fair enough , if extremism is due to super powers in the 80s ,why India is being targeted , why people were killed in Akshradham temple for no reason , why use the idea of " jihad" in kashmir to free it from "hindu" rule ? i dont see why extremism are targeting hindus in particular ,when we are Govt Of India is helping non militarily in Afghanistan.It doesn't matter if Zakir Naik is mentioning this or not.
Jihad literally means struggle in Arabic. Holy war would be tranlated as Harb (war) muqassada (holy). So when you use the words Mujahid. It means a person who struggles or strives. This is the Arabic lexicon. So for example even Christians Arabs will use Allah for God and Mujahid for a person who struggles and strives through hardship. The struggle against ones' desires and baseness is called Jihad - e- Akbar or the greater struggle
In the Quran the words used for fighting or killing is Qital. Ofcourse this does not mean that there is an armed aspect to Jihad. But this is a subset of Jihad in general. In other words, you have the general "Struggle (Jihad)" and then you have "The person who struggles (Mujahid)" and a subset where you have "armed struggle (armed Jihad)" while "struggle against your (base) self - Jihad-e-Nafs" is called the "Greater Struggle" or Jihad-e-Akbar.
Even in Qital there are guidelines, don't be the aggressors, don't kill women/children/holy people/old people or destroy farms/trees/animals/places of worship or burn people/animals. These guidelines are explicitly mentioned in the Quran. And at the same time, it mentions that if those opposed to you want to establish a peace treaty agree to that as well.
So the charge that Jihad advocated killing all "Kafirs-the label can be debated" is incorrect.
Now on Zakir Naik, I don't agree with him absolving OBL of any responsibility of 9/11. But keep in mind that OBL was not DIRECTLY involved in 9/11, that was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. IMO, he is a willing victim of the conspiracy theorists. And please note that its Americans who have made movies on 9/11 inside jobs and what not and for many muslims its an easy way out. Precisely because they are shocked at how anyone who has a proper understanding of Islam could justify such actions. The point is no one, including Zakir Naik justifies these actions. But while some muslims are able to own up and say, yup OBL instigated it and this is wrong. Others are still taking their time to do so. There is hardly any support to the OBL ideology so to speak.
And lastly about extremism as we know today is the direct product of American and western support to Jihadi groups in Afghanistan against the Soviets. They along with Pakistan and KSA, funded a politcal Islamist ideology with lethal militant training. Where else do you think they learnt to make bombs from fertilizers and other sabotage ops? Hilary Clinton has herself publicly admitted of the American role in promoting the extremist militants with money and training. At one point, Israel was sending shipments of captured soviet military equipment bound for the Palestinians to Pakistan along with MOSSAD agents for sabotage training there. And this was under Zia's watch!
Any politico-religious ideology will result in extremism, because once you have politics, spirituality goes out the window. This applies to all religions. So in extreme cases you have AQ justifying their violence to "protect muslims" even though they have killed more muslims than non-muslims, or groups like Abhinav Bharat that justify killing innocents in the interest of "protecting Hindus".
The reason why muslim groups have been more lethal is obviously because they had the training provided by the Superpower of the 80s as well as most of the western countries including Pakistani and Saudi govt. support.
Who told you what they waging against India is Jihad? Its a Proxy war played by a Neighbour!!! There is No Jihad being waged in the world at this moment! Its farce and its a name given by terrorists to use Islam and Justify their actions, which can never be Justified by the Quran.fair enough , if extremism is due to super powers in the 80s ,why India is being targeted , why people were killed in Akshradham temple for no reason , why use the idea of " jihad" in kashmir to free it from "hindu" rule ? i dont see why extremism are targeting hindus in particular ,when we are Govt Of India is helping non militarily in Afghanistan.
by the way Abhinav Bahrat is very small organisation probably in 3 0r 4 cities , and not at all supported by RSS or VHP ( i have been member for RSS for over 2 years now , i know it does not support Abhinav Bahart)
Who says it it India only which is targeted? What about 9/11? What about the failed NY Times Square Bombing attempt? What about the almost daily bombings in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan?fair enough , if extremism is due to super powers in the 80s ,why India is being targeted
Only those terrorists can answer this question.why people were killed in Akshradham temple for no reason
Hindu rule? What Hindu rule are you talking about? Are Muslims not killed in Kashmir due to cross border terrorism? You are contradicting the very idea of Secular India. I would request you to read the Salient features of the Constitution of India, incase you have forgotten those.why use the idea of " jihad" in kashmir to free it from "hindu" rule ?
Your news feed is very biased whatever the source is. Terrorism is targeting India & Indians, not Hindus in particular.i dont see why extremism are targeting hindus in particular ,when we are Govt Of India is helping non militarily in Afghanistan.
Support or not Abhinav Bharat should be banned if found indulging in terrorist activities or activities against any particular religion. For that matter RSS, Shiv Sena or any political or religious outfit should also be banned if found acting against the State or against any particular religion.by the way Abhinav Bahrat is very small organisation probably in 3 0r 4 cities , and not at all supported by RSS or VHP ( i have been member for RSS for over 2 years now , i know it does not support Abhinav Bahart)
Actually man, most have a grudge against "Hindus" and other non-non Muslims in specific. But true, they will also hate your for being Indian.Yes, Oracle just summed it up, the Fight against India is not against Hindus AJSINGH, Its against Indians. For the Terrorists I am also an enemy, because I am an INDIAN. Their war is for Land, not for God or Devil! God Speed
This is what the Indian Muslims say.Jihad- To struggle to live , not holy war.
This is what everyone else says..Jihad- Kill anyone that's not muslim
Is India being targeted by Arabs or Afghans? by Chechens or Uzbeks? By Palestinians or Saudis? IF you honestly look at these questions the answer is a resounding no. Infact, in some AQ videos the infamous Hakemullah Mehsud actually says that we consider India free but not Pakistan because since Independence Pakistan has been a colony of the US and UK. The politcal Islamic ideology actually directs these militant groups to attack muslim countries that they perceive to be not "Islamic" enough than non-muslim countries as they see this as the first step. What OBL did on 9/11 was in fact an aberration in their ideology even among the Jihadi groups.fair enough , if extremism is due to super powers in the 80s ,why India is being targeted , why people were killed in Akshradham temple for no reason , why use the idea of " jihad" in kashmir to free it from "hindu" rule ? i dont see why extremism are targeting hindus in particular ,when we are Govt Of India is helping non militarily in Afghanistan.
by the way Abhinav Bahrat is very small organisation probably in 3 0r 4 cities , and not at all supported by RSS or VHP ( i have been member for RSS for over 2 years now , i know it does not support Abhinav Bahart)
Bullet does not ask a person's religion, it only asks for blood.Actually man, most have a grudge against "Hindus" and other non-non Muslims in specific. But true, they will also hate your for being Indian.
Because, Indian Muslims are the most educated Muslims worldwide. They know the story, they know Quran. They do not distort religious teaching to suit terrorists POV.This is what the Indian Muslims say.
Do you believe in what everyone says?This is what everyone else says..
43 Prez of the US for you: (Fareed Zakaria reporting)
When George Bush saw Manmohan Singh, at some event; First time he had the opportunity to introduce his wife (Laura Bush) to Manmohan Singh. Her said to her,
"Honey, This is the Prime Minister of India. This is the country that has 150 million Muslims and not one member of Al-Qaeda"
I don't know in which sense you said that. But he does not need to prove if he is a proud Indian in here.Be proud you're born an Indian, brother.
Is that why the terrorists of Mumbai attacks targeted anyone that "looks" like a westerner and attacked the Jewish places in Mumbai?Bullet does not ask a person's religion, it only asks for blood.
So are the Arab Muslims. But why are they so radical? I don't know.Because, Indian Muslims are the most educated Muslims worldwide. They know the story, they know Quran. They do not distort religious teaching to suit terrorists POV.
That's what they say. Why does the Taliban exist? What does me believing have to do anything here?Do you believe in what everyone says?
I don't know what you mean by this. But i meant in a good way, if you didn't catch.I don't know in which sense you said that. But he does not need to prove if he is a proud Indian in here.
You are going offtopic. Please stick to the topic. I could have answered all of your points, but this is not the thread to do that.@Thanks ejazr =)
Is that why the terrorists of Mumbai attacks targeted anyone that "looks" like a westerner and attacked the Jewish places in Mumbai?
So are the Arab Muslims. But why are they so radical? I don't know.
That's what they say. Why does the Taliban exist? What does me believing have to do anything here?
I don't know what you mean by this. But i meant in a good way, if you didn't catch.
1. Muslims were also killed in mumbai....as person earlier said bullet doesn't see anything infront of it.@Thanks ejazr =)
Is that why the terrorists of Mumbai attacks targeted anyone that "looks" like a westerner and attacked the Jewish places in Mumbai?
So are the Arab Muslims. But why are they so radical? I don't know.
That's what they say. Why does the Taliban exist? What does me believing have to do anything here?
I don't know what you mean by this. But i meant in a good way, if you didn't catch.