QUAD; The Concert of Democracies for Trade, Security & Diplomacy

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Kept India out... (didn’t ask us).
 

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To me this reads more like EU gonna focus more on problems than contribute to solutions. the usual climate change / human rights tamasha ..
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Indo-Pacific: @EUCouncil launches a strategy for more economic, environmental and security cooperation with its #IndoPacific partners


 

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Quadrilateral security dialogue- Resurrected!!


Somewhere in 2006-2007 Abe, the Japanese Prime minister came up with the idea of Quadrilateral Security Dialogue (QSD) between Asia's maritime democracies Australia, India, Japan, and the United States.
QSD was endorsed by likes of Dick Cheney (the US vice president then) and QSD got huge support from US.
Soon all this culminated in one of the biggest joint military exercises in the Bay of Bengal in which all the 4 countries participated.

Meanwhile, the very observant China raised a protest and went on to call QSD a mini NATO and its concerns were justified. China perceived QSD as a Gang of Four against Beijing's interests in the region.
Soon after this Australian Prime Minister Rudd pulled Australia out of QSD because it could not afford to hurt its relations with China, QSD was an obstacle in the deepening economic relations between the two. Rudd's departure from QSD earned him the ire of US, the director of national security council (US) accused Australia of trying to please China.[r]
India also knew the perils of putting China offside,the UPA government in India (then) did not have the courage to rise against China as this would not 've happened for gratis or free. China was the only country in the region capable of injecting tens of billions of dollars for a much needed modernization of India.

And then QSD was almost forgotten for sometime.
QSD got resurrected with Obama's recent visit to India.China was definitely a topic during the 45 minutes long "Chai pe charcha" between Modi and Obama. After the meeting India decided to flex its pecs and during the joint statement both the countries declared having a "strategic vision for the Asia-Pacific and Indian Ocean region".

IMF's recent predictions that India would grow at 6.5 percent in 2016 (which would be more than its himalayan neighbor), must have been an impetus behind India's recent stance [r].This clearly shows Modi doesnt want to return to the bargaining table with China.
While Australia on its part has shown its willingness to get back to QSD, Australian foreign policy tilts towards a closer relationship with the United States and a distancing from China.
In America prominent politicians from both Democratic and Republican parties have voiced support for a more aggressive diplomacy in Asia, QSD would help in achieving it.

If the QSD in 2007 was founded on the hypothesis of a revisionist China, then 2014 is replete with supporting evidence. If the four democracies 're successful in resurrecting QSD then its bad news for China.




Naval ships from India, Australia, Japan, Singapore, and the United States steam in formation in the Bay of Bengal during Exercise Malabar 07-2 on Sept. 5. The formation included USS Kitty Hawk, USS Nimitz, INS Viraat, JS Yuudachi, JS Ohnami, RSS Formidable, HMAS Adelaide, INS Ranvijay, INS Brahmaputra, INS Ranjit, USS Chicago and USS Higgins. U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Stephen W. Rowe
This is znd will be the most effective platform to fight against the hegemonic design of China. It will have to play a more assertive role in SCS and IO. It should include France and UK as well.
 

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Would you explain more and how much it will help us , will it bring lot of investment as both Aussies and japan are higher income countries , can we use them as channel for relabeling and exports from them to a bigger market
 

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Would you explain more and how much it will help us , will it bring lot of investment as both Aussies and japan are higher income countries , can we use them as channel for relabeling and exports from them to a bigger market
I think this is just jhumlebaazi, but if they're serious, Japan has technology and best practices also apart from investment, gormint can try luring Japanese car manufacturers here to make cars and car parts purely for export, aside from this, Japan is also proficient in making exotic industrial machines and various subcomponents used in electronics ( passive two terminal components, PCBs, IC fabrication, Display etc, batteries )

Australia just has money, and no much industry since they are majorly based on export of minerals.
 

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India should reassess dependency on Quad, says Mani Shankar Aiyar




if Aiyar is worried then that means its one right combination for India..
well! we know who is the master of Aiyar when he went on harping for pakistan against India
 

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The Quad won't make it into the future. Given the recent actions of the United States government against India, it is unlikely that India will do anything more than just participate in the discussion. The current administration is a part of the Deep State in the US and is fully in favor of the G2 that China proposed to them in early 2010s.

They will do some ceremonial bans and talk tough but when PLA invades Taiwan, The US will step back and order Japan and Australia to do it as well. Both these countries are just US territories with a different language/accent/race.

Japan won't move a muscle without American permission since they are not politically independent.

Australia could try in the short term but it is simply too weak to be of any significance against PLA. One on one, the PLAN would flatten RAN in a matter of hours - something that Caberra won't risk.

That leaves us - the only politically independent country, as long as the current administration is in power in New Delhi.

If you are expecting a NATO-style collaboration between the four countries, you are dreaming.
 

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a most welcome move by Japan. if they increase it to 2% which would be around $100 billion or near $80 billion, an increase in naval power will put a stopgap in chinese move in to indian ocean!

Better late than Never! :cool1:

Japan does not decide its defense budget worrying about its size relative to GDP, Defense Minister Nobuo Kishi told Nikkei in an exclusive interview on Wednesday.

“We must increase our defense capabilities at a radically different pace than in the past,” considering China’s increased capabilities, as well as new areas of warfare such as space, cyber and electromagnetics, Kishi said.

The statement signals that Japan is ready to do away with its long-standing 1% GDP ceiling for annual defense spending, and reflects the country’s intent to bolster its own national defense capabilities, as Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga promised U.S. President Joe Biden last month.


"The security environment surrounding Japan is changing rapidly with heightened uncertainty," Kishi said.

"We will properly allocate the funding we need to protect our nation" without considering outlays in relation to GDP, he said.

The decision comes a month after Japan pledged to "bolster its own national defense capabilities to further strengthen the alliance and regional security" in a joint statement released after the Biden-Suga summit at the White House.

It also comes amid repeated incursions by China's now quasi-military coast guard into the waters around the Japan-administered Senkaku Islands, which China claims and calls the Diaoyu.

The East China Sea islands sit just 170 km from Taiwan and could quickly be engulfed in a Taiwan Strait conflict.

On specific areas of bolstering Japan's national defense, Kishi mentioned strengthening capabilities on the Nansei Islands.

The Nansei Island chain stretches from the southernmost tip of Kyushu to the north of Taiwan and consists of small islands such as Osumi, Tokara, Amami, Okinawa, Miyako and Yaeyama. Last month, the Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning and five escort vessels passed through the Miyako Strait, a 250 km-wide waterway between Okinawa and Miyako, before heading south to Taiwan.

The islands are seen as crucial in the defense of the Senkakus.

"There should not be any areas not covered by the Self-Defense Forces," Kishi said. "It is very important to deploy units to the island areas."

Kishi also expressed an intention to add a third unit to the Amphibious Rapid Deployment Brigade, based in Sasebo, Nagasaki.

"We will strengthen new areas such as space, cyber and electromagnetic warfare," Kishi said. "Technological innovation is advancing at a tremendous pace and the nature of fighting is changing."

On regional security cooperation via the Quad -- a loose alliance among the U.S., Japan, India and Australia -- Kishi said he is in favor of a "Quad defense ministers meeting."

Since the 1990s, the only year that Japan's defense spending exceeded 1% of GDP was fiscal 2010, when GDP plummeted after the global financial crisis. The country's defense budget has grown for nine straight years through fiscal 2021 but has remained below 1% of GDP.

That could change in fiscal 2021 if GDP drops again amid the coronavirus pandemic. Spending for fiscal 2020 came to 0.997% of fiscal 2020 GDP based on preliminary data announced Tuesday, and the budget for fiscal 2021 rose 0.5% to 5.34 trillion yen.

Intentionally crossing the 1% line would mark a turning point for Japan's security policy, and is likely to draw pushback from China.

As Beijing has grown more assertive, the U.S. has encouraged Japan to bolster not only the alliance's defense capabilities, but its own as well. The previous U.S. administration, under then-President Donald Trump, urged allies including Tokyo to spend at least 2% of GDP on defense.

The military balance between Japan and China has "leaned heavily toward China in recent years, and the gap has been growing by the year," Kishi said.

Inflation-adjusted global military expenditures rose 2.6% last year to a record $1.98 trillion, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. The data shows a particular uptrend in Southeast Asia amid concern about China's maritime forays, with defense spending rising even amid the coronavirus pandemic.

Kishi said the government continues to discuss whether Japan should develop the capability to strike enemy bases in response to an imminent missile launch. "There's an awareness that just improving our interception capabilities may not really be enough to protect the public," he said.

He noted that focusing on interception will become more costly as missiles improve.

On the question of whether Japan and the U.S. intend to revise their defense guidelines with an eye toward a potential conflict in the Taiwan Strait, Kishi said that while there are no plans to do so at this time, "we'll need to adjust to changes in the situation and make changes as needed."

https://asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Pi...-1-GDP-cap-on-defense-spending-Minister-Kishi
 

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Let's see if this happens or not.
Interesting part will be to see who are the Muricans and europeans who will oppose this plan.
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SCOOP: The Pentagon is considering establishing a permanent naval task force in the Pacific to counter Beijing—and creating a named military operation for the region, enabling the Secdef to allocate additional dollars and resources to the China problem.

 

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