Riots in Xinjiang: Future of Uighers and how will China deal with it? Part 2

[RPK]

http://www.zeenews.com/news569051.html

Prepare to fight China, Qaeda figure tells Uighurs

Beijing: A prominent al Qaeda militant urged Uighurs in Xianjiang to make serious preparations for a holy war against "oppressive" China and called on fellow Muslims to offer support.


Abu Yahya al-Libi, in a video posted on an Islamist website on Wednesday, warned China of a fate similar to that of former communist superpower, the Soviet Union, which disintegrated some two decades ago.

"The state of atheism is heading to its fall. It will face what befell the Russian bear (Soviet Union)," he said in the message in which he accused China of committing massacres against Uighurs and seeking to dissolve their identity.

Soviet forces invaded Afghanistan in 1979 to prop up a Marxist government against Islamist fighters, but was ground down by guerrilla warfare and withdrew in 1988-89. Al Qaeda emerged from the groups that fought Soviet forces at the time.

Uighurs are Muslim native to Xinjiang province, which Islamists call East Turkistan, and have cultural ties to Turkic peoples in Central Asia.

"There is no way to remove injustice and oppression without a true return to their (Uighurs) religion and ... serious preparation for jihad in the path of God the Almighty and to carry weapons in the face of those (Chinese) invaders," he said.

"It is a duty for Muslims today to stand by their wounded and oppressed brothers in East Turkistan ... and support them with all they can," said Libi.

He also accused China of using "satanic ways" to oppress Muslims in the province and replace them with other ethnicities while "looting their wealth and undermining their culture and religion."

Beijing does not want to lose its grip on Xinjiang in the far West. The vast territory borders Russia, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India. It has abundant oil reserves and is China's largest natural gas-producing region.

 

[tarunraju]

Of all the countries, Al Qaeda will have to fear China the most, because China aggressively defends itself against all anti-state elements. China wouldn't budge from carrying out mass genocide of all Uighurs if it reaches a point where they threaten Chinese sovereignty or disturb peace outside Xinjiang. That said, I think this is hoax, because Qaeda's very existence will be threatened if it messes with China.

 

[mattster]

After 50 years of arming Pakistan for a proxy war with India.....China is now finally facing the serious possibility of a Pakistan based Al-Queda/Taliban Jihad in the Chinese Xinjiang area.

Isnt that just so ironic........I hope the US can use this to their advantage, as the Jihadis stop wasting their time fighting the US and instead turn their focus on China.

Al Queda does not need to launch an all out war in China, all they have to do is launch a few tactical attacks in the main Chinese cities and this will dispel the myth of the Chinese CCP/PLA power structure.

Democratic countries get their stability from the electoral system. Communist countries get their stability from the power of the party. The people in China are confident only as long as they know that the CCP and PLA are in total control. The moment they have a major attack in one of their cities like a Mumbai attack....their confidence in the CCP will shatter.

Whereas in India....the people are so used to a lousy ineffective party system, that they can handle tragedies like Mumbai and just move on the next day. Jihadis can attack India but they cant really rock the system.

 

[Koji]

After 50 years of arming Pakistan for a proxy war with India.....China is now finally facing the serious possibility of a Pakistan based Al-Queda/Taliban Jihad in the Chinese Xinjiang area.

Isnt that just so ironic........I hope the US can use this to their advantage, as the Jihadis stop wasting their time fighting the US and instead turn their focus on China.

Al Queda does not need to launch an all out war in China, all they have to do is launch a few tactical attacks in the main Chinese cities and this will dispel the myth of the Chinese CCP/PLA power structure.

Democratic countries get their stability from the electoral system. Communist countries get their stability from the power of the party. The people in China are confident only as long as they know that the CCP and PLA are in total control. The moment they have a major attack in one of their cities like a Mumbai attack....their confidence in the CCP will shatter.

Whereas in India....the people are so used to a lousy ineffective party system, that they can handle tragedies like Mumbai and just move on the next day. Jihadis can attack India but they cant really rock the system.

I STRONGLY disagree here. If the Tibetan riots last year and the Uighur unrest are any indications, a terrorist attack launched by Al Qaeda will only cement the CCP more firmly in their seat of power.

I believe if an attack occurs, the CCP will use it as justification that their heavy handed tactics were correct.

 

[no smoking]

I STRONGLY disagree here. If the Tibetan riots last year and the Uighur unrest are any indications, a terrorist attack launched by Al Qaeda will only cement the CCP more firmly in their seat of power.

I believe if an attack occurs, the CCP will use it as justification that their heavy handed tactics were correct.

You know, as a gentleman, you should not treat people like this. After seeing his own homdland's mess for decades, he realy needs something to cheer up. There is nothing can make him comfortable than any bad news of their neighbour. See, he already start their imagination.

Let him have fun, would you? He doesn't have much.

 

[Ray]

If AQ gets active in China, things will really go out of hand for China.

 

[no smoking]

If AQ gets active in China, things will really go out of hand for China.

I don't see how AQ can get active in China.

I think that there are some pre-requirement for the development of AQ in a terriotry: absolute poverty, illiterate and chaos.

Only these 3 together can create a suitable environment for terrorism.

As long as people still have a basic life, very few would take risk to be human bomb. Then, any organization like AQ will face the problem how to recruite new member. That is why AQ can initiate some attacks in US, UK, but cannot carry on their mission there.

Furthermore, a lterate person can hardly be convinced to carry a bomb to cause the death of innocents for religion reason, especially when he knew his gov will not tolerate any action linked to terrorism.

As in the case of uigur, it is true that they don't like han, but I just doubt if this hatre is big enough to make them terrorism. They are poor, but their basic life was still taken care by gov: they still receive financial aid from gov. As we know even the international uigur organization doesn't want to be side with AQ. How can the AQ get support among the common people.

For example, when Saddam was in the power, Iraq had no link to AQ. But when US came in, AQ got active in this country.

 

[badguy2000]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091012/wl_asia_afp/chinaunrestxinjiangtrialsentence
6 Uyghur suspects of murdurs have been sentenced to death and one has been sentenced to all-life imprison .

 

[Ray]

no smoking,

I also don't know how the AQ can get active in China.

Neither did the US till WTC.

Let us wait and watch!

 

[no smoking]

no smoking,

I also don't know how the AQ can get active in China.

Neither did the US till WTC.

Let us wait and watch!

My point is AQ can initiate WTC once in USA or few bomb in UK, but there is no chance of continue operation in these countries. Could we say it was active in these areas? I don't think so. By the way, before WTC, the terrorism threat to USA's homeland was ignored by US gov, while the CCP gov is fully aware of this threat today and spending huge resource on it. Plus, CCP won't be bothered by 'human right' problem in handling the terrorist, no matter foreigner or local uigur.

 

[qilaotou]

After 50 years of arming Pakistan for a proxy war with India.....China is now finally facing the serious possibility of a Pakistan based Al-Queda/Taliban Jihad in the Chinese Xinjiang area.

Thanks to Americans, of course.

Isnt that just so ironic........I hope the US can use this to their advantage, as the Jihadis stop wasting their time fighting the US and instead turn their focus on China.

They will eliminate American evils first before that.

Al Queda does not need to launch an all out war in China, all they have to do is launch a few tactical attacks in the main Chinese cities and this will dispel the myth of the Chinese CCP/PLA power structure.

They did attack buses and shops in Chinese cities, maybe guided by CIA like you?

Democratic countries get their stability from the electoral system. Communist countries get their stability from the power of the party. The people in China are confident only as long as they know that the CCP and PLA are in total control. The moment they have a major attack in one of their cities like a Mumbai attack....their confidence in the CCP will shatter.

On the contrary Chinese would support PLA nail those thugs. Did not Americans do so after 911? Btw what is your ethnic origin behind the US flag?

Whereas in India....the people are so used to a lousy ineffective party system, that they can handle tragedies like Mumbai and just move on the next day. Jihadis can attack India but they cant really rock the system.

 

[badguy2000]

???????7.5??????????6?????

another 6 suspects of 7.5 riot sentenced to death,one of which is Han.
another 5 suspects sentenced to life imprisonment

 

[Daredevil]

Dozens 'disappeared' in China's Xinjiang: group

Wed Oct 21, 4:18 am ET

NEW YORK (AFP) – Dozens of members of China's Uighur minority including children remain unaccounted for more than three months after security forces rounded them up amid ethnic clashes, Human Rights Watch said Wednesday.
The New York-based rights group said it has documented the disappearances of 43 men and boys in China's Uighur-dominated northwestern Xinjiang region, but that the real number was likely much higher.

Violence between Uighurs and China's majority Han erupted July 5, leaving nearly 200 people dead according to the official toll.

China has since sentenced 12 people to death over the ethnic bloodshed, which was the country's worst in decades.

Quoting residents, Human Rights Watch said security forces sealed off entire neighborhoods of the regional capital Urumqi and hauled away male residents who either had wounds or were not at home during street protests.

"They told everybody to get out of the houses. Women and elderly were told to stand aside, and all men, 12 to 45 years old, were lined up against the wall," a resident identified as Aysanam said.

"Some men were pushed on their knees, with hands tied around wooden sticks behind their backs; others were forced on the ground with hands on their heads," she said.

In another incident, Human Rights Watch said soldiers snatched a 14-year-old boy named Sharafutdin, along with other young people, as he walked to his father's shop in August.

The boy's father has gone to the local police station at least five times only to be told Sharafutdin is not on their list of detainees, the boy's sister Madina was quoted as saying.

"'Disappearing' people is not the behavior of countries aspiring to global leadership," Brad Adams, the Asia director at Human Rights Watch, said in the report.

He called on the United States, European Union and other international players to press China for "clear answers about what happened to those who have disappeared in Xinjiang."

"They should not let trade relations or other political considerations lead them to treat China differently than other countries which carry out this horrific practice," he said.

Human Rights Watch did not spare Uighurs from criticism, saying that while their July 5 demonstration was initially peaceful it descended into an attack on Han Chinese.

Many Uighurs, who are predominantly Muslim, accuse China of stifling their religious and political freedom.

 

[S.A.T.A]

China: Detainees ‘Disappeared’ After Xinjiang Protests

China: Detainees ‘Disappeared’ After Xinjiang Protests

October 21, 2009


The Chinese government says it respects the rule of law, but nothing could undermine this claim more than taking people from their homes or off the street and ‘disappearing’ them.
Brad Adams, Asia director at Human Rights Watch

(New York) - The Chinese government should immediately account for all detainees in its custody and allow independent investigations into the July 2009 protests in Urumqi and their aftermath, Human Rights Watch said in a new report on enforced "disappearances" released today.

The 44-page report, "‘We Are Afraid to Even Look for Them': Enforced Disappearances in the Wake of Xinjiang's Protests," documents the enforced disappearances of 43 Uighur men and teenage boys who were detained by Chinese security forces in the wake of the protests.

"The cases we documented are likely just the tip of the iceberg," said Brad Adams, Asia director at Human Rights Watch. "The Chinese government says it respects the rule of law, but nothing could undermine this claim more than taking people from their homes or off the street and ‘disappearing' them - leaving their families unsure whether they are dead or alive."

Last week, Xinjiang judicial authorities started trials of people accused of involvement in the protests. Nine men have already been sentenced to death, three others to death with a two-year reprieve, and one to life imprisonment.

Human Rights Watch research has established that on July 6-7, 2009, Chinese police, the People's Armed Police, and the military conducted numerous large-scale sweep operations in two predominantly Uighur areas of Urumqi, Erdaoqiao, and Saimachang. On a smaller scale, these operations and targeted raids continued at least through mid-August.

The victims of "disappearances" documented by Human Rights Watch were young Uighur men. Most were in their 20s, although the youngest reported victims were 12 and 14 years old. It is possible that some Han Chinese also became victims of "disappearances" and unlawful arrests. However, none of the more than two dozen Han Chinese residents of Urumqi interviewed by Human Rights Watch provided any information about such cases.

According to witnesses, the security forces sealed off entire neighborhoods, searching for young Uighur men. In some cases, they first separated the men from other residents, pushed them to their knees or flat on the ground, and, at least in some cases, beat the men while questioning them about their participation in the protests. Those who had wounds or bruises on their bodies, or had not been at their homes during the protests, were then taken away. In other cases, the security forces simply went after every young man they could catch and packed them into their trucks by the dozens.

Twenty-five-year-old Makhmud M. [name changed] and another 16 men "disappeared" as a result of one of these raids in the Saimachang area of Urumqi. His wife and another witness told Human Rights Watch that at around 7 p.m. on July 6 a group of some 150 uniformed police and military sealed off the main street in their neighborhood:

They told everybody to get out of the houses. Women and elderly were told to stand aside, and all men, 12 to 45 years old, were all lined up against the wall. Some men were pushed on their knees, with hands tied around wooden sticks behind their backs; others were forced on the ground with hands on their heads. The soldiers pulled the men's T-shirts or shirts over their heads so that they couldn't see.

Police and the military were examining the men to see if they had any bruises or wounds. They also asked where they had been on July 5 and 6. They beat the men randomly, even the older ones - our 70-year-old neighbor was punched and kicked several times. We couldn't do anything to stop it - they weren't listening to us."

In this and other cases documented by Human Rights Watch, the families' attempts to inquire about their relatives proved futile. Police and other law enforcement agencies denied having knowledge of the arrests, or simply chased the families away.

Human Rights Watch called on the Chinese government to immediately stop the practice of enforced disappearances, release those against whom no charges have been brought, and account for every person held in detention. Human Rights Watch urged the Chinese government to allow for an independent, international investigation into the Urumqi unrest and its aftermath and called on the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights to take the lead in such an investigation.

"China should only use official places of detention, so that everyone being held can contact family members and legal counsel," said Adams. "‘Disappearing' people is not the behavior of countries aspiring to global leadership."

The protests of July 5-7, 2009, in Xinjiang's capital of Urumqi were one of the worst episodes of ethnic violence in China in decades. The protests appear to have been sparked by an attack on Uighurs in the southeast part of the country, which became a rallying cry for Uighurs angry over longstanding discriminatory policies toward the Uighur minority. The initially peaceful Uighur demonstration quickly turned into a violent attack against Han Chinese, leaving scores dead or injured.

Instead of launching an impartial investigation into the incidents in accordance with international and domestic standards, Chinese law enforcement agencies carried out a massive campaign of unlawful arrests in the Uighur areas of Urumqi. Official figures suggest that the number of people detained by the security forces in connection with the protests has reached well over a thousand people.

Under international law, a state commits an enforced disappearance when its agents take a person into custody and it denies holding the person or fails to disclose the person's whereabouts. "Disappeared" persons are often at high risk of torture or extrajudicial execution. Family members and friends experience ongoing anxiety and suffering, as they do not know what has happened to the person.

"The United States, the European Union, and China's other international partners should demand clear answers about what happened to those who have disappeared in Xinjiang," said Adams. "They should not let trade relations or other political considerations lead them to treat China differently than other countries which carry out this horrific practice."

 

[ppgj]

an interesting article on pakistan's xinjiang connection.

 

[badguy2000]

China: Detainees ‘Disappeared’ After Xinjiang Protests

October 21, 2009


The Chinese government says it respects the rule of law, but nothing could undermine this claim more than taking people from their homes or off the street and ‘disappearing’ them.
Brad Adams, Asia director at Human Rights Watch

(New York) - The Chinese government should immediately account for all detainees in its custody and allow independent investigations into the July 2009 protests in Urumqi and their aftermath, Human Rights Watch said in a new report on enforced "disappearances" released today.

The 44-page report, "‘We Are Afraid to Even Look for Them': Enforced Disappearances in the Wake of Xinjiang's Protests," documents the enforced disappearances of 43 Uighur men and teenage boys who were detained by Chinese security forces in the wake of the protests.

"The cases we documented are likely just the tip of the iceberg," said Brad Adams, Asia director at Human Rights Watch. "The Chinese government says it respects the rule of law, but nothing could undermine this claim more than taking people from their homes or off the street and ‘disappearing' them - leaving their families unsure whether they are dead or alive."

Last week, Xinjiang judicial authorities started trials of people accused of involvement in the protests. Nine men have already been sentenced to death, three others to death with a two-year reprieve, and one to life imprisonment.

Human Rights Watch research has established that on July 6-7, 2009, Chinese police, the People's Armed Police, and the military conducted numerous large-scale sweep operations in two predominantly Uighur areas of Urumqi, Erdaoqiao, and Saimachang. On a smaller scale, these operations and targeted raids continued at least through mid-August.

The victims of "disappearances" documented by Human Rights Watch were young Uighur men. Most were in their 20s, although the youngest reported victims were 12 and 14 years old. It is possible that some Han Chinese also became victims of "disappearances" and unlawful arrests. However, none of the more than two dozen Han Chinese residents of Urumqi interviewed by Human Rights Watch provided any information about such cases.

According to witnesses, the security forces sealed off entire neighborhoods, searching for young Uighur men. In some cases, they first separated the men from other residents, pushed them to their knees or flat on the ground, and, at least in some cases, beat the men while questioning them about their participation in the protests. Those who had wounds or bruises on their bodies, or had not been at their homes during the protests, were then taken away. In other cases, the security forces simply went after every young man they could catch and packed them into their trucks by the dozens.

Twenty-five-year-old Makhmud M. [name changed] and another 16 men "disappeared" as a result of one of these raids in the Saimachang area of Urumqi. His wife and another witness told Human Rights Watch that at around 7 p.m. on July 6 a group of some 150 uniformed police and military sealed off the main street in their neighborhood:

They told everybody to get out of the houses. Women and elderly were told to stand aside, and all men, 12 to 45 years old, were all lined up against the wall. Some men were pushed on their knees, with hands tied around wooden sticks behind their backs; others were forced on the ground with hands on their heads. The soldiers pulled the men's T-shirts or shirts over their heads so that they couldn't see.

Police and the military were examining the men to see if they had any bruises or wounds. They also asked where they had been on July 5 and 6. They beat the men randomly, even the older ones - our 70-year-old neighbor was punched and kicked several times. We couldn't do anything to stop it - they weren't listening to us."

In this and other cases documented by Human Rights Watch, the families' attempts to inquire about their relatives proved futile. Police and other law enforcement agencies denied having knowledge of the arrests, or simply chased the families away.

Human Rights Watch called on the Chinese government to immediately stop the practice of enforced disappearances, release those against whom no charges have been brought, and account for every person held in detention. Human Rights Watch urged the Chinese government to allow for an independent, international investigation into the Urumqi unrest and its aftermath and called on the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights to take the lead in such an investigation.

"China should only use official places of detention, so that everyone being held can contact family members and legal counsel," said Adams. "‘Disappearing' people is not the behavior of countries aspiring to global leadership."

The protests of July 5-7, 2009, in Xinjiang's capital of Urumqi were one of the worst episodes of ethnic violence in China in decades. The protests appear to have been sparked by an attack on Uighurs in the southeast part of the country, which became a rallying cry for Uighurs angry over longstanding discriminatory policies toward the Uighur minority. The initially peaceful Uighur demonstration quickly turned into a violent attack against Han Chinese, leaving scores dead or injured.

Instead of launching an impartial investigation into the incidents in accordance with international and domestic standards, Chinese law enforcement agencies carried out a massive campaign of unlawful arrests in the Uighur areas of Urumqi. Official figures suggest that the number of people detained by the security forces in connection with the protests has reached well over a thousand people.

Under international law, a state commits an enforced disappearance when its agents take a person into custody and it denies holding the person or fails to disclose the person's whereabouts. "Disappeared" persons are often at high risk of torture or extrajudicial execution. Family members and friends experience ongoing anxiety and suffering, as they do not know what has happened to the person.

"The United States, the European Union, and China's other international partners should demand clear answers about what happened to those who have disappeared in Xinjiang," said Adams. "They should not let trade relations or other political considerations lead them to treat China differently than other countries which carry out this horrific practice."

well,amusing.....
is such a article newsworthy?
after hundreds of innocent were killed, of course some suspects should "disappear" for their crime....

as "Urumqi children " disaapear,don't forget that some syringe attacks were carried out by Urmqi kids....their ages is not excuse to be free from the punishment.

it should be a piece of news that Uyghurs suspects were still wandering freely in the streets of Urumqi.

 

[Flint]

well,amusing.....
is such a article newsworthy?
after hundreds of innocent were killed, of course some suspects should "disappear" for their crime....

as "Urumqi children " disaapear,don't forget that some syringe attacks were carried out by Urmqi kids....their ages is not excuse to be free from the punishment.

I don't even know how to reply to this...

 

[badguy2000]

I don't even know how to reply to this...

I have checked chinese news resource.. 4 tibetan were sentenced to death or "stay of execution"

only 2 were senteced to "death" and other2 were sentenced to " Stay of execution".
In china, "Stay of execution" usually can be degraded to "life imprisonment"

2 were sentenced to "death" for murders.
those two thugs should be responsible to the death of 6 innocent people and deserve 6 bullets on their head.

those two guys set fire in two shops when they both knew some people were in the shops. Algether 6 people died of the fire set by the two thugs.

 

[Daredevil]

well,amusing.....
is such a article newsworthy?
after hundreds of innocent were killed, of course some suspects should "disappear" for their crime....

as "Urumqi children " disaapear,don't forget that some syringe attacks were carried out by Urmqi kids....their ages is not excuse to be free from the punishment.

it should be a piece of news that Uyghurs suspects were still wandering freely in the streets of Urumqi.

There is a difference between disappearance and arrest. These people were not arrested but simply whisked away and might have been killed without due judicial procedure. Anyways, this is nothing new for the most notorious human rights violator of the world, China.

 

[IBRIS]

Xinjiang isolated by email, phone blocks: residents

Updated at: 1145 PST, Saturday, October 24, 2009
BEIJING: Residents in China's restive Xinjiang region remain isolated from the outside world with long-lasting Internet and phone cuts that have prompted some businesses to relocate, locals said Saturday.

Emails are still blocked nearly four months after deadly ethnic unrest erupted in the regional capital Urumqi, as are text messages and international phone calls, residents told media.

"Our business has been seriously affected, and we have had to set up an office in Lanzhou (capital of neighbouring Gansu province)," said the head of an Urumqi-based firm, who asked to remain anonymous.

Xinjiang authorities "set up a green channel (for calls and the Internet) for... trade companies in Xinjiang, but it's not enough for us to handle business", he told media by phone.

Riots erupted in Urumqi on July 5, leaving 197 people dead, according to official figures, in the worst ethnic violence in China in decades.

Authorities quickly reacted by restricting the flow of information going in and out of the region, in one of the biggest known Internet shutdowns anywhere.

The government says terrorists, separatists and religious extremists used the Internet, telephones and mobile text messages to spread rumours and hatred as the July violence erupted in Urumqi.

But nearly four months later, residents in Xinjiang said they still had very limited access to the Internet.

"Emails can't be sent and received, Internet can only be used in Xinjiang and text messages can't be used," a receptionist at a hotel in Kashgar, another big city in the region, told media by phone.
Xinjiang isolated by email, phone blocks: residents