Quadrilateral security dialogue (QUAD) - Resurrected!! News and Updates

Cheran

Senior Member
Joined
Sep 8, 2019
Messages
4,273
Likes
32,750
Country flag
"US is building a NATO like alliance in the Indo-Pacific region, with AUKUS at the core, and the US-Japan and US-South Korea alliances surrounding it, and the QUAD at the outermost level, because India, not an US treaty ally, can't be trusted by the US."
-Chinese scholar Li Haidong
Good.

Li Haidong should advise the CCP that this is an excellent time to make amends with India by maintaining status quo i.e. pulling all CCP troopers back at the border, dropping all missile/nuclear/satellite corporation with Pakistan, working towards a mutually acceptable solution to the border issue & accept Arunachal Pradesh as Indian territory for starters.

Post this we can think about the next century being an Asian one i.e. us all Asians sticking together and stuff.
:)
 

hit&run

United States of Hindu Empire
Mod
Joined
May 29, 2009
Messages
12,010
Likes
45,100
"US is building a NATO like alliance in the Indo-Pacific region, with AUKUS at the core, and the US-Japan and US-South Korea alliances surrounding it, and the QUAD at the outermost level, because India, not an US treaty ally, can't be trusted by the US."
-Chinese scholar Li Haidong
.
NATO has already got Indo-Pacific covered and has working mechanism between all the allies to mind its key frontiers and lanes.

QUAD as per India is not a military alliance. Why Indian analysts saw it this way is beyond my understanding. Maybe we got too excited following PLA transgressions or too insecure about our own capabilities?

QUAD was lead by Trump. When he lost the election and stayed in WH for few more weeks he saw Biden watering it down. He made sure the term Indo-Pacific is normalised and Biden stays true to it. Like he tried to wipe out Obama’s deals e.g Paris accord and TPP. Biden will do the same to his policies. QUAD is victim of US’s internal politics not some grand game. Luckily GOI saw it through and never hyped it officially.

BTW UK has no presence or proximity to Indo-Pacific.

If your theory is correct and we should take comment by this Chinese scholar seriously. Then my reposnse is as following.

Chinese assholes have habit of speaking for others. They will blame everyone but not themselves for creating all those problems with their neighbours guided by their untenable claims based on their shoddy historicity. For example Cow’s tongue, Himalayan 5 fingers claims etc. If these scums can behave the region can stand together or even make NATO like alliance to ward off these mutants who less than a century ago where occupying and enslaving nations. Same can be said about these loser Pakistani who for their disease called Islam and greed are making whole region vulnerable to Western intervention.
 
Last edited:

Brood Father

Senior Member
Joined
Jun 27, 2015
Messages
2,222
Likes
8,192
Country flag

nWo 4 Life

Tihar Jail
Banned
Joined
May 16, 2021
Messages
2,225
Likes
11,269
Country flag
Good.

Li Haidong should advise the CCP that this is an excellent time to make amends with India by maintaining status quo i.e. pulling all CCP troopers back at the border, dropping all missile/nuclear/satellite corporation with Pakistan, working towards a mutually acceptable solution to the border issue & accept Arunachal Pradesh as Indian territory for starters.

Post this we can think about the next century being an Asian one i.e. us all Asians sticking together and stuff.
:)
In all seriousness though, speaking from a purely unemotional perspective, if India and China were to somehow come together, the combined might would be literally unstoppable. No amount of subversion or Imperialism by the West will be enough to shatter it. Even a bilateral alliance will be highly significant, leave alone what might happen if a majority of the Asian countries come together in an alliance like the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere that Japan envisaged in the early 20th century.

If you think about it, there is no reason why it SHOULD not happen. Asian culture, in itself, whether it be Japanese, Chinese, Indian or Korean all have similar characteristics of respecting tradition and preserving historical values, resisting Western degeneracy like LGBTQ gender nonsense, drugs, pornography, protecting family values and structure, fighting against jihad or Christian aggression etc.

In reality though, such a thing is probably not possible. If China's political system was based on and dominated by Han Nationalism, then I'm sure our countries would have been inseparable. But given that it's the Chinese Communists running the country, it is useless to try to establish friendly relations with them. Instead, a system of autarky is probably the most beneficial course of action for us in the present scenario.
 

JBH22

Senior Member
Joined
Jul 29, 2010
Messages
4,925
Likes
8,813
WTF is this hissy fit from french.
Uncle Sam elbowed them out of all major contracts, France is the only country in the Western hemisphere with USA who can build entire gamut of hardware from aircraft, submarine to aircraft carrier.
Not winning any contract makes their industry viability in jeopardy.

Plus French were pussy for cancelling mistral contract with Russia they got repaid handsomely by USA.🤣🤣🤣
 

fooLIam

Regular Member
Joined
Jan 25, 2016
Messages
130
Likes
299
In all seriousness though, speaking from a purely unemotional perspective, if India and China were to somehow come together, the combined might would be literally unstoppable. No amount of subversion or Imperialism by the West will be enough to shatter it. Even a bilateral alliance will be highly significant, leave alone what might happen if a majority of the Asian countries come together in an alliance like the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere that Japan envisaged in the early 20th century.

If you think about it, there is no reason why it SHOULD not happen. Asian culture, in itself, whether it be Japanese, Chinese, Indian or Korean all have similar characteristics of respecting tradition and preserving historical values, resisting Western degeneracy like LGBTQ gender nonsense, drugs, pornography, protecting family values and structure, fighting against jihad or Christian aggression etc.

In reality though, such a thing is probably not possible. If China's political system was based on and dominated by Han Nationalism, then I'm sure our countries would have been inseparable. But given that it's the Chinese Communists running the country, it is useless to try to establish friendly relations with them. Instead, a system of autarky is probably the most beneficial course of action for us in the present scenario.
Leave india, Chinese communist party can not even make good relations with its similar neighbours Vietnam,Korea, Philippine etc. They can surely make alliance with these countries, can secure east asia but will not becoz in alliance you have to give and take and CPC is like mine things are mine yours thing is also mine becoz middle kingdom gonna be super power😑.
 

Brood Father

Senior Member
Joined
Jun 27, 2015
Messages
2,222
Likes
8,192
Country flag
In all seriousness though, speaking from a purely unemotional perspective, if India and China were to somehow come together, the combined might would be literally unstoppable. No amount of subversion or Imperialism by the West will be enough to shatter it. Even a bilateral alliance will be highly significant, leave alone what might happen if a majority of the Asian countries come together in an alliance like the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere that Japan envisaged in the early 20th century.

If you think about it, there is no reason why it SHOULD not happen. Asian culture, in itself, whether it be Japanese, Chinese, Indian or Korean all have similar characteristics of respecting tradition and preserving historical values, resisting Western degeneracy like LGBTQ gender nonsense, drugs, pornography, protecting family values and structure, fighting against jihad or Christian aggression etc.

In reality though, such a thing is probably not possible. If China's political system was based on and dominated by Han Nationalism, then I'm sure our countries would have been inseparable. But given that it's the Chinese Communists running the country, it is useless to try to establish friendly relations with them. Instead, a system of autarky is probably the most beneficial course of action for us in the present scenario.
Truth be told that indian interests are best served with Chinese being friends not some goras living 14000 km away , but given the expansionist regime they have that ship sailed a while back.

But pause for a moment and think if china is governed by a regime favorable to India then India Russia China alliance will give nightmares to the western powers. US will then have to worry about Atlantic not Pacific.
 

JBH22

Senior Member
Joined
Jul 29, 2010
Messages
4,925
Likes
8,813
Truth be told that indian interests are best served with Chinese being friends not some goras living 14000 km away , but given the expansionist regime they have that ship sailed a while back.

But pause for a moment and think if china is governed by a regime favorable to India then India Russia China alliance will give nightmares to the western powers. US will then have to worry about Atlantic not Pacific.
If China recognise LAC as international border and stop propping Pakistan we are good to go to sign a sort of non aggression pact. But then it's not going to happen.
 

Brood Father

Senior Member
Joined
Jun 27, 2015
Messages
2,222
Likes
8,192
Country flag
If China recognise LAC as international border and stop propping Pakistan we are good to go to sign a sort of non aggression pact. But then it's not going to happen.
China cosing up to Pak is a derivative to relationship with India . If India and china are in good terms china won't need Pakistan apart from doing it's dirty work in Afghan.
But I agree with LAC , that won't happen unless china changes it's expansionist agenda
 

asianobserve

Senior Member
Joined
May 5, 2011
Messages
11,388
Likes
6,590
Country flag
Truth be told that indian interests are best served with Chinese being friends not some goras living 14000 km away , but given the expansionist regime they have that ship sailed a while back.

But pause for a moment and think if china is governed by a regime favorable to India then India Russia China alliance will give nightmares to the western powers. US will then have to worry about Atlantic not Pacific.

After all the betrayal of China against India since the 1960's, and the fact that India's modern economic boom is in no small part facilitated by its trade with the US and the economic system championed and protected by the US, not to mention that India and the US are both English speakers, liberal democracies, and most of all, given the fact that most Indians would like to immigrate to the US, some Indians are still dreaming of China? This is not only scandalous.

This reminds me of the saying, "Fool me once, shame on you, but fool me twice, shame on me!"

If all major powers are snakes, then China is the worst of them all, the most treacherous and venomous. It must be contained if not defeated.
 

Jimih

Senior Member
Joined
May 20, 2021
Messages
5,744
Likes
31,675
Country flag

hit&run

United States of Hindu Empire
Mod
Joined
May 29, 2009
Messages
12,010
Likes
45,100
There was this big fight between US and French during Iraq invasion in 2003.. Americans renamed French fries to Freedom fries .. But, ultimately they will make up.. :bplease:

France is very important piece which must act independently to check American grab of the market. Market monopoly means they will have huge room to play their geopolitical games, disruptions and run blackmail syndicate.

Like I said before Australia after Trump’s pulling out from TPP lost all the trust in him. Then Trump took on NATO allies publicly which made him even more unreliable. This whole saga can simply be explained by this analysis. Just to add I have been following these threads and reading opinions on Australian and NZ new papers since Trump got into the office.

Trump was popular domestically and the polarisation worked well for him. Australian must have made assessment on his winning second term but never realise Biden will gain power with election fraud. No third party was able to add this variable. India too took a risk and bet its money on his second term. Australia on the other hand saw it as negative and looked at France and Japan to get desired edge against China.

Coming back to current tussle Indians can stay neutral and simply watch the fall out or truce but we can not afford to dehumanise France.
 

hit&run

United States of Hindu Empire
Mod
Joined
May 29, 2009
Messages
12,010
Likes
45,100
BTW no analyst in India has made any credible point on this incident. They all are confused or too cynical to either paint a rosy picture or ominous. OTOH DFI members have done incredible job by bringing about a lot of information and examples to decipher it.
 

Global Defence

New threads

Articles

Top