QUAD; The Concert of Democracies for Trade, Security & Diplomacy

[mokoman]

Most of the ones that was spread as Japanese war crimes was Allied propaganda. There were indeed some questionable acts too, but those were on par with the ones done by America, Soviet Union and the rest. No country was singularly responsible for "war crimes" the way the Allies put it; that is solely the Axis powers were responsible for war crimes.

After the war was over, most incidents were falsified and generals were killed hurriedly. The few incidents that were real were ones that you will find done by any American or Russian regiment during and well-after World War 2. Afghanistan is the most credible example.

yea they did medical experiments on captured POW , women and children. filling up people with sea water to see when they will die , cutting open pregnant women and men while they were still alive , testing chemical weapons - pretty fucked up shit.

then there is the rape of nanjing . korean comfort women.

Japanese are right to be ashamed about their past , their dumb fuck generals and idiot emperor had their country nuked twice.

justification for US use of atom bomb was that if they didnt use nukes - war would have carried on , leading to more deaths.

 

[Tactical Doge]

yea they did medical experiments on captured POW , women and children. filling up people with sea water to see when they will die , cutting open pregnant women and men while they were still alive , testing chemical weapons - pretty fucked up shit.

then there is the rape of nanjing . korean comfort women.

Japanese are right to be ashamed about their past , their dumb fuck generals and idiot emperor had their country nuked twice.

justification for US use of atom bomb was that if they didnt use nukes - war would have carried on , leading to more deaths.

Americans nuked Japaani so they could do this...........

Recreation and Amusement Association - Wikipedia

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[Optimistic Nihilist]

yea they did medical experiments on captured POW , women and children. filling up people with sea water to see when they will die , cutting open pregnant women and men while they were still alive , testing chemical weapons - pretty fucked up shit.

then there is the rape of nanjing . korean comfort women.

Japanese are right to be ashamed about their past , their dumb fuck generals and idiot emperor had their country nuked twice.

justification for US use of atom bomb was that if they didnt use nukes - war would have carried on , leading to more deaths.

I think you are talking about Unit 731, which is absolutely correct. That department was created for lethal human experimentation, no justification there. But in the context of "World War 2 war crimes", the ones that are talked about are those that happened on the battlefield.

Because the Allies PARDONED Shiro Ishii and the people who worked under him in Unit 731 in exchange for him teaching the Americans his tactics which they went on to use themselves later. They ABSOLVED him and his team of any war crimes.

What they called and executed generals back then on was war crimes that they claimed had been committed on the physical battlefield. It is these ones that are mostly fabricated. The Nanjing Massacre, for example is highly exaggerated.

Shiro Ishii and his employees in Unit 731 are the ones who should have been hanged, but they were released while others were falsely prosecuted by the Allies.

And the war would have carried on if nukes weren't dropped is false too. Japan was willing to agree to a peace agreement before the first bomb dropped that would've ended the war, however America wanted "unconditional surrender." America also wanted to scare the USSR and punish Japan. So no, the bombs weren't necessary. Neither was an invasion of Japan. The war could've ended earlier saving hundreds of thousands of lives if the US wasn't so egotistical in wanting "unconditional surrender".

History is almost always written by the victors. Most of the times, you can take one incident and use it to claim other things are true as well and people accept together what they wouldn't accept separately.

 

[WARREN SS]

Funny as well as Concerning If true

Observations by
on Quad written Former PM

Paul Keating

The AUKUS agreement presents Australia as a defeatist nation

amp.smh.com.au

 

[jackprince]

justification for US use of atom bomb was that if they didnt use nukes - war would have carried on , leading to more deaths.

That's not a 'justification', that is an excuse. If you have killed civilians, you are a war criminal and if you killed civilians numbering hundreds of thousands, you are a vile rotten war criminal fit to be hanged.

But, of course such excuses work as justification for criminal imperialist Yankees because the victors write the history to suit their own narrative.

If tomorrow, a hundred nuclear bomb wipes off USA from the map of the world to supposedly limit the future wars and reducing prospective deaths, would that be justifiable?

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Observations by
on Quad written Former PM

Paul Keating

The AUKUS agreement presents Australia as a defeatist nation

amp.smh.com.au

Tell the Australian PM that India is only one which can fight against them.
Unlike the aussies we have a navy , a credible one at that plus japnese navy too is not weak either.
It is only India which has fought against china in last 80 years.

 

[hit&run]

Observations by
on Quad written Former PM

Paul Keating

The AUKUS agreement presents Australia as a defeatist nation

amp.smh.com.au

That idiot is living in his basement without sunlight. The Himalayan wall has been already breached and we are looking at PLA eye ball to eye ball. What a moron. Last time I read a paper on Australian war plans against Japan. They were happily surrendering everything above Brisbane.

 

[ezsasa]

Observations by
on Quad written Former PM

Paul Keating

The AUKUS agreement presents Australia as a defeatist nation

amp.smh.com.au

He is not wrong, but this is why QUAD is not being projected as military alliance.

but him and his foreign minister were arguing about AUKUS, and the old man dragged us into their internal debate.

The oped by aussie FM he is responding to..

Why Keating is wrong about AUKUS and Asia

Critics of the pact, like Paul Keating, disregard the many relationships outside the Anglosphere we are deepening.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

That idiot is living in his basement without sunlight. The Himalayan wall is already breached and we are looking at PLA eye ball to eye ball. What a moron. Last time I read a paper on Australian war plans against Japan. They were happily surrendering everything above Brisbane.

Give the paper, sirji

 

[Optimistic Nihilist]

That's not a 'justification', that is an excuse. If you have killed civilians, you are a war criminal and if you killed civilians numbering hundreds of thousands, you are a vile rotten war criminal fit to be hanged.

But, of course such excuses work as justification for criminal imperialist Yankees because the victors write the history to suit their own narrative.

If tomorrow, a hundred nuclear bomb wipes off USA from the map of the world to supposedly limit the future wars and reducing prospective deaths, would that be justifiable?

In addition to the fact that Japan had already expressed its desire for a peace agreement, making the need for dropping atomic bombs or invasion moot, the second atomic bombing, on Nagasaki, came only three days after the bombing of Hiroshima, when the devastation at Hiroshima had yet to be fully comprehended by the Japanese.

The lack of time between the bombings shows that the second bombing was unnecessary, genocidal even. If there was no need, then why?

Answer: To show the might of the American Nation to the Soviet Union. So that they would not try to cross the Allies.

In fact the Allies had planned an Operation called Operation Unthinkable to oust and remove the Soviets from Germany through military force barely after WW2 was over. Allied actions later in the war were all done to intimidate the Soviet Union.

 

[hit&run]

BTW who is this Dhruva Jaishankar?

Give the paper, sirji

2011 read, can not find. For consistency sake I have mentioned about it here at DFI. May be few old members can remember or I will search and see if I can find.

Correction: Against Japan in WW2.

 

[Optimistic Nihilist]

Observations by
on Quad written Former PM

Paul Keating

The AUKUS agreement presents Australia as a defeatist nation

amp.smh.com.au

Hidden in the line, "Up to the United States and mugs like us to bring the fight" is the tacit admission that these people are vassal states of USA. They are willing to sacrifice their troops to do the USA'S bidding.

It was evident in the Vietnam War when the then Aussie PM went to USA and declared full support for the Vietnam war chanting, "All the way with LBJ".

I guess receiving one humiliation in Vietnam was not enough that they brag about carrying out one again. India is not a nation of stupid, chest thumping people.

We choose our battles wisely, and make sure that our men never die in vain. And when we do fight(1947, 1965, 1971, 1999), we win.

 

[hit&run]

Hidden in the line, "Up to the United States and mugs like us to bring the fight" is the tacit admission that these people are vassal states of USA. They are willing to sacrifice their troops to do the USA'S bidding.

It was evident in the Vietnam War when the then Aussie PM went to USA and declared full support for the Vietnam war chanting, "All the way with LBJ".

I guess receiving one humiliation in Vietnam was not enough that they brag about carrying out one again. India is not a nation of stupid, chest thumping people.

We choose our battles wisely, and make sure that our men never die in vain. And when we do fight(1947, 1965, 1971, 1999), we win.

I wrote it here at DFI that Australia is crawling with Chinese spies. They are everywhere. The whole campaign agains Adani coal is sponsored by Chinese assets in Australia. I will be not surprised if many such article will be written to create doubt among ordinary joes. If you read the language carefully it is same like a Chinese troll on a Pakistani forum.

 

[notaname]

BTW who is this Dhruva Jaishankar?

EAM's son.

Dhruva Jaishankar

Dhruva Jaishankar is Executive Director of the Observer Research Foundation America (ORF America) . He is also a Non-Resident Fel...

dhruvajaishankar.blogspot.com

Dhruva Jaishankar - Google Search

 

[Optimistic Nihilist]

I wrote it here at DFI that Australia is crawling with Chinese spies. They are everywhere. The whole campaign agains Adani coal is sponsored by Chinese assets in Australia. I will be not surprised if many such article will be written to create doubt among ordinary joes. If you read the language carefully it is same like a Chinese troll on a Pakistani forum.

Highly probable. The West was good, but they were never a match for the KGB and other Communist spy agencies as far as infiltration and subversion was concerned.

Seeing as the Western countries are more vulnerable to leftist ideologies than at any time in history, it would make it very easy for China to create pliable assets and puppets in both high and low places in enemy countries.

 

[hit&run]

Chinese will never grow balls to attack any Anglo nation especially Australia which is magnet for its citizens who flock towards its shores in thousands every year.

Just few minutes ago on another thread I talked about Chinese cognitive block and behaviour which gives them a diabolic trait to hate Indians with contempt. Their suicidal tendencies, numbness and impunity to unsettle us will soon escalate into a major war.

Quad, NAM, NATO, UN or any numb-nut with saviour complex will never stand with us other than lip service. India knows it very well. Australian clowns are free to opt out. India do not need their patronisation. India is the only country who is standing against PLA bullying and calling out Xi Jinping’s bluff.

 

[hit&run]

EAM's son.

Dhruva Jaishankar

Dhruva Jaishankar is Executive Director of the Observer Research Foundation America (ORF America) . He is also a Non-Resident Fel...

dhruvajaishankar.blogspot.com

Dhruva Jaishankar - Google Search

Looks like a digital coolie who relay messages but do not have gall to respond. His father seems to have got all the best brain cells. Quite a normal biological phenomenon when highest IQ is achieved the next one comes out to be dumb.

 

[ezsasa]

Looks like a digital coolie who rely messages but do not have gall to respond. His father seems to have got all the best brain cells. Quite a normal biological phenomenon when highest IQ is achieved the next one comes out to be dumb.

Not exactly a digital coolie, below are his academic papers.

Google Scholar

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[Mikesingh]

After France getting annoyed for being left out of AUKUS...

The US has apologized to France and will likely bring them into AUKUS.

Australia will be replaced and so the new alliance will then be known as FUKUS.

If Australia stays, then it becomes FUK-USA.

If Canada joins, it will be known as CAN-FUK-USA.

If India joins it becomes I-CAN-FUK-USA.



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[hit&run]

Not exactly a digital coolie, below are his academic papers.

Google Scholar

scholar.google.co.in

Total 21 papers cum articles, many co-authored and referenced from others authors; couple of them with disclaimers.

Read through 3. Found it to be mundane. Couldn’t understand what he meant by soft nuclear deterrence. Paper on think tank is a high school drop out essay.

Papper on bilateral relationships looks like father’s travel dairy.

I wonder how much father clout worked for him to fit in those places giving him space?

DFI threads on many topics he has covered are more interesting and relevant.

Quoting from one of his papers.

India and Japan can also better coordinate development efforts in third countries, such as in Myanmar, Bangladesh, Iran, Afghanistan, Central Asia, and East Africa. Secondly, while maritime cooperation is continuing apace, interoperability can still be improved between the two countries’ emerging maritime expeditionary forces and air forces. The US, through its Marine Corps and multinational Red Flag air exercises, can facilitate such cooperation.

The Japan-India partnership has already witnessed remarkable progress. The two countries are now involved in ever closer consultations and coordination. If important structural constraints can be navigated, the upward trajectory in India and Japan security ties can easily be sustained. That, in turn, would help preserve a stable balance of power in the Indo-Pacific.

Does it make any sense?

Japan has joined China lead trade alliance, BRI, opted for strategic realignment disciplined by Chinese trade deficit and valued strategic convergence whereas his father is endorsing trade viability and sovereignty compulsion.