. Tsi owns a thriving Chinese restaurant, where blonde Russian waitresses wear Chinese dresses. He adds: "In China we believe a wife should stay at home a lot and be like a daughter to your own parents. For us, marriage isn't just between two people but between two families."

A more pressing problem for the Kremlin is the growing estrangement between Russia's western and eastern halves. Resentment of Moscow and its far-away bureaucrats is rising. There have been grassroots protests in Khabarovsk and in Vladivostok after Moscow raised duties on second-hand Japanese cars late last year, killing off a major regional business. Anti-Kremlin protests are continuing.

In May, Medvedev dropped into Khabarovsk for an EU-Russia summit. (The venue - 10 hours' flight from Brussels - was apparently chosen by Russia to punish the EU's pampered representatives, several of whom fell asleep during sessions).

Medvedev flatteringly described the far east as his "favourite part" of Russia, and expressed sympathy with students too broke to travel to Moscow. This summer the Kremlin has introduced a scheme offering some discounted tickets to the under-23s.

It remains to be seen whether the scheme will make much difference. In reality, though, successive governments in Moscow have done little to develop the far east - making the region susceptible to civic unrest and discontent. The region suffers from "long-term neglect by Moscow" and "appalling corruption and misgovernment at regional level", Bobo Lo says.

Despite last week's show of unity during military manoeuvres, the relationship between Beijing and Moscow is no longer one of equals. Russia may see China as an important strategic counterweight to the US - with whom it is currently in conflict over a range of issues, including the planned US missile defence shield in central Europe.

But the Chinese know that it is they, and not Putin's Russia, who are destined to become the world's newest superpower. And according to Bobo Lo, China is not interested in allowing strategic accommodation with Moscow to disrupt Beijing's more important partnership with Washington. "Washington is still the world's only indispensable partner," he notes.

A history of tension

Throughout much of the cold war Beijing and Moscow were enemies. However, Stalin had encouraged and financed Mao Zedong's revolution, recognising his communist People's Republic in October 1949. The partnership survived Stalin's death and the early Khrushchev years.

In 1959 the two countries squabbled over which should lead the world communist movement, an ideological quarrel replicated in communist parties across Asia and Africa. Khrushchev's decision to back down during the 1962 Cuban missile crisis also needled Mao.

"¢ In March 1969 tensions exploded when Russia and China fought a brief war in Russia's far east over the disputed Damansky island (now known as Zhenbao), close to Khabarovsk.

Tensions continued in the 1970s and 1980s, especially after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, pictured above. Détente only became possible after the Soviet Union's demise.

"¢ Over the past two decades relations between Beijing and the Russian Federation have improved, with booming trade, agreement on many international issues, and growing military co-operation. In 2004 Russia settled a long-running border dispute with China, handing over Tarabarov island in the Amur river, and half of another large island, Bolshoy Ussuriysky.

China's rise, however, is likely to place increasing strain on the relationship. Experts believe that, as China becomes a world superpower, Russia's influence will diminish - a fate the Kremlin is unlikely to accept.

Russia fears embrace of giant eastern neighbour, China | World news | The Observer
Russia, as the USSR, was a superpower and a global leader. Russia under Gorbachev lost this pristine position, though Russia still assumes that she is a superpower when in actuality she is not, even though she continues to be a powerful country in her own rights.

This fall from the high pedestal has affected the Russian morale and psyche, leading to Russian nationalism's resurgence wherein ultra right wing organisations like Vladimir Zhirinovsky's right-wing populist party LDPR, the more radical, ultranationalist movements, the most notorious being the Russian National Unity, a neo-Nazi group infamous for organizing paramilitary brigades of its younger members, neo-monarchist Pamyat, and Movement Against Illegal Immigration.

Putin himself is assertive regarding Russia's national pride and his youth organisation Nashi carries the banner!

Since the centre of power and attention is European Russia, Asiatic Russia has been naturally neglected historically and more so now, since with market economy dictating terms, movement from the hub (Moscow) to the Far East of Russia has become cost prohibitive.

This has led to an exodus of sorts from Asiatic Russia to European Russia and those still residing in Asiatic Russia and its Far East are finding it convenient to have greater interaction between the Asiatic Russians and China with the lines are blurring as time goes by.

A summary of the ethnic Chinese in Russia gives an interesting tale.

Ethnic Chinese in Russia officially numbered 34,578 according to the 2002 census. However, this figure is contested, with the Overseas Chinese Affairs Commission of the Republic of China on Taiwan claiming 998,000 in 2004 and 2005, and Russian demographers generally accepting estimates in the 200,000–400,000 range as of 2004. Temporary migration and shuttle trade conducted by Chinese merchants are most prevalent in Russia's Far Eastern Federal District, but most go back and forth across the border without settling down in Russia; the Chinese community in Moscow has a higher proportion of long-term residents.

This obviously is a matter of serious concern to the Russians and the Russian Govt.

Notwithstanding the fact that Russia continues to believe she is still a superpower, the reality is that China has already taken Russia's place as the reckonable superpower after the US. Russia, in the heart of hearts is aware of this ignoble fall of hers. While Russia is trying to make up for lost time and its lost glory, China has surged well ahead.

Therefore, the Russian pride cannot reconcile to be playing a second fiddle and it would be optimistic that Russia will play ball in China's pursuit to be greater than Russia in the pursuit of becoming the second superpower after the US.


However, there is no doubt that Russia to enhance her economy will go through the motions of selling arms and systems (since they give the best dividends with minimum effort) and also have a vibrant trade going.

It will be in the interest of Russia to ensure that the arms race that China has with the US is encouraged militarily and economically so that China uses much of its economy in this pursuit and less for her population's need. It also goes favourably for the US if there is discontent amongst the Chinese population!

However, given the geostrategic and geopolitical scenario, one wonders if Russia and China could be termed as fraternal friend

1. What will be the relations between Russia and China in the future?

2. What role will Russia play within Asia and within the world?

3. Given that Russia has less of a clout in the world than China, how will Russia overhaul China in:

(a) Asia

(b) the World.
 
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The problem is, Russia has stopped to care for herself now. After Soviet fall, the society just fell apart. Rather than remaking all that, they became worse, depended on an oil economy rather than technology and stopped the entire society with zero family life. 2 generations of citizens not marrying and having kids has a big impact if you consider that Russia had a very callous approach towards life in the past revolutions, Soviet assaults and wars.

Chinese are doing just the opposite of what Russia is doing; and that's what Russia's supposed to do. It will be considered a good friend for sure, but to regain that power and capability, it will have to rebuilt its society.
 
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Why should Russia completely trust China when Chinese-USA/West bloc is what brought down the Soviet Union??
 

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