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US always has contingencies. In the case of TSMC, the US has already asked and TSMC already put up a foundry in the US. I think this us a hedge just in case Taiwan is lost.
That's not a good contingency. I assume you're talking about the foundry in Arizona? Has it already been set up? I thought 2024 was the finishing year for those.

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In any case, Taiwan produces close to 70% of the world's microchips. China's infrastructure to produce microchips is around 10-15 years behind the curve at the moment and not suitable for modern circuits. Especially with a global chip shortage, if Taiwan cut production, the world's economy would halt. If China annexes Taiwan, a lot of US companies can no longer use microchips from there.

The US has to defend Taiwan if it gets attacked, for its own sake. The foundries back home are not a reliable back up plan. If Taiwan gets trashed, the US can't just suddenly go out and spend $18 billion and replicate the entire TSMC operation. It could take one or two decades or maybe even never.
 

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That's not a good contingency. I assume you're talking about the foundry in Arizona? Has it already been set up? I thought 2024 was the finishing year for those.

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In any case, Taiwan produces close to 70% of the world's microchips. China's infrastructure to produce microchips is around 10-15 years behind the curve at the moment and not suitable for modern circuits. Especially with a global chip shortage, if Taiwan cut production, the world's economy would halt. If China annexes Taiwan, a lot of US companies can no longer use microchips from there.

The US has to defend Taiwan if it gets attacked, for its own sake. The foundries back home are not a reliable back up plan. If Taiwan gets trashed, the US can't just suddenly go out and spend $18 billion and replicate the entire TSMC operation. It could take one or two decades or maybe even never.

US is subsidizing TSMC US plant.

 

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By the way, believe it or not, the country that has benefited the most from the war between China and US over semiconductor exports is Israel. Israel is the one who is propping up China and helping them in the semiconductor battle with USA.

Typical. Making money from stoking conflict again.
 

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By the way, believe it or not, the country that has benefited the most from the war between China and US over semiconductor exports is Israel. Israel is the one who is propping up China and helping them in the semiconductor battle with USA.

Typical. Making money from stoking conflict again.
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By the way, believe it or not, the country that has benefited the most from the war between China and US over semiconductor exports is Israel. Israel is the one who is propping up China and helping them in the semiconductor battle with USA.

Typical. Making money from stoking conflict again.
Why am I not surprised
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All it takes is your Shlomo/Moshe/Yitzhak or Ruth/Esther/Rebekah to marry the chink of the opposite sex and produce little bacchas inside the Middle Kingdom, and in a 100 years, even China will become the US and EU of today :troll:
Not only that, but the CCP itself was formed and propped up mostly by the God's chosen people, which also explains a lot of Xi Pingpong's recent actions.
 

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For anyone thinking china is gonna invade Taiwan or terror bomb them to submission have to look at these facts
1.Taiwan has an military up to 160000 troops and upto 1.6 million reservists in any case of war Taiwan can easily add upto half a million troops to their nations defence.
2.its an island of up to 35,808 km sq.imagine the entire indian and pakistan military fighting in an island the size of kerala instead of entire LOC during war period.concentration of troops and armor per area and as an island both sides cannot withdraw much is gonna be apocalyptic.
3.china would have to conduct an operation much larger than D day to even establish a beach head.the allies had full air,naval superiority and axis powers only had 6 lakh troops in full of france and it was even fewer in the beach heads and was still could nt link the beaches or reach their objectives and were almost thrown back to the sea. Taiwan has even fewer beaches that can be used for amphibious assault so Taiwan will basically turn them into kill houses.
4.Taiwan has a population of upto 2.6 crore in a small area.just think how the PLA is gonna fight the taiwanese forces and manage of a local insurgency and control a large hostile population ?
5.china would have to atleast poor up to a 1 million troops to the island to successfully capture it
6.any chinese attempt to even assemble a force would be seen by the taiwanese right away so china will not even get a surprise like the allies did in DDay.
7.china will at all means conquer Taiwan but the casualties would be astronomical for both sides.
China is gonna get sucked dry and battle of verdun will look like a picnic to these battles.
not to mention the reach of Taiwanese Missiles along Chinese shores as well as Chinese Industrial corridor. and i wouldn't count out Taiwanese Preemptive strikes against Chinese transport fleet or against the massing of any of the Rockets/Batteries along the coast.

if Taiwan doesn't preempt.. Pretty much the taiwanese air strips are f'cked.... but here the Japanese role comes.... their new base south of Taiwan would be used to maintain Taiwanese air assets till the bombardment is finished
 

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The Chinese leader is not so stupid, even I can see that it is a fake thing
you know the Chinese generals were scared shietless, when Trump assassinated Iranian General !!! finally a stupid Milley had to give an assurance that US won't attack.
 

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you know the Chinese generals were scared shietless, when Trump assassinated Iranian General !!! finally a stupid Milley had to give an assurance that US won't attack.
Ultimately though, that is a major shit in the USA'S mouth. The fact that your top general himself is a Chinese asset and called the enemy and told them he would let them know before an attack was about to happen is an act that has crossed all lines of treason.

And yet their society and people are so blindingly stupid and so deep in their Orange Man Bad brainwashing that they actually support the traitor for doing this just because it undermined the Peach.
 

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Ultimately though, that is a major shit in the USA'S mouth. The fact that your top general himself is a Chinese asset and called the enemy and told them he would let them know before an attack was about to happen is an act that has crossed all lines of treason.

And yet their society and people are so blindingly stupid and so deep in their Orange Man Bad brainwashing that they actually support the traitor for doing this just because it undermined the Peach.
Because they aren't a proper country, for ****** and spic and other minorities Orange Man Bad is the priority, for whiteys it's material concerns for the most part like free health care, loan mafi, free college, free lund, free lahsun etc.
For this reason treason has no value, they don't really care, and bark at whoever the media prompts them too.
 

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It's ideal that taiwan willingly goes over to china , what's the point of resisting when they don't have a religious buff .
It's a joke communism vs democracy or capitalism , Taiwanese can integrate tehmselevs very well with the prc.
A peace full end and resolution of conflict .
I don't understand why Taiwanese hate being part of china.
Taiwan conflict cannot be compared to kashmir.
A Big Nope...... they've enjoyed the Freedom too much to go back and become a slave. time and time again they've shown, and they're willing to declare independence but its the US that's forcing Taiwan not to do.
 

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Because they aren't a proper country, for ****** and spic and other minorities Orange Man Bad is the priority, for whiteys it's material concerns for the most part like free health care, loan mafi, free college, free lund, free lahsun etc.
For this reason treason has no value, they don't really care, and bark at whoever the media prompts them too.
The white cuckservatives are probably the most pathetic figures. Imagine railing against the Left in a podcast while not realizing that they have conserved nothing over the years and they are in fact, a dying demographic soon to be replaced. If they are not outraged enough to take action about the fact that their top general was a Chinese asset, they are hopelessly doomed.
 

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Ultimately though, that is a major shit in the USA'S mouth. The fact that your top general himself is a Chinese asset and called the enemy and told them he would let them know before an attack was about to happen is an act that has crossed all lines of treason.

And yet their society and people are so blindingly stupid and so deep in their Orange Man Bad brainwashing that they actually support the traitor for doing this just because it undermined the Peach.
Of course its a treason, but doesn't mean he'd actually inform the chinese if US attacks. he might have told to calm the chinese.
 

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Of course its a treason, but doesn't mean he'd actually inform the chinese if US attacks. he might have told to calm the chinese.
Who knows? If he's willing to go that far, what's one step further?

Plus, he doesn't even say that he did it but he wouldn't have actually informed China of the attacks, he fully accepts he did it and gives the reasoning of Orange Man was crazy.

Well, if that's the case, if he really had such low confidence in Trump's abilities, why didn't he just resign and go to Congress to spill the beans?

Plus for Americaโ€™s top general to offer a bizarre promise of giving advance notice of an attack by his own country was more likely to arouse rather than alleviate suspicions on the part of Chinese military and political leaders. It would be difficult for them to believe that Milley would commit such an indisputable act of treason. Instead, they might well have concluded that a U.S. full-scale attack was coming and that Milleyโ€™s assurance was merely part of a sophisticated disinformation effort to lull Chinese military units into complacency. If so, Beijing then would have had a powerful incentive to strike first, rather than risk having its forces devastated in a U.S. first strike.

Milleyโ€™s behavior was both clueless and treasonous. Good intentions are not enough. Such a weird offer of reassurance could well have triggered the very war that Milley insisted he sought to prevent.

That phone call was also NOT the only thing.

Milley also obtained an agreement from other top military commanders affirming that they would not execute orders from the White House unless Milley explicitly confirmed those orders.

There is no excuse. It was treason, plain and simple, and he is clearly a Chinese plant.
 
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Who knows? If he's willing to go that far, what's one step further?

Plus, he doesn't even say that he did it but he wouldn't have actually informed China of the attacks, he fully accepts he did it and gives the reasoning of Orange Man was crazy.

Well, if that's the case, if he really had such low confidence in Trump's abilities, why didn't he just resign and go to Congress to spill the beans?

Plus for Americaโ€™s top general to offer a bizarre promise of giving advance notice of an attack by his own country was more likely to arouse rather than alleviate suspicions on the part of Chinese military and political leaders. It would be difficult for them to believe that Milley would commit such an indisputable act of treason. Instead, they might well have concluded that a U.S. full-scale attack was coming and that Milleyโ€™s assurance was merely part of a sophisticated disinformation effort to lull Chinese military units into complacency. If so, Beijing then would have had a powerful incentive to strike first, rather than risk having its forces devastated in a U.S. first strike.

Milleyโ€™s behavior was both clueless and treasonous. Good intentions are not enough. Such a weird offer of reassurance could well have triggered the very war that Milley insisted he sought to prevent.

That phone call was also NOT the only thing.

Milley also obtained an agreement from other top military commanders affirming that they would not execute orders from the White House unless Milley explicitly confirmed those orders.

There is no excuse. It was treason, plain and simple, and he is clearly a Chinese plant.
This one is simple to explain, he did it because he knew there won't be any blowback on him. he is protected by democrats. Let's not forget he made the call to PLA after his call with Nancy Pelosi.

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For anyone thinking china is gonna invade Taiwan or terror bomb them to submission have to look at these facts

1.Taiwan has an military up to 160000 troops and upto 1.6 million reservists in any case of war Taiwan can easily add upto half a million troops to their nations defence.
Fighting the PRC is going to be more than just getting reservists ready. Taiwanese people are no longer as nationalistic as they were back in Chiang Kai-Shek's time. Their military 'will to fight' is lower than ever and in the event that the country is invaded, many will prefer running away to USA/Canada/Europe than fight. Their troops may be motivated but that's the same case with the general population. Several taiwanese papers have highlighted this as a concern even during China-Taiwan bonhomie days of 2010s. Taiwan is not Israel that has had to constantly fight day in and out to be battle-hardened.

2.its an island of up to 35,808 km sq.imagine the entire indian and pakistan military fighting in an island the size of kerala instead of entire LOC during war period.concentration of troops and armor per area and as an island both sides cannot withdraw much is gonna be apocalyptic.

3.china would have to conduct an operation much larger than D day to even establish a beach head.the allies had full air,naval superiority and axis powers only had 6 lakh troops in full of france and it was even fewer in the beach heads and was still could nt link the beaches or reach their objectives and were almost thrown back to the sea. Taiwan has even fewer beaches that can be used for amphibious assault so Taiwan will basically turn them into kill houses.
A lot has changed since the WW2. Not to mention that CCP does not honour any international law including Geneva Convention. Their absolute control on information dissemination makes it impossible to understand their position, keeping us all walking on eggshells.

If it comes to their immediate interests, they won't follow any rule book and instead do anything necessary, no matter how damaging it is to the environment or the world or the Taiwanese.

The PLA does not have to mount a beach head at all.

Instead, they would use satellite-guided ballistic missiles to take out critical infrastructure, supply lines, factories, plants, assembly lines, medical centres, etc. Simultaneous attacks in a matter of minutes across the island would render the country in shock. Though Taiwanese forces will start regrouping almost immediately, they will also be under pressure to anticipate the next attack. This time may likely be used by the PLA to mount a full-scale amphibious assault.

The assault would come much after the entire island's critical facilities have been flattened with a rain of long-range cruise & conventional ballistic missiles. After such a destruction, they won't need 1 million soldiers to retake the island.

6. Any Chinese attempt to even assemble a force would be seen by the taiwanese right away so china will not even get a surprise like the allies did in D-Day.

7. China will at all means conquer Taiwan but the casualties would be astronomical for both sides. China is gonna get sucked dry and battle of Verdun will look like a picnic to these battles.
You are seeing this war from the perspective of a conventional military, that is bound by international laws laid down. If we were in the business of conquering lands, we would ideally be doing what you said so as not to cause excessive collateral damage.

However, you need to understand that the PLA is neither professional nor ethical; being closed from the public, they are nothing more than brute, unethical opportunists with access to excellent logistics & a stronger economy. They know that their lack of experience is a big Achilles' heel to fight their enemy. Case and point the Galwan clash retaliation which saw between 45-70 of their troops dying. They assumed that they wont' face any retaliation whereas our troops wiped the floor with their heads. But the fact that they used clubs, spiked rods, daggers, spears, etc. like medieval savages to circumvent the no-guns rule should tell you everything you need to know about them.

Do you know that the PLA has poisoned small lakes that flow from Occupied Tibet into Sikkim near Gurudongmar lake area? They may look clean and potable but the people nearby and the Army will tell you not to drink from there as it could be poisonous. No newspaper reports this because it gets hidden under all the stupid local political news in our country. But this is the truth.

I am not fearmongering, but telling you the mentality of the CCP and the PLA. They are very medieval in their thoughts and lack professionalism. Just a huge, glorified LeT with more resources & no religion. This lack of ethics & refusal to comply with international law, can make them indiscriminately waste away as many Taiwanese forces/people as they deem necessary through any means, including biological means. If that means snuffing out a few small towns (which the PRC construction companies can get contracts to rebuild again), so be it.
 

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