Putin's Interview to CBS before coming to UN Sep 2015

[pmaitra]

I'm not going to explain linguistic difference. You are a fan. Shit you call ice cream, if they say Putin.

Ok, as you please. I will ask someone else. Maybe @Vlaad can help.

 

[Akim]

Ok, as you please. I will ask someone else. Maybe @Vlaad can help.

Bulgaria was the tsar. In Serbia there was a tsar too. But they were not emperors.

 

[apple]

Ha ha ha. Putinator .
BTW, dhy do the american channels take such interviews. I thought all american channels are prostitutes for their govt . strange

Watch part 2 .... the reporter tries personal questions and gets slapped
They are prostitutes of their govt.

High level media analysis from the forum's brightest sparks again.

If it meant making a dollar, or a 0.1% increase in their ratings, NBC would come out with the most anti government filth imaginable.

NBC, and all the western media are prostitutes, prostitutes to market forces. The fundamentals of capitalism seem a bit beyond some people.

Putin is a big liar. In 2014 from Russia emigrated more than 300 thousand people. Leave not homeless and alcoholics. Leaves the color of the nation (scholars, intellectuals, politicians, businessmen).

Don't Putin's own daughters live in the Netherlands and Korea with their foreign husbands?

 

[Rowdy]

High level media analysis from the forum's brightest sparks again.

If it meant making a dollar, or a 0.1% increase in their ratings, NBC would come out with the most anti government filth imaginable.

NBC, and all the western media are prostitutes, prostitutes to market forces. The fundamentals of capitalism seem a bit beyond some people.



Don't Putin's own daughters live in the Netherlands and Korea with their foreign husbands?

Man relax.... we enjoy putin ... I love how he rolls.... He's got that IDGF attitude and he just about pulled a checkmate in Syria ....
His daughters are cute
Here is putin at his best @Mad Indian

 

[Akim]

Don't Putin's own daughters live in the Netherlands and Korea with their foreign husbands?

Already got them from there. Daughter Lavrov also moved from New York to Moscow. However, still Russian politicians prefer to relax and treated in the West.

 

[Mad Indian]

High level media analysis from the forum's brightest sparks again.

High level of poodling from american lapdog as usual

If it meant making a dollar, or a 0.1% increase in their ratings, NBC would come out with the most anti government filth imaginable.

More than making a dollar, they have to first survive there which would mean not earning the wrath of their govts.

We all know what kind of reptiles western govts are. As I already said, this is a neutral forum and so don't expect us to take your propaganda at face value. We have long been on the receiving end of these reptiles and know exactly what these filth spew

NBC, and all the western media are prostitutes, prostitutes to market forces. The fundamentals of capitalism seem a bit beyond some people.

US is not purely capitalist and hence this argument is null before you even made it. Seems like brainwashed poodles can't understand that even if the facts are staring at their face.

 

[Mad Indian]

American media is so free , to the point of editing out and outright removing the parts of the interview which is damaging to their govt

What were the poodles peddling again?

 

[pmaitra]

‘Do You Realize What You Have Done?’ — West Should Ponder Putin’s Question
Putin’s conservative statism is far from perfect, but compared with American ‘permanent revolution’ it is looking quite good as a basis for international order

Paul Robinson | (Irrussianality) | Russia Insider


Wants to revert damage to international relations done by US exceptionalism

This article originally appeared at Irrussianality

This morning, as world leaders prepared to address the United Nations General Assembly, in Afghanistan the Taleban stormed the city of Kunduz. If the Islamic State’s capture of the Iraqi city of Mosul last year wasn’t evidence enough of a failure of American foreign and military policy, the loss of Kunduz surely is.

Speaking to the UN, Russia’s president Vladimir Putin made it clear that he believes that the Americans have only themselves to blame.

The strength of the United Nations, Putin said, comes from taking different points of view into consideration. Unfortunately, following the collapse of the Soviet Union, those ‘at the top of the pyramid’ (i.e. the USA and its allies) felt that they knew best and did not need to bother with what others thought or with the UN.

As a result, they weakened the rule of international law. Putin implied that the chaos engulfing much of the Middle East and Central Asia was entirely the Americans’ fault (he carefully avoided mentioning the United States by name, but it was clear whom he was talking about).

Putin complained that the West has decided that its values and systems are universally valid. This isn’t true, he said. Rather, ‘We are all different, and one should respect that. No one has to conform to a single development model.’ Western states have promoted revolution in countries such as Syria, Libya, and Ukraine. The consequences have been catastrophic. According to Putin:

The export of revolution … continues. … How did it actually turn out? … brazen destruction of national institutions … violence, poverty, and social disaster. … I cannot help asking those who caused this situation, ‘Do you realize what you have done?’​

The West, Putin argued, has created ‘anarchy areas,’ which immediately filled up with militants and terrorists. Worse, Western states have actively supported some of these militants. The Islamic State ‘did not just come from nowhere’.

The United States imagines that it is manipulating the terrorist organizations which it sponsors in countries such as Syria to advance its own goals, and that it can jettison those organizations once they have served their purpose. But the terrorists are clever people, and ‘you never know who is manipulating whom.’ Arming them, as the USA has done in Syria, is ‘hazardous’ and will only lead to even more terrorism.

‘We can no longer tolerate what is happening in the world,’ Putin continued, calling for the creation of ‘a genuinely broad international coalition against terrorism.’ Russia will therefore use its upcoming presidency of the UN Security Council to try to broker a resolution to coordinate the efforts of all nations fighting terrorism in the Middle East, he declared. But Putin added a catch – such a coalition has to rest upon the UN Charter.

In other words, it must respect the sovereignty of states. That means supporting Assad, and refusing to support the revolutionary groups which seek regime change by force. More generally, it means abandoning the export of revolution, whether it be in the Middle East or elsewhere, such as in Ukraine, where, Putin said, American had sponsored a ‘military coup,’ the inevitable consequence of which was ‘civil war.’

In a section of his speech dealing with international trade, Putin complained that, ‘The rules of the game have been changed in favour of a narrow group with special privileges.’ This pretty much sums up his view of what it is wrong with the current international order.

Putin challenges the existing ‘rules of the game,’ but only because he believes that since the end of the Cold War somebody else has rewritten them without consulting the rest of the world. He wants to take them back to what they were originally supposed to be when the United Nations was founded in 1945, and to create a truly multilateral world order, based upon respect for difference and recognition of all states as independent and equal. This is at heart quite a conservative vision.

As the Taleban flag flies over Kunduz tonight, the West should ponder Putin’s question, ‘Do you realize what you have done?’ Putin’s conservative statism is far from perfect, but compared with American ‘permanent revolution’ it is looking quite good as a basis for international order.

 

[Yumdoot]

Putin’s question, ‘Do you realize what you have done?’

Putin’s conservative statism is far from perfect, but compared with American ‘permanent revolution’ it is looking quite good as a basis for international order.

Every imbecile imagines himself a great krantikaari and Protestants have forever known how to use this urge.

The real "Airlift of Evil / Kunduz Airlift" was also negotiated by these Americans. If tomorrow our people die it is only going to be so because of these Americans. Even at that time our people were behaving just like they do today - Singing paeans about American war on terror.

 

[pmaitra]

Every imbecile imagines himself a great krantikaari and Protestants have forever known how to use this urge.

The real "Airlift of Evil / Kunduz Airlift" was also negotiated by these Americans. If tomorrow our people die it is only going to be so because of these Americans. Even at that time our people were behaving just like they do today - Singing paeans about American war on terror.

The sad part is, we are still battling terrorists in Kashmir, a spillover of US/Saudi/Pakistani plans to counter the USSR in Afghanistan. It is sad that few people display such servility, and have no self loathing while being so servile.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

The sad part is, we are still battling terrorists in Kashmir, a spillover of US/Saudi/Pakistani plans to counter the USSR in Afghanistan. It is sad that few people display such servility, and have no self loathing while being so servile.

Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir was evident form 1950s but not widespread and was directly undertaken by Pakistani military and para-military just like they did in Kargil. Even 1965 war was started because of such insurgent and guerrilla activities. Only in late 1980s it became widely popular in civilian ranks due to easy availability of mujahideen and we started to hear about it.
Even before 1980s their were few disgruntled Kashmiris who acted against the Indian establishment only their number increased during 1980s

 

[Yumdoot]

Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir was evident form 1950s but not widespread and was directly undertaken by Pakistani military and para-military just like they did in Kargil. Even 1965 war was started because of such insurgent and guerrilla activities. Only in late 1980s it became widely popular in civilian ranks due to easy availability of mujahideen and we started to hear about it.
Even before 1980s their were few disgruntled Kashmiris who acted against the Indian establishment only their number increased during 1980s

That is pure unadulterated American bull.

Forget the 50s, even in 1965 the Pakis under American influence, fresh learnings of bay of pigs , decided to launch Operation Gibralter. The locals in Kashmir, helped quell the so called insurgency of 65.

Even today the Paki bombings kill a lot of muslims who live right upto the international borders alongwith hindus.

The best the Pakis could do was in 1989 when they still had full support of Americans for such things. That too has been defeated.

 

[pmaitra]

Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir was evident form 1950s but not widespread and was directly undertaken by Pakistani military and para-military just like they did in Kargil. Even 1965 war was started because of such insurgent and guerrilla activities. Only in late 1980s it became widely popular in civilian ranks due to easy availability of mujahideen and we started to hear about it.
Even before 1980s their were few disgruntled Kashmiris who acted against the Indian establishment only their number increased during 1980s

Even the 1948 invasion involved predominantly Poonchi and Mirpuri tribesmen. The involvement of Pakistani military in terms of personnel was very minimal.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Even the 1948 invasion involved predominantly Poonchi and Mirpuri tribesmen. The involvement of Pakistani military in terms of personnel was very minimal.

We should thank them for that else we would have lost even more land.
The so called freedom fighters started plundering and the local population turned against them.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

That is pure unadulterated American bull.

Forget the 50s, even in 1965 the Pakis under American influence, fresh learnings of bay of pigs , decided to launch Operation Gibralter. The locals in Kashmir, helped quell the so called insurgency of 65.

Even today the Paki bombings kill a lot of muslims who live right upto the international borders alongwith hindus.

The best the Pakis could do was in 1989 when they still had full support of Americans for such things. That too has been defeated.

How is it any different than what I said!!! Before 1989 Pakistani military and para-military carried out operation in disguise. During late 1980s Pakistanis outsourced this activity to mujahideen since they were cheap, disposable and have possibility of denial. The movement got momentum for some time due to participations of misguided Kashmiri youth.

 

[Yumdoot]

How is it any different than what I said!!! Before 1989 Pakistani military and para-military carried out operation in disguise. During late 1980s Pakistanis outsourced this activity to mujahideen since they were cheap, disposable and have possibility of denial. The movement got momentum for some time due to participations of misguided Kashmiri youth.

To above I agree.

I don't agree to this:

Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir was evident form 1950s but not widespread and was directly undertaken by Pakistani military and para-military just like they did in Kargil. Even 1965 war was started because of such insurgent and guerrilla activities.

Why?

Because for 65 here is the real Indian version with highly reliable Indian army personnel telling with full details of the whole ops planning by Pakis, that:
http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/sep/19war.htm

In fact, most infiltrating columns were detected and interdicted before they could carry out their intended plans. The information came from none others than Kashmiri Muslims themselves, who in general did not respond to the call of liberation and resented Pakistan's armed intrusion.

Thus till 65 and well into 80s not much support for Pakis even among the Valley muslims.

For 48 mess esp. the Mirpur Massacre (26.10.1947) the correct timelines and battlelines also show that it was essentially the Muslim Deserters of the British Indian Army, who wanted to be with Pakis in any case, were the main instigators. And these deserters had joined up with Kabaylis lead by Paki Army Officers, just 4 days before, totally changing the balance of forces in present day POK in those days.
http://panunkashmir.org/kashmirsentinel/pdf/2007/nov2007.pdf

On 22nd Oct 1947 it was joined by Mirpuri-Punchi deserters of the 4 J&K infantry at Domel, the town of Muzzafrabad was ransacked and the tribal force advanced towards Uri- Baramula. The Maharaja finally realizing the situation evacuated Srinagar on the night of 25.10.47 reaching Jammu on the morning of 26th and signed the instrument of accession and Indian troops were flown from Delhi to Srinagar the first batch of 3 rifle companies and battalion HQs of the 1st Sikhs under Col. D. R. Rai landed at Srinagar on 27th morning at 9. 30 AM, further sub units of the 1st Sikh followed.

General tribals even if Muslims can do jack shit. There are infact reports that a lot of these so called tribals had began going back after initial loot-khasot. Tribals without intent and training cannot be as lethal as the Mirpur Massacre actually turned out.

Thus even in 48, within Kashmir that was in Indian hands there was virtually no support for Pakis. Muslims of Kashmir perhaps may have liked to be with Pakistan but they did not obviously like it enough to cause trouble within the area that we held.

That is why the need to cleanse the world of Paki Army. It is a part of the British Indian Army for all practical purposes even today.