Ram Mandir in Ayodhya

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80% Hindu population need permission from 20% to built one of their article of faith #AreYouFuckingKiddingMe

P.S: This is coming from a guy who belongs to minority community
This is true and really shame for us. BJP will also get clear majority in rajya sabha by April 2018. If after that they do not able to clar the path of Ram Mandir by hook or by crook then thousands of people like me will not support BJP in 2019 election .

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Ayodhya Dispute- I: Fighting Eminent Historians
In the legal fight to reclaim the Ram Janmabhumi in Ayodhya, the discussion on Left Historians is a must.



In the legal fight to reclaim the Ram Janmabhumi in Ayodhya, the discussion on Left Historians is a must. While the perception created is that the participation of these eminences was to add nuance to the subject, nothing is far from truth. When it comes to pushing and setting a narrative on Ram Janmabhumi, Jawahar Lal Nehru University (JNU), Aligarh Muslim University (AMU) and couple of other university professors, posing as historians, have played a large role. They appeared on behalf of the Babri Masjid Action Committee (BMAC) as experts, which in itself is not an issue by any means, nor is the fact that many of them are card carrying members of communist parties, but it is important to examine whether they have adhikara i.e. competency in this matter.

I would want to take this forward in two parts – first discuss the main arguments, pronouncements and testimonies of these Marxist Historians and archaeologists in this matter, and then highlight in second part the struggles and milestones achieved by the Historians on the Ram Janmabhumi side.

The stand of left historians had been driven by ideology from the start. The attacks and commentaries by them in publications, which went on to create the popular anti – Ram Janmabhumi mandir narrative were not based on evidence, facts or historicity, but on creating an emotional appeal for Babri masjid. The main arguments in almost all the writings by this cabal had more or less the following declarations:

  • Rama is a mythic figure, belief cannot be legitimate history
  • Identification of present day Ayodhya with Valmiki’s Ayodhya is incorrect
  • Variants of Rama story are proof that Valmiki version is not accurate
  • Buddhists texts state Kosala and not Ayodhya as Ram Janmabhumi
  • Ayodhya is a sacred place of Buddhists and Jains and not Hindus to that extent
  • Ayodhya has not been a place of pilgrimage for Hindus for a very long time
  • There was no Rama cult before thirteenth century
  • Babri masjid was built on virgin land
  • The remnants discovered from beneath the structure are of non-religious nature
  • The architectural remnants are brought from elsewhere and planted
  • Possibly an idgah or qanati mosque lays below Babri masjid
  • Babri masjid does not stand on birth place of Rama
  • There is no reference to demolition of Ram Janmabhumi temple at Ayodhya before nineteenth century
  • It is an assumption that Muslim rulers were invariably and naturally opposed to the sacred places of Hindus
  • It is nothing but colonial scholarship and visual media (Ramayana on Doordarshan) projections
  • Ram Janmabhumi area should be declared a national monument
As the case progressed, the positions kept on changing. The archeological artifacts, literary evidences and documentations kept them busy – partly in trying to refute the evidence, but largely in making a louder emotional case for national monument, which they thought is the solution in this case.

What was being evaded through the emotional appeal in national and international editorials was the central most important property rights issue: Did Babri Masjid replace a pre-existing Hindu temple?

Four eminent BMAC historians – R. S. Sharma, D.N. Jha, Suraj Bhan and Athar Ali – insisted that they be treated as independent historians, but the VHP team refused to agree to this demand. There were evidence exchanges (details and milestones of which we will discuss in the next part) but it helped little in shaking the determination of the proponents of Babri Masjid. The coterie kept repeating the same raga with little variation in op-eds. The gang had power and the establishment supported it. What the gang did not have was solid evidence on their side or the scholarship to refute the pro – Ram Janmabhumi evidences.

The court observed ‘lack of requirement to qualify (them) as expert’, ‘reckless and irresponsible statements’, ‘lack of proper investigation’ and ‘failure to inspire confidence’ etc. from their court testimonies. Counter questioning kept bursting the bubble of their knowledge and also refuted all false claims and opinions. Judgment from Honorable Justice Sudhir Agarwal is the longest – 21 volume – 5000 pages – and is a gold mine of interesting information. In this part, since the focus is on showcasing the humongous inadequacy and complete dishonesty of the Pro-Babri experts, nine surreal testimonies from the Waqf board brigade are offered as examples:

1. Suvira Jaiswal, Former Professor of JNU. She did her Ph.D. under R.S. Sharma.

“I have read nothing about Babri Mosque. I did not study thoroughly, therefore, I cannot say as to when Babri Mosque came into existence. I cannot say as to what was there at the site before coming into existence of Babri Mosque.

In my knowledge, no such evidence is found which may indicate that Babri mosque was constructed after demolishing Sri Rama’s temple.

Whatever knowledge I gained with respect to disputed site, was on the basis on newspaper or what the others told, i.e., from the report of historians. By historians’ report I mean ‘Historians Report to Nation.’

It is correct to say that I am giving statement on oath regarding Babri mosque without any probe and not on basis of my knowledge, rather I am giving statement on the basis of my opinion.”

[Page 3634 – 3639 para 3617]

2. S.C. Mishra, Satyawati College, Delhi University. He did his Ph.D. under D.N. Jha

“I have heard of Jaziya tax. At present I fail to recollect when and for what purpose it was levied. I do not remember that the Jaziya was levied only on Hindus.

It is wrong to say that Aurangzeb built the Gyanvapi mosque by demolishing half of the Kashi Vishwanath temple.”

[Page 3596 para 3602]

“I have read many books written from the time of Babarnama to 1989, regarding construction of Babri mosque. I do not remember the name of any book right now.”

[Page 3599 para 3602]

“I have done deep study about Babri mosque, after the beginning of this dispute… In my studies no evidence was found about the existence of any temple at this place.”

[Page 663 para 471]

3. Shireen Moosvi, Professor AMU

“In my view, to ascertain whether it is temple or mosque, it was not necessary to see the disputed site. I had historical literary evidence, on going through which, I reached the conclusion that this disputed structure was mosque or mosque was not constructed demolishing temple.”

[Page 3641-3645 para 3627]

“..I had deciphered the epigraph on the disputed site between 1975 and 1980… The study of those epigraphs was not necessary for my research.”

[Page 1518-1520 para 1365]

“During my studies I have not come across any such evidence or proof of medieval period to suggest that Babri mosque had been built by destroying any temple.”

[Page 693 para 483]

4. Sushil Srivastava, Ph. D. Allahabad University

“From the research carried out by me, I found no such evidence regarding this disputed site to suggest that this mosque had been built after demolishing temple.”

[Page 666 para 473]

“Neither I can read nor write Persian. I can also not read Arabic… I have no sound knowledge of Sanskrit also. It is correct that my father-in-law (S.R. Farooqui) helped me a lot in reading and writing…

[Page 1487 para 1350]

“I have no knowledge of Epigraphy. I have no knowledge of Numismatic. I did not acquire any specialization in archaeology. I did not acquire any knowledge about survey of land… The title of my book is ‘The Disputed Mosque, A Historical Inquiry’… Except this book, there is no other research of mine nor published, about medieval history.”

[Page 1495-1496]

“It was only after 1988 publication that my luck brightened… Became reader and was conferred Ph.D. degree, Sri Wahiuddin Malick was the Vice Chancellor of Allahabad University. It is also correct that, at that time the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh was Mulayam Singh Yadav.”

[Page 1488]

…my wife is Mehar Afshan Farooqui.. I have adopted Islam religion at the time of my Nikah… I was given new name Sajid. Presently, I am neither a Hindu nor a Muslim… I made nomenclature of my children in Persian language.

[Page 1504-1505]

“It is true that after 11 years of continuous efforts, I secured Ph.D. degree in 1989.”

[Page 1505]

5. Suraj Bhan, Retd. Professor, Kurukshetra University. Sent report to ICHR, then headed by Prof. Irfan Habib on the disputed site. In 2003, he along with the other 3 BMAC historians and Irfan Habib questioned the objectivity of the ASI in its ability to conduct “rigorous, scientific and impartial excavations”.

“.. I did not try to know what is written in the Ramayana by Tulsi Das…”

“I did not read what features a mosque may not have. I am not a specialist in epigraphy and numismatics… I am not a geologist… I am not a student of History… I am not a specialist in architecture. My specialty was field archaeology.”

[Page 3628-3631]

“Nobody forbade me from observing the potteries in the pottery yard but no archaeologist was there to help me in my study.”

[Page 3953 para 3826]

“I did not make any study of any recorded history with regard to the disputed subject.”

[Page 3633 para 3615]

At the time of my exploration at the disputed site, Prof. Irfan Habib was Chairman of the said institution. It is true that we had received grant for the exploration of the disputed site through this very institution.

[Page 4848]

6. R. C. Thakran, Delhi University. He was a student of Suraj Bhan and also part of the coterie that attacked ASI in 2003


“In newspapers and magazines, I have read Babur had built a mosque in Ayodhya. As a historian, I consider newspapers and magazines to be a source of knowledge… I did not certify the authenticity of these articles and monographs. This fact has already been certified by the historians. I have not read a book of any historian in this regard.”

[Page 1538 para 537]

“I myself never did any excavation in any field… It will be wrong to say that I am not a field archaeologist; rather, I am just a table archaeologist … I have not studied in any particular book on this subject. I have not gained knowledge of it in any science laboratory too but I have this knowledge on the basis of my experience and study.”

[Page 3853-3856 para 3800]

7. D. Mandal, Retired Professor, Allahabad University. He is not a Ph.D. but many Ph.D. were awarded under him. He was a communist Party card holder and wrote book Ayodhya: Archaeology After Demolition, 1993 which is based chiefly on the photograph depicting excavation undertaken by Prof. BB Lal. Sketches used in the book were hypothetical, he told the court later.

“I never visited Ayodhya.

I do not have any specific knowledge of history of Babur’s reign.

Whatsoever little knowledge I have about Babur is only that Babur was ruler of 16th century.”

[Page 3646-3647 para 3628]

“Since it was not the issue of my research to see whether these stones can be part of the mosque, I did not make any research on them, and for this very reason I did not make any research to see whether they may be of the temple… It is true that human figures are engraved on the stones shown in paper nos., 118C-1/44&46.”

[Page 3652-3653 para 3628]

“I have no knowledge that this square place was used as ‘Vedi’ of ‘Yagyashala’. In this behalf I would like to say that no archaeological evidence has been found about this place being the ‘vedi’ of ‘yagya’.”

“I neither know the meaning of ‘yagya’ nor of ‘vedi’.”

[Page 3848 ]

8. Ashok Dutta, Calcutta University. He was part of the eight member team of Waqf and Left Historians that questioned ASI capabilities in 2003.

“…As an archaeologist at least I have that amount of knowledge to differentiate between mosque and temple.”

“I don’t have any idea whether this type of stone slabs having decorative motif were used in the mosque or not.”

[Page 4193-4194 para 3913]

“As I have mentioned that the Muslim people do not believe in idol worship, hence there is no question of associating terracotta figurine with Muslim culture.

Makar Pranal is one part of Hindu temple architecture.

I am not very sure whether Makar Pranal has any association with mosque or not.”

[Page 4260 para 3953]

9. Supriya Varma, Ph. D. from JNU. She had done her Ph.D. under Prof Shireen Ratnagar, JNU who in turn had written introduction to Prof. Mandal’s book.

I think very categorically it is very difficult to say that some of the finds of ASI relate to Hindu religious structures because these finds could well have been part of palaces, Buddhist structure, Jain structure and Islamic structure.”

[Page 3868 para 3806]

“It is wrong to say that use of ‘Yaksh’ or ‘Yakshi’ is only limited to Hindu Dharmashastra. In fact, it is also associated with Buddhist religion.”

“I cannot say whether the word ‘Yaksh’ or ‘Yakshi’ is referred or mentioned in any religious book of Buddhism.”

[Page 4257-4258 para 3957]

These and several other testimonies which are in public domain, highlight how the cabal for their ideological agenda, tampered with history and tried to create a false narrative yet again. This is recorded in the history of our times as academicians pulling huge con with the religious, cultural sentiments and property rights of the Hindus. The attempt to manufacture consent was partially successful too, but the heroes from the Pro – Ram Janmabhumi side put a great fight, details of which, we will discuss in the next part.

References

Jain, Meenkashi 2013 Rama and Ayodhya, Aryan Book International

Decision of Hon’ble Special Full Bench hearing Ayodhya Matters, http://elegalix.allahabadhighcourt.in/elegalix/DisplayAyodhyaBenchLandingPage.do


(IndiaFacts)


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note the underlined above, highlighted in red. i've always said this, that Hindus are such wusses, if they marry an abrahamic woman, they would be like - "oh no dear! i dont believe in all this religion v/s religion crap; feel free to practise your faith", or, "darling i told you na, you will be/are free to hold (to) the faith/religion you have & worship as you like, as you want."

and the facepalm-barrier is broken when runts like that sushil srivastava quoted above change their OWN faith after or as a prerequisite to marriage or to show how 'lovephool' & accommodating, selfless they are!


 

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80% Hindu population need permission from 20% to built one of their article of faith #AreYouFuckingKiddingMe

P.S: This is coming from a guy who belongs to minority community
and this(!), when after all the tragedies & hullabloo of investigations & what not having revealed evidences in favour of the argument of the former! all for, in the name of crass apartheid-politics (dubbed as 'secularism' here) that bows down five times a day in front of a dysfunctional mosque (symbolically) built on the remains of the destroyed magnificent temple that once stood in its place and those unarmed simple common folk of the bygone era who had stood their ground and resisted, fought valiantly and gave up their lives, against that ideologically-driven destruction of a grand memorial of a civilisational icon, by an entity revered simultaneously by both, the paradoxically victimhood-zombies & the victimhood-mongerers alike!

tarek fatah says that such a monument symbolic of brutal subjugation & xenophobic, religious hatred (the babri 'dysfunctional' mosque) should've been demolished by the govt. itself, long back! but....alas!!
 

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This is true and really shame for us. BJP will also get clear majority in rajya sabha by April 2018. If after that they do not able to clar the path of Ram Mandir by hook or by crook then thousands of people like me will not support BJP in 2019 election .

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Just out of curiosity, so many people saying they will not support BJP if they don't do this or that. So who will you support? I would genuinely like to know. If it isn't BJP then there is only one other party de facto. Pappu?
 

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Just out of curiosity, so many people saying they will not support BJP if they don't do this or that. So who will you support? I would genuinely like to know. If it isn't BJP then there is only one other party de facto. Pappu?
(no support would also mean an indirect even if fragmented support to pappu or his ideological cousins)
speaking of which, whats the status of VHS? any idea?
 

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(no support would also mean an indirect even if fragmented support to pappu or his ideological cousins)
speaking of which, whats the status of VHS? any idea?
That's the point I'm trying to make. Any other action other than outright support to BJP will mean advantage Pappu. Nothing will help. Least of all NOTA. I'm just wondering what their alternative is..

Are you referring to Vishwa Hindustani Sangathan? If yes, I was hoping you would enlighten me about it o_O
 

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That's the point I'm trying to make. Any other action other than outright support to BJP will mean advantage Pappu. Nothing will help. Least of all NOTA. I'm just wondering what their alternative is..

Are you referring to Vishwa Hindustani Sangathan? If yes, I was hoping you would enlighten me about it o_O
you mean, Viraat Hindustaan Samaagam, isnt it? a party floated by SSwamy. sorry, clueless this side too.
 

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There are some dimwitt Hindu or Lindu / Pindu / Dhindus whatever you want to call them who just to show how inclusive they are , have started a new narrative to build hospital or school

Arey murkhon if you will not speak about your religion then who will .
Shame on them
 

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i had personaly seen this shit and trust me i felt so miserable

Case 1 :
A colleague of mine Hindu boy with name of the lord of Seven hills one day comes to me and gives his wedding invitation the shock on my face comes when i see name printed as Farhan and Farheen i asked him why r u giving someone else invitation he cooly said i just changed my name as the girls parents were not agreeing for marriage unless i convert me and my colleague sitting next to each other just looked each other shell shocked for few seconds and told the guy good luck... A hindu guy just giving his religion for the fuck of love

Case 2 : one of my team member newly joined a young rush of blood type 23 year old gets married to 25 yr old manager in a company where he went to do internship..BC bache kitne confidence dekho manager kho patana woh bi internship mein .. I am still sitting as single at senior manager level :facepalm: The kid comes and tells me his story on a drunken day out he walked out of his house leaving his family as his christian parents didn't want to agree for a hindu brahmin girl i felt wah sabash beta ... After few months his sulking drama comes because of you i left my family now i am missing my mom so much all emotional attyachar and nicely he told the girl my parents said ok for both of us to shift with them if you agree to convert and have a church wedding .. and that stupid girl agreed converted herself and shifted with his family ... Hindu girl easily converting herself for the sake of love

Me and my colleague were so fucking frustrated when his second guy came again for a drink my colleague just casually said hope your sister falls in love with hindu guy and gets converted by him .. For that he said you guys are bloody RSS goons .. i just told him be happy i didn't trashed him when he converted his wife in front of my eye s ..from that day he never showed his ass face to me ever ...

I rejected a girls alliance just when i found her facebook page full with lord jesus photos and messages i asked her whats this is all about she said she like s jesus as he helps her more than other gods i called my folks and told them i would rather die single than getting married to someone who don't have faith in the religion her parents gave birth ...


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note the underlined above, highlighted in red. i've always said this, that Hindus are such wusses, if they marry an abrahamic woman, they would be like - "oh no dear! i dont believe in all this religion v/s religion crap; feel free to practise your faith", or, "darling i told you na, you will be/are free to hold (to) the faith/religion you have & worship as you like, as you want."

and the facepalm-barrier is broken when runts like that sushil srivastava quoted above change their OWN faith after or as a prerequisite to marriage or to show how 'lovephool' & accommodating, selfless they are!


 

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i had personaly seen this shit and trust me i felt so miserable

Case 1 :
A colleague of mine Hindu boy with name of the lord of Seven hills one day comes to me and gives his wedding invitation the shock on my face comes when i see name printed as Farhan and Farheen i asked him why r u giving someone else invitation he cooly said i just changed my name as the girls parents were not agreeing for marriage unless i convert me and my colleague sitting next to each other just looked each other shell shocked for few seconds and told the guy good luck... A hindu guy just giving his religion for the fuck of love

Case 2 : one of my team member newly joined a young rush of blood type 23 year old gets married to 25 yr old manager in a company where he went to do internship..BC bache kitne confidence dekho manager kho patana woh bi internship mein .. I am still sitting as single at senior manager level :facepalm: The kid comes and tells me his story on a drunken day out he walked out of his house leaving his family as his christian parents didn't want to agree for a hindu brahmin girl i felt wah sabash beta ... After few months his sulking drama comes because of you i left my family now i am missing my mom so much all emotional attyachar and nicely he told the girl my parents said ok for both of us to shift with them if you agree to convert and have a church wedding .. and that stupid girl agreed converted herself and shifted with his family ... Hindu girl easily converting herself for the sake of love

Me and my colleague were so fucking frustrated when his second guy came again for a drink my colleague just casually said hope your sister falls in love with hindu guy and gets converted by him .. For that he said you guys are bloody RSS goons .. i just told him be happy i didn't trashed him when he converted his wife in front of my eye s ..from that day he never showed his ass face to me ever ...

I rejected a girls alliance just when i found her facebook page full with lord jesus photos and messages i asked her whats this is all about she said she like s jesus as he helps her more than other gods i called my folks and told them i would rather die single than getting married to someone who don't have faith in the religion her parents gave birth ...
You along with Some VHP Gundas Should go to her house hit that girl with bamboo stick or a Lathi crack the christain or muslims guys head( you could always ask them about this option)
You know VHP guys are much stronger Force than these Local RSS Shakha Valas
Atleast this is the case with VHP in MP is asked some VHP uncles that if they can help,in a problem against muslim guy trying to convert a Hindu they said they will talk with the girls. parents and Right Now the parents have agreed to marry her to some Hindus
If you do not know any nearest VHP Leader Talk to your local BJP Leader about them
 

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i had personaly seen this shit and trust me i felt so miserable

Case 1 :
A colleague of mine Hindu boy with name of the lord of Seven hills one day comes to me and gives his wedding invitation the shock on my face comes when i see name printed as Farhan and Farheen i asked him why r u giving someone else invitation he cooly said i just changed my name as the girls parents were not agreeing for marriage unless i convert me and my colleague sitting next to each other just looked each other shell shocked for few seconds and told the guy good luck... A hindu guy just giving his religion for the fuck of love

Case 2 : one of my team member newly joined a young rush of blood type 23 year old gets married to 25 yr old manager in a company where he went to do internship..BC bache kitne confidence dekho manager kho patana woh bi internship mein .. I am still sitting as single at senior manager level :facepalm: The kid comes and tells me his story on a drunken day out he walked out of his house leaving his family as his christian parents didn't want to agree for a hindu brahmin girl i felt wah sabash beta ... After few months his sulking drama comes because of you i left my family now i am missing my mom so much all emotional attyachar and nicely he told the girl my parents said ok for both of us to shift with them if you agree to convert and have a church wedding .. and that stupid girl agreed converted herself and shifted with his family ... Hindu girl easily converting herself for the sake of love

Me and my colleague were so fucking frustrated when his second guy came again for a drink my colleague just casually said hope your sister falls in love with hindu guy and gets converted by him .. For that he said you guys are bloody RSS goons .. i just told him be happy i didn't trashed him when he converted his wife in front of my eye s ..from that day he never showed his ass face to me ever ...

I rejected a girls alliance just when i found her facebook page full with lord jesus photos and messages i asked her whats this is all about she said she like s jesus as he helps her more than other gods i called my folks and told them i would rather die single than getting married to someone who don't have faith in the religion her parents gave birth ...
In the last 3 years 5 people I know had inter religion weddings. All 5 had one party as hindu. 3 girls 2 guys. Of which 4 got converted. 2 girls and one guy to Islam and one guy to Christianity. I honestly don't understand what runs through their brains. The thing is, the non Hindu party is always clear on their standing and it's only the Hindus that cave in.

The fifth one.. is something strange. Friend of m Friend, a Tamil Muslim loved a Telugu Hindu. His Father as usual said he shouldn't marry her unless she converts or that from that day forward he is no longer his Son. The guy said fuck this she won't convert. I don't want a Muslim wedding and if that means he's not a Muslim then so be it. He wore the traditional Hindu veshti/silk shirt and tied the thaali (mangal sutra) at a temple. I was shocked.

But the thing is, cases like him are exceedingly rare and for all intents and purposes, taking into account the population, is close to zero.

In four of the cases, the Hindu guy/girl didn't even seem to understand the step he/she was taking and handled the whole conversion so casually as if it was nothing. Parents were beyond helpless. Whereas the Muslim/Christian guy/girl and their families refused to budge an inch. Most of the Hindu population is dumb, stupid and ignorant with no respect for their heritage or even their parents. I don't know if it's sadness or rage that I feel. It's unnerving.
 
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Just out of curiosity, so many people saying they will not support BJP if they don't do this or that. So who will you support? I would genuinely like to know. If it isn't BJP then there is only one other party de facto. Pappu?
Support to Pappu or Maya or any one else?? Better I will die.

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@Krusty @Hemu Vikram Aditya Why are all these cases involving Brahmins, I thought they were casteist? In the end, all these people are just creating business for blacksmiths because you can only use a sword so many times..

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Even Though I am a Brahmin Myself You Know some People In My Community find it Cool To say islam is peaceful and those shameful asshole even add 'I am a Brahmin anyways '
 

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Please explain this part................ How that is possible
After winning the Bhidhan Shabha elections, they will get 70+ Rajya Sabha seats.

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Are bhai the girl was a super educated working as Corporate for one of the Big fours ... Worse is her father was a retired Lt.Col with indian army yeh pata nahi army background girls hamesh sickular and liberal rehti hai .. Imagine how me and my friend would have felt being son of WgCdr and another Son of Brigadier .. We felt like slapping the girl but this is where you need to appreciate the leftist brains they first wooooh you with love and once they know the girl is fully addicted to the dick they will push the religion into the body like pushing a needle into banana .. If he would have said to convert the girl before marriage i think 10 % she might have backed off .. But after getting married to her than playing that emotional drama simply aur kya karegi ladkhi ...

You along with Some VHP Gundas Should go to her house hit that girl with bamboo stick or a Lathi crack the christain or muslims guys head( you could always ask them about this option)
You know VHP guys are much stronger Force than these Local RSS Shakha Valas
Atleast this is the case with VHP in MP is asked some VHP uncles that if they can help,in a problem against muslim guy trying to convert a Hindu they said they will talk with the girls. parents and Right Now the parents have agreed to marry her to some Hindus
If you do not know any nearest VHP Leader Talk to your local BJP Leader about them
 

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@Krusty @Hemu Vikram Aditya Why are all these cases involving Brahmins, I thought they were casteist? In the end, all these people are just creating business for blacksmiths because you can only use a sword so many times..

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Jai Rudra Dev||
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I'm not a Brahmin myself. I cannot speak for the community however, what I can say is it overwhelmingly follows the trend. If You check, you will see that most of the spokesperson and Head of NGOs it's a Brahmin. Usually living in the USA. So are the majority of famous liberal left thinkers. No disrespect to them, but it does follow a pattern.
 

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