Roma to get accepted as "Indian Diaspora"?

Roma as Indian Diaspora?


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Razor

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Diaspora is dependent on culture. There is no problem with Roma being called Indian as long as they are amenable to stop believing in revelations of prophets and agree to live according to reason.

The problem with that is 2 fold - India is secular which is highly problematic as it respects any random beliefs and dharma has been severely degraded due to islam into hinduism

I don't mind calling Roma as Indian diaspora but that makes little sense as of now. There should be certain basis for doing so. As of now, Romania is part of NATO and EU. The ties with Romanian people and Indians are not strong. It will take some time to sort out many problems, establish cultural relationships and then the naming of Roma as Indians will be meaningful.
I don't know if you meant something else but Roma are of Indian origin and speak/spoke a native language of Indo-Aryan origin.
Romanians are a slavic people who speak a romance language.
Roma are spread across all of Europe; while Romanians are concentrated in Romania and Moldova, primarily.
 

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India is not in shape of bringing people here.
Also the article says there are around 20 Million Roma, so how many and on what basis Roma people be welcomed ?
Do they know that they will have to struggle here more because of caste system where a lower caste can get admission with 50% while upper caste student has to struggle even with 70%.
Indian diaspora doesn't imply bringing people to india; it is the aspiration of a people to connect with/discover their roots.
Roma are distantly related to the marwaris.
 
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dunno wat it is but i clicked NO just to chq.......if anyone get hurt by it plz do tell i will change it.......still dunno wat it is about :)
 

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Where would you bring them? After pakistan is broken up and pakjab and sindh cleansed maybe they can be repatriated. Till then no point talking about this.
 

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Aren't these guys called gypsies???????

Fuck em I don't want them to be called indian .

Mods mera vote badlo yaar.galti ho gayi
 

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I actually didn't realize that OP was a Roma. If I'd known, I'd have been more considerate in my posts and tried not to offend.

I have nothing against the average Roma person, however there is a problem in their community with crime, poverty etc. You can call it problem with integrating into European culture but let's keep it real. They wouldn't integrate into Indian culture either.

If you are a Roma and are working as a productive member of society more power to you. I have nothing against you and am proud of you.

The goal of India as it grows is to project soft power and help improve the perception of the country in the world. No sane country in the world would want to own a crime ridden community that immigrated out of the country centuries ago as their own.

I have been following genetics of Indic people for a while. The average Roma is about 1% South Indian and 9 % ANI. The average Pashtun from Afghanistan is 19% S Indian and 34 % ANI. So much much closer to us ethnically than modern day Romas.

Does that mean that the Taliban are accepted as Indian diaspora as well? What about our Pakistani neighbors who are even closer?

If you are going to accuse me of being castist, the Pakistanis are my fellow higher caste former brethren. However, I despise them and don't want anything to do with them.
 
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A vindication of our growing softpower - you aspire to identity with something you are proud of - that too after so many years.

Guys hating the gypsies can chill and listen to Gypsy Kings :)
 

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Romas have a pretty bad reputation. Most Europeans don't like them. In addition to that, most of them are followers of abrahamic cults.
Most Roma are Christians and significant minority is Muslim. But there are Muslims and Christians in India too. You can be Indian and Christian or Muslim, Religion is private thing, everyone can believe what he/she wants in.
 

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is Roma Pakistani ??? ..............
Roma originated likely in Northwest India, new study extends their place of origin to Pakistan though. But its the same anyways as Pakistan used to be part of northwestindia.

Results
According to our analyses, Roma showed significant IBD sharing of 0.132 Mb with Northwest Indian ethnic groups. The most significant IBD sharings included ethnic groups of Punjab, Rajasthan and Gujarat states. However, we found also significant IBD sharing of 0.087 Mb with ethnic groups living in Pakistan, such as Balochi, Brahui, Burusho, Kalash, Makrani, Pashtun and Sindhi.

Conclusion
Our results show that Northwest India could play an important role in the South Asian ancestry of Roma, however, the origin of Romani people might include the area of Pakistan as well. https://bmcgenet.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12863-017-0547-x
 

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I actually didn't realize that OP was a Roma. If I'd known, I'd have been more considerate in my posts and tried not to offend.

I have nothing against the average Roma person, however there is a problem in their community with crime, poverty etc. You can call it problem with integrating into European culture but let's keep it real. They wouldn't integrate into Indian culture either.

If you are a Roma and are working as a productive member of society more power to you. I have nothing against you and am proud of you.

The goal of India as it grows is to project soft power and help improve the perception of the country in the world. No sane country in the world would want to own a crime ridden community that immigrated out of the country centuries ago as their own.

I have been following genetics of Indic people for a while. The average Roma is about 1% South Indian and 9 % ANI. The average Pashtun from Afghanistan is 19% S Indian and 34 % ANI. So much much closer to us ethnically than modern day Romas.

Does that mean that the Taliban are accepted as Indian diaspora as well? What about our Pakistani neighbors who are even closer?

If you are going to accuse me of being castist, the Pakistanis are my fellow higher caste former brethren. However, I despise them and don't want anything to do with them.
Pakistan is pretty much the same as India, so is Bangladesh and Sri Lanka and Maldives. Thats called the Indian Subcontinent. Nowadays those are different nationalities but when Roma moved out, it was the same back then.
 

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Pakistan is pretty much the same as India, so is Bangladesh and Sri Lanka and Maldives. Thats called the Indian Subcontinent. Nowadays those are different nationalities but when Roma moved out, it was the same back then.
Well most Pakistanis have a higher European component compared to other Indians except Punjabis. Pashtuns have an even higher component and then Iranians are even higher.

All these populations have links with India but are no longer considered Indian due to evolution of separate culture and religion. Technically a lot of them are Indian diaspora but we don't recognize them as such.

Anyway, genuinely curious - why are Roma people eager to build a connection with India when they are mostly European (from your study that you linked) in DNA, religion and culture. And yes even though Christianity and Islam are present in the Indian subcontinent, these faiths have heavy cultural baggage and are alien to our country.

Applying F4 Ratio Estimation on this setup, our results showed that Roma have on average 81.08 +/− 0.53% West Eurasian related ancestry.
 

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Well most Pakistanis have a higher European component compared to other Indians except Punjabis. Pashtuns have an even higher component and then Iranians are even higher.

All these populations have links with India but are no longer considered Indian due to evolution of separate culture and religion. Technically a lot of them are Indian diaspora but we don't recognize them as such.

Anyway, genuinely curious - why are Roma people eager to build a connection with India when they are mostly European (from your study that you linked).

Applying F4 Ratio Estimation on this setup, our results showed that Roma have on average 81.08 +/− 0.53% West Eurasian related ancestry.
West Euroasian doesnt mean European, thats European + Middle Eastern + ANI combined. Roma are half Punjabis 50% to get PIO card you dont need to be fully indian according to Indian law, 1/8 (12%) is enough. Even only married to a Indian is enough if you are zero Indian. Roma originated in the Indian subcontinent, speak a indian form of language and 80% trace their paternal line to India around 20% trace also their maternal line to India. 80% are H1 Haplogroup. They have strong link to India, nowadays they are euroasians (means mixed indian/european) but they have strong link to India. Other diasporas might be mixed too like the ones in southafrica for example or anglo-indians.
 

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West Euroasian doesnt mean European, thats European + Middle Eastern + ANI combined. Roma are half Punjabis 50% to get PIO card you dont need to be fully indian according to Indian law, 1/8 (12%) is enough.
Not really. The blue part is West European, ANI is the light green part and the red part is ONGE. Also, ONGE is much higher than Punjabis. Anyway, would you want the goverment of India to make Roma eligible for a PIO card?

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