RESHAPE DRDO & HAL FOR BETTER RESULT / OUTPUT

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Guys . Time has come when we have to reshape DRDO & HAL as both organisation are not performing up to level when you talk with them , they cry for over work , not fulfilling key person seats , etc etc


DRDO should be divide into 3 section with 3 new names ,& merge HAL into them . Like

1) DRDOAWO (Defence reasearch devlopment aifroce wing org)
2)DRDOINO (Defence reasearch devlopment India Navy wing org)
3)DRDOARO (Defence reasearch devlopment Amry wing org)

All three will work separately & HAL will be merge into DRDOAWO




Pls share your view how we can take better result form DRDO & HAL . i hope something need to done as per CAG report .

Pls share your views
 

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More jobs will come for youth & work performance will also increase . work load on staff will also reduce
 

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Guys . Time has come when we have to reshape DRDO & HAL as both organisation are not performing up to level when you talk with them , they cry for over work , not fulfilling key person seats , etc etc


DRDO should be divide into 3 section with 3 new names ,& merge HAL into them . Like

1) DRDOAWO (Defence reasearch devlopment aifroce wing org)
2)DRDOINO (Defence reasearch devlopment India Navy wing org)
3)DRDOARO (Defence reasearch devlopment Amry wing org)

All three will work separately & HAL will be merge into DRDOAWO




Pls share your view how we can take better result form DRDO & HAL . i hope something need to done as per CAG report .

Pls share your views
OFBs sholuld be made just production units, people with capability in R&D who presently work in ofb should be deputed to the above mentioned wings .
 

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Guys . Time has come when we have to reshape DRDO & HAL as both organisation are not performing up to level when you talk with them , they cry for over work , not fulfilling key person seats , etc etc


DRDO should be divide into 3 section with 3 new names ,& merge HAL into them . Like

1) DRDOAWO (Defence reasearch devlopment aifroce wing org)
2)DRDOINO (Defence reasearch devlopment India Navy wing org)
3)DRDOARO (Defence reasearch devlopment Amry wing org)

All three will work separately & HAL will be merge into DRDOAWO




Pls share your view how we can take better result form DRDO & HAL . i hope something need to done as per CAG report .

Pls share your views
DRDO is basically a set of laboratories which has been distributed from J&K to TamilNadu and Gujrat to Orissa. And among these they have dedicated laboratories to all three wings. No no need of restructuring.

We need proper man power management and that is the need of hour.

HAL is a production unit and should be kept separate from R&D. But regular expertise exchange should be carried out in between these labs for idea generation and exchange.
 

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DRDO is basically a set of laboratories which has been distributed from J&K to TamilNadu and Gujrat to Orissa. And among these they have dedicated laboratories to all three wings. No no need of restructuring.

We need proper man power management and that is the need of hour.

HAL is a production unit and should be kept separate from R&D. But regular expertise exchange should be carried out in between these labs for idea generation and exchange.
We need a better project management approach, maybe a different cadre that manages these projects instead of scientists of DRDO.

But most of all, we need an Air Force equivalent of the Naval Design Bureau.

OFBs sholuld be made just production units, people with capability in R&D who presently work in ofb should be deputed to the above mentioned wings .
Why? That is just asking for trouble. It can lead to prejudice based on the fact that DRDO scientists and OFB engineers are recruited differently and belong to different cadres. DRDO has no incentive in promoting OFB people above its own scientists.
Besides, OFB requires an in-house R&D department. Every manufacturing unit does. Are you not happy with Dhanush, and mounted version of Dhanush?

Guys . Time has come when we have to reshape DRDO & HAL as both organisation are not performing up to level when you talk with them , they cry for over work , not fulfilling key person seats , etc etc


DRDO should be divide into 3 section with 3 new names ,& merge HAL into them . Like

1) DRDOAWO (Defence reasearch devlopment aifroce wing org)
2)DRDOINO (Defence reasearch devlopment India Navy wing org)
3)DRDOARO (Defence reasearch devlopment Amry wing org)

All three will work separately & HAL will be merge into DRDOAWO




Pls share your view how we can take better result form DRDO & HAL . i hope something need to done as per CAG report .

Pls share your views
As Chinmoy stated, splitting DRDO like that is not a good idea. Its a collection of labs, each with its own specialisation, that are jointly administered.

A better idea would be Joint Working Groups (a different name can be given). For example, if we want to develop a Futuristic Tank, we need officers from Armoured Corps Center and school that make the tactics and officers from schools of other related arms (like Mech Infantry and Engineers) to form a group with DRDO scientists from the core design team and related laboratories, as well as people from the manufacturing agency (HVF or any private enterprise). This Joint working group needs to work in a complementary manner and brainstorm together. The problem is who will administer such a group so that there are no turf wars and finger pointing when things go awry.
^ @Chinmoy what do you think about this?
 

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A better idea would be Joint Working Groups (a different name can be given). For example, if we want to develop a Futuristic Tank, we need officers from Armoured Corps Center and school that make the tactics and officers from schools of other related arms (like Mech Infantry and Engineers) to form a group with DRDO scientists from the core design team and related laboratories, as well as people from the manufacturing agency (HVF or any private enterprise). This Joint working group needs to work in a complementary manner and brainstorm together. The problem is who will administer such a group so that there are no turf wars and finger pointing when things go awry.
Yes............. This is the approach which we need. There should be more interaction in between user and developers from the nascent stage.

Users should have a clear cut view of what they expect from a product and there should be a brain storming on that from both end. As usual the needs would be sky high whereas the deliverables would be sky scrapper. So there would always be compromise from both end. Proper project realization is missing as of now.

IA and IAF should have an independent design bureau from DRDO just like IN. They should rather discuss design and ideas instead of features for start. Moreover DRDO should also open up its idea base to educational institution and project base to private players.

BTW by educational institution I mean schools, colleges, ITI and all. Not just IITs. There should be competitions on national basis like the one we had recently on DefExpo. It helps to generate ideas and groom future designers.

As far as administration of a group is concerned, I think they should go with dual SPOC idea. One each from User and Developer end.
 

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The best way to better the performance is for a govt. to threaten scientists and their families with destruction. Generally applicable only to a few countries like NoKo

Second best way might be to create competition.
I can understand that the govt. wants to have a say in the defence sector (for various reasons, some not quite patriotic) but how about creating competing PSUs?
For eg: Two different PSUs making say, military aircraft and competing against each other.
Will this work? Discuss

And of course removal of the iron bowl, i.e. all govt. employees must be fire-able for non-performance.
 

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The best way to better the performance is for a govt. to threaten scientists and their families with destruction. Generally applicable only to a few countries like NoKo

Second best way might be to create competition.
I can understand that the govt. wants to have a say in the defence sector (for various reasons, some not quite patriotic) but how about creating competing PSUs?
For eg: Two different PSUs making say, military aircraft and competing against each other.
Will this work? Discuss

And of course removal of the iron bowl, i.e. all govt. employees must be fire-able for non-performance.

We are struggling for one & you are talking for 2 PSU for a single thing . well because of our nature we never focused on defence .

But i think next 30 years defence will give more jobs and opportunity in india . Govt has some big plans if current govt comeback again after 2019 lots of things has to improve otherwise they have to go .

current defence minster should work like this
 

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First army Navy and airforce should form a technical committee Of retired members. Their only job would be to specify future requirements and technologies. They should also be empowered with funds for proof of concept development and material tech development with universities and other organizations. It will help building skilled manpower for next gen.
 

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1. One solution is campus recruitment more Post Docs, Phd, MTech, MS,MSc students from reputed colleges like IITs/IISc/NITs/ CFTIs etc and Indian scientist working abroad in the R&D departments of DRDO. This is in addition to the BTech engineer recruitment through GATE exam currently conducted for Scientist C position.
2. Opening of DRDO cell in Universities to collaborate intra university defence research activities and involve more professors in projects. Current situations is only influential senior reputed professors get one project after another while others suffer despite being interested.
3. In managerial position MBA from top B.Schools should be hired to better run projects as well as come up with marketing schemes to market products in India and abroad.
4. Come up with more test facilities testing of aeronautical, electronics and mechanical products.
 

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Best way to perform.... Ask to them give a time line and if not able to complete than fire them.
 

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