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Marliii

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Fighting the PRC is going to be more than just getting reservists ready. Taiwanese people are no longer as nationalistic as they were back in Chiang Kai-Shek's time. Their military 'will to fight' is lower than ever and in the event that the country is invaded, many will prefer running away to USA/Canada/Europe than fight. Their troops may be motivated but that's the same case with the general population. Several taiwanese papers have highlighted this as a concern even during China-Taiwan bonhomie days of 2010s. Taiwan is not Israel that has had to constantly fight day in and out to be battle-hardened.



A lot has changed since the WW2. Not to mention that CCP does not honour any international law including Geneva Convention. Their absolute control on information dissemination makes it impossible to understand their position, keeping us all walking on eggshells.

If it comes to their immediate interests, they won't follow any rule book and instead do anything necessary, no matter how damaging it is to the environment or the world or the Taiwanese.

The PLA does not have to mount a beach head at all.

Instead, they would use satellite-guided ballistic missiles to take out critical infrastructure, supply lines, factories, plants, assembly lines, medical centres, etc. Simultaneous attacks in a matter of minutes across the island would render the country in shock. Though Taiwanese forces will start regrouping almost immediately, they will also be under pressure to anticipate the next attack. This time may likely be used by the PLA to mount a full-scale amphibious assault.

The assault would come much after the entire island's critical facilities have been flattened with a rain of long-range cruise & conventional ballistic missiles. After such a destruction, they won't need 1 million soldiers to retake the island.



You are seeing this war from the perspective of a conventional military, that is bound by international laws laid down. If we were in the business of conquering lands, we would ideally be doing what you said so as not to cause excessive collateral damage.

However, you need to understand that the PLA is neither professional nor ethical; being closed from the public, they are nothing more than brute, unethical opportunists with access to excellent logistics & a stronger economy. They know that their lack of experience is a big Achilles' heel to fight their enemy. Case and point the Galwan clash retaliation which saw between 45-70 of their troops dying. They assumed that they wont' face any retaliation whereas our troops wiped the floor with their heads. But the fact that they used clubs, spiked rods, daggers, spears, etc. like medieval savages to circumvent the no-guns rule should tell you everything you need to know about them.

Do you know that the PLA has poisoned small lakes that flow from Occupied Tibet into Sikkim near Gurudongmar lake area? They may look clean and potable but the people nearby and the Army will tell you not to drink from there as it could be poisonous. No newspaper reports this because it gets hidden under all the stupid local political news in our country. But this is the truth.

I am not fearmongering, but telling you the mentality of the CCP and the PLA. They are very medieval in their thoughts and lack professionalism. Just a huge, glorified LeT with more resources & no religion. This lack of ethics & refusal to comply with international law, can make them indiscriminately waste away as many Taiwanese forces/people as they deem necessary through any means, including biological means. If that means snuffing out a few small towns (which the PRC construction companies can get contracts to rebuild again), so be it.
You are taking a long shot mate.
1. Do you think the west would take even a million taiwanese refugees? And during war they would not certainly be able to just fly out of Taiwan.
2.CCP will not go full on bombing taiwanese people .even breaking the bone of few protesters in hong kong had china reeling from the after shock as the west made into a weapon and just think the propaganda value they would have.CCP would be have to be incredibly stupid to do that .
3.missiles are over rated. The syrian airbase which isn't even hardened took more than 50 US tomahwak missiles and all the damage was repaired the second day.amd thinking china would just lob missiles and not invade would not make any sense. China has been deploying their marine corps ( a basic light infantry) and their own army ambhiboius troops who would act as break out troops. They are developing all this for their invasion.
4.Taiwan has its own missiles that can engage and hit many major chinese cities.
5.china could play by the rules and still get internationally condemned.the americans might join the war and start a global war or Taiwan May fall and china would loose shit ton of men be economically weaker ( it takes a ton of money for any invasion so just think about 1million strong invasion force). And the biggest thing is being portrayed as weak.yup weak if tiny Taiwan stands up and china looses a lot of men it could act reverse amd show china in a very bad hind sight.
6.they could not play by the rules.start bombing everyone like @Tshering22 pointed but that would be worse they would be "the bad guy the world need " foe uniting all anti china forces that's why even after all this rhetoric china will always try for a peacefull reunification and that's possible too.rather than an invasion as it can have a lot of variables that CCP will not risk it.
 

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You are taking a long shot mate.
1. Do you think the west would take even a million taiwanese refugees? And during war they would not certainly be able to just fly out of Taiwan.
2.CCP will not go full on bombing taiwanese people .even breaking the bone of few protesters in hong kong had china reeling from the after shock as the west made into a weapon and just think the propaganda value they would have.CCP would be have to be incredibly stupid to do that .
3.missiles are over rated. The syrian airbase which isn't even hardened took more than 50 US tomahwak missiles and all the damage was repaired the second day.amd thinking china would just lob missiles and not invade would not make any sense. China has been deploying their marine corps ( a basic light infantry) and their own army ambhiboius troops who would act as break out troops. They are developing all this for their invasion.
4.Taiwan has its own missiles that can engage and hit many major chinese cities.
5.china could play by the rules and still get internationally condemned.the americans might join the war and start a global war or Taiwan May fall and china would loose shit ton of men be economically weaker ( it takes a ton of money for any invasion so just think about 1million strong invasion force). And the biggest thing is being portrayed as weak.yup weak if tiny Taiwan stands up and china looses a lot of men it could act reverse amd show china in a very bad hind sight.
6.they could not play by the rules.start bombing everyone like @Tshering22 pointed but that would be worse they would be "the bad guy the world need " foe uniting all anti china forces that's why even after all this rhetoric china will always try for a peacefull reunification and that's possible too.rather than an invasion as it can have a lot of variables that CCP will not risk it.
Insha Muruga it would most probably trigger a global shitstorm
A global conflict is necessary to pull us out of the woke-libbie-marxshit downward spiral all of us are heading towards, wouldn't you agree?
It would mean the commie Stronholds would be effectively neutered, Rogue nations would simply cease to exist (northa and South Korea's unify perhaps)
Cuckservatives will get into power in the states
India can set the entire subcontinent in order without any major backlash
It would set things straight for deacades to come
I'm eager to sign my conscription papers :megusta: lol
 

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LDP seeks defense spending boost beyond 2% of GDP


To put it into perspective, at the moment, Japan only spends on defense the equivalent of 1% of their GDP.
 

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Not related to QUAD per se, but good to see murican bureaucracy waking up to the fact that CCP was walking all over them for atleast two decades now.

let's hope our bureaucracy and judiciary wakes up too, this is not the time for idealogical point scoring.
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Good details here. https://epaper.timesgroup.com/Olive...1/10/27&entity=Ar02006&sk=7463968E&mode=text#
1) Space
However, there’s good news on the India-US defence front. A new chapter is set to open on India as a ‘major defence partner’, officials tell me. The two sides are ready to sign a new ‘Space Situational Awareness (SSA) agreement’ between the US Space Command and Indian Space Research Organisation (Isro). The agreement, to be signed during the 2+2 dialogue, will allow exchange of information on space debris, space weather and the many madly orbiting satellites.
2) Cyber
Beyond SSA, there’s also progress in cyber cooperation. Rawat visited the US Cyber Command in Virginia — the first Indian senior official to do so — to discuss cyber tactics, now that India has a new Defence Cyber Agency charged with protecting infrastructure from attacks. But India also wants to be part of the secretive Cyber Offensive and Defensive Exercises (CODE) that the US hosts. Americans are receptive, but the two sides will have to sign an agreement before things can go forward.

The exercises are held every two years and, so far, only a few countries like Australia, the Czech Republic, Indonesia, Japan and Malaysia have participated, while six have been observers. The last CODE was in 2019, when for the first time the US decided to ‘co-host’ with Taiwan to send a signal. Teams of adversaries and friendlies battled in cyberspace to see who was up to snuff. The US Cyber Command does other exercises, including the annual Cyber Flag with foreign teams working with US civilian agencies to test preparedness for ever-evolving cyberthreats.
3) Special Ops
India and the US have also agreed for an Indian liaison officer of the rank of colonel or lieutenant colonel to be placed at the US Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) in Florida. The officer is expected to arrive within two months.
 

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“what we did was clumsy. It was not done with a lot of grace”

One thing which Macron stressed was Indo Pacific , He also added European to it , meaning this is the pie which everyone now wants to eat
The good thing is India is center to that because of its location.
For so long chootiya Pakistan had enjoyed the benefit of its location , now it's our turn but is our bureaucracy and political will could mess this up
 

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He didn't apologized , he only said we were clumsy, however this is an exception reserved for white developed countries .
It was as good as an apology considering how Macron threw a very public tantrum against US. Most Europeans were just as surprised at the US with Macron's over-the-top reaction (cut-out for election).
 

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You are taking a long shot mate.
1. Do you think the west would take even a million taiwanese refugees? And during war they would not certainly be able to just fly out of Taiwan.
2.CCP will not go full on bombing taiwanese people .even breaking the bone of few protesters in hong kong had china reeling from the after shock as the west made into a weapon and just think the propaganda value they would have.CCP would be have to be incredibly stupid to do that .
3.missiles are over rated. The syrian airbase which isn't even hardened took more than 50 US tomahwak missiles and all the damage was repaired the second day.amd thinking china would just lob missiles and not invade would not make any sense. China has been deploying their marine corps ( a basic light infantry) and their own army ambhiboius troops who would act as break out troops. They are developing all this for their invasion.
4.Taiwan has its own missiles that can engage and hit many major chinese cities.
5.china could play by the rules and still get internationally condemned.the americans might join the war and start a global war or Taiwan May fall and china would loose shit ton of men be economically weaker ( it takes a ton of money for any invasion so just think about 1million strong invasion force). And the biggest thing is being portrayed as weak.yup weak if tiny Taiwan stands up and china looses a lot of men it could act reverse amd show china in a very bad hind sight.
6.they could not play by the rules.start bombing everyone like @Tshering22 pointed but that would be worse they would be "the bad guy the world need " foe uniting all anti china forces that's why even after all this rhetoric china will always try for a peacefull reunification and that's possible too.rather than an invasion as it can have a lot of variables that CCP will not risk it.
Tell me one simple thing: How many countries, given the current global economic conditions, public distrust, and reemergence from a global pandemic, do you think would dare to send boots on the ground against China?

Honestly.

Do you really think that the US will send its troops against the CCP as long as their Guam is not targeted? Taiwan is not a US territory; it has a treaty, but Turkey is also a treaty ally, which for all practical purposes, is a pariah despite being in an alliance. Not an apple-to-apple comparison, but all I am indicating is that an alliance is just a matter of convenience, especially if you're the bigger country.

Think about it; even though we will have a huge advantage of a busy PLA against the Taiwanese, still our troops will not enter Aksai Chin unless CCP opens a second front against us.
 

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You seem to be playing too much Call of Duty, bhai sahab. :rofl::rofl:

Wars especially with bully powers are very, very nasty.
 

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Tell me one simple thing: How many countries, given the current global economic conditions, public distrust, and reemergence from a global pandemic, do you think would dare to send boots on the ground against China?

Honestly.

Do you really think that the US will send its troops against the CCP as long as their Guam is not targeted? Taiwan is not a US territory; it has a treaty, but Turkey is also a treaty ally, which for all practical purposes, is a pariah despite being in an alliance. Not an apple-to-apple comparison, but all I am indicating is that an alliance is just a matter of convenience, especially if you're the bigger country.

Think about it; even though we will have a huge advantage of a busy PLA against the Taiwanese, still our troops will not enter Aksai Chin unless CCP opens a second front against us.
America May or May not send troops that's not certainty but lets just imagine biden coming and saying US will not interfere if china tries their reunification then within 1 year either PLA would invade or Taiwan would voluntarily reunify.my reason US puts out a smoke screen on the defence of Taiwan is 1) to deter the chinese from invading 2)to keep Taiwan strong as they think they have a backup of US and don't go peacefully unify with the chinks.invading Taiwan is the worst case scenario for china even if its successfully everyone thinks if china invades Taiwan then every other country will be pissscared but in reality most states would be more anti chink from then on
 

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𝑻𝒉𝒆 𝑾𝒐𝒍𝒇𝑷𝒂𝒄𝒌🔎 (@TheWolfpackIN) Tweeted:
Head of US Congress's Spec Ops & Intel committee says he supports intel sharing alliance between India, Japan and the Five-Eyes.
Wants Penatgon and ODNI to look into the possibility of such.

 

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Will India Be Joining The World’s Most Exclusive Intelligence Club?

Efforts are now gathering to place India inside the so-called ‘Five Eyes’ club led by the United States, the most sophisticated intelligence-gathering alliance in human history. In language drafted by Senator Ruben Gallego, chairman of the House Armed Services subcommittee on special operations and intelligence, the United States’ defence authorisation bill for 2022 has called on the Director of National Intelligence to report on the benefits and risks of expanding “the circle of trust to other like-minded democracies”.


 

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𝑻𝒉𝒆 𝑾𝒐𝒍𝒇𝑷𝒂𝒄𝒌🔎 (@TheWolfpackIN) Tweeted:
Head of US Congress's Spec Ops & Intel committee says he supports intel sharing alliance between India, Japan and the Five-Eyes.
Wants Penatgon and ODNI to look into the possibility of such.

Will India Be Joining The World’s Most Exclusive Intelligence Club?

Efforts are now gathering to place India inside the so-called ‘Five Eyes’ club led by the United States, the most sophisticated intelligence-gathering alliance in human history. In language drafted by Senator Ruben Gallego, chairman of the House Armed Services subcommittee on special operations and intelligence, the United States’ defence authorisation bill for 2022 has called on the Director of National Intelligence to report on the benefits and risks of expanding “the circle of trust to other like-minded democracies”.


Americans spied on all 5 eyes. This could become a gateway for them to spy more on us. This could help us in some areas, but screw us up in others. This gives me similar vibes to the time when KGB infiltrated us. Do we have any indication from our Government if they are interested in this marriage?
 

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Americans spied on all 5 eyes. This could help us in some areas, but screw us up in others. This gives me similar vibes to the time when KGB infiltrated us. Do we have any indication from our Government if they are interested in this marriage?
You need to listen to the interview of Yuri Bezmenov regarding what all was done in India and how was it made possible.
 

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