Question for caste people: Do you mind Scheduled Castes and Tribes?

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do you mind them or have prejudice against them, are they the underclass and more prone to crime or like that or dont want to work etc. are they less intelligent then upper castes? or castes. also is the stereotype true that upper castes and sheduled castes are significantly physically different like upper castes being aryan(white) and lower castes being dravidian(black) or is it more a north south divide.

thanks for your comment. and insight from your lifes.
 

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Dude I know that in foreign countries one of the first question they get is "Caste" which is overhyped.

The fact is Caste system still exists(in cities it's less) but in recent times it has decreased.They have been provided education and job opportunities. The so called low caste people have educated themselves and enjoying good and influential positions.Slowly they are improving and doing jobs which only high caste could do and at the same time some so called high caste people are doing jobs which low caste were doing.

This centuries old system was used to discriminate and in other countries some other system is used to discriminate.

It would take a while but it may not go completely any sooner.

In simple times are changing.
 

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Dude from where are you fed such propaganda?
Thers no such thing as upper caste are more intelligent or lower caste dont want to work etc...
Whatever your source is; its BS.
Seeing people like you makes me feel the west are so ignorant and stupid.

I would suggest you to read some books about india and stop assuming or believing what west tells you about us.
 

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Dude from where are you fed such propaganda?
Thers no such thing as upper caste are more intelligent or lower caste dont want to work etc...
Whatever your source is; its BS.
Seeing people like you makes me feel the west are so ignorant and stupid.

I would suggest you to read some books about india and stop assuming or believing what west tells you about us.
i thought sheduled castes are like blacks in america or romani in europe (romani=european gypsies). i thought they are hated minority etc. sorry, i dont know it thats why i ask.
 

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"Sir" is a very respectable title. I am not yet qualified for this title. About polio certificate, what is this thing?
if educated person like u dont know this what you can expect from 60% illiterate pakistani awam.

no wonder why polio is Rising in pakistan
:p:p
 

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if educated person like u dont know this what you can expect from 60% illiterate pakistani awam.

no wonder why polio is Rising in pakistan
:p:p
Ok, yes, I researched about it and you are quite right that this certificate is indeed required for travel abroad. Polio is a serious issue, no doubt, due to the efforts of GoP and illiterate people of KP who treat innocent polio workers as their enemies.
 

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Ok, yes, I researched about it and you are quite right that this certificate is indeed required for travel abroad. Polio is a serious issue, no doubt, due to the efforts of GoP and illiterate people of KP who treat innocent polio workers as their enemies.
its rising in punjab and sindh also, few cases in islamabad too
 

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Quite Right. Nothing to say except that it's a crime against humanity that polluted GoP is committing.
i dont agree with u. GOP is trying hard infact UAE has pumped several million $$ for polio vaccine drive in pakistan.

its jihadi mulla mindset of people of pakistan that causing delay or hindrance
 

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Re: Question for caste people: Do you mind Scheduled Castes and Tribes

Western media and their imbecile politicians have to constantly feed caste and poverty porn to their gullible citizens in order to divert their attention from their own debauchery.
I dislike writing on Soul treads but I would like you to answer this:

Why if castes are western propaganda the indian population have so many specific genetic diseases related to castes?

And I'm speaking of scientific method not social analisis.

An important consequence of these results is that the high incidence of genetic and population-specific diseases that is characteristic of present-day India is likely to have increased only in the last few thousand years when groups in India started following strict endogamous marriage," said co–first author Kumarasamy Thangaraj, of the CSIR-Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology, Hyderabad, India.**
Genetics Proves Indian Population Mixture | HMS

Same happens for example with Amish and Diaspora Jews.
 

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Re: Question for caste people: Do you mind Scheduled Castes and Tribes

I dislike writing on Soul treads but I would like you to answer this:

Why if castes are western propaganda the indian population have so many specific genetic diseases related to castes?

And I'm speaking of scientific method not social analisis.



Genetics Proves Indian Population Mixture | HMS

Same happens for example with Amish and Diaspora Jews.
Increase in genetic diseases in a small minority of the population could be a result of incest that is still practiced by some people. Does it happen? Yes. What percentage of the population does that? A small minority. What does the western media do? They hype that up and present only that to the western populations. The western governments, and the media controlled by the western governments, are busy peddling these beyond-second-standard-deviation (rhetoric) populations as a reflection of India. Hence, propaganda, it undoubtedly is.

I think one should visit India and see it for themselves. One will have to try very hard to vaguely spot caste based discrimination.

On the other hand, marriage is a very personal matter. Indians are like Americans. Most whites marry whites, and most blacks marry blacks. Should I conclude that genetic diseases in a minority of Americans proves something about the US as a whole? No.

There are statistical methods to find some kind of correlation, and one has to have a high score, on a large population, with less degrees of freedom, to come to a definitive conclusion.

Here is a quote (all quotes are not in order as in the article, but in order of the arguments in this post):
"An important consequence of these results is that the high incidence of genetic and population-specific diseases that is characteristic of present-day India is likely to have increased only in the last few thousand years when groups in India started following strict endogamous marriage," said co–first author Kumarasamy Thangaraj, of the CSIR-Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology, Hyderabad, India.**
The researchers are playing it safe by using the blanket of likelihood. Probability is different from certainty. Google MCMC methods if you are interested in the difference.

Here is a quote:
In 2009, Reich and colleagues published a paper based on an analysis of 25 different Indian population groups. The paper described how all populations in India show evidence of a genetic mixture of two ancestral groups: Ancestral North Indians (ANI), who are related to Central Asians, Middle Easterners, Caucasians, and Europeans; and Ancestral South Indians (ASI), who are primarily from the subcontinent.
I have not read this specific research paper, but have read others, and ANI and ASI have been presented with evidences that have a lot of loopholes. I won't comment on the article by Reich et al., but on the article you have presented.

Here is a quote:
But once established, the caste system became genetically effective, the researchers observed. Mixture across groups became very rare.
Caste preferred marriage is not a cause for genetic diseases. This is because a person's family lineage is defined by his clan, or gotra, and not by caste. This research article nowhere mentions that. The research itself is based on poorly understood premises (well, it is from Harvard, no surprises there).

Here is a quote:
The researchers took advantage of the fact that the genomes of Indian people are a mosaic of chromosomal segments of ANI and ASI descent.
The researchers are relying on the theory of ANI and ASI as a "fact," when this very claim itself is disputed.
 

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Re: Question for caste people: Do you mind Scheduled Castes and Tribes

I dislike writing on Soul treads but I would like you to answer this:

Why if castes are western propaganda the indian population have so many specific genetic diseases related to castes?

And I'm speaking of scientific method not social analisis.



Genetics Proves Indian Population Mixture | HMS

Same happens for example with Amish and Diaspora Jews.
You have yourself provided a hint (see bold above.)

Both Amish and Jews tend to keep to themselves. So I'm guessing inbreeding. Similar case with Arabs who have a lot of genetic diseases.
 

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Re: Question for caste people: Do you mind Scheduled Castes and Tribes

When? And what happened? Small things do happen in big nations so don't worry India is a big nation and can accommodate small mischief.
Terror attacks and hostage scenario can be considered small and normal mischief in pakistan but not in India.
 
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