Protests in Karachi, Islamabad, Faisalabad, Lahore

[Screambowl]

sound like either "Bajwa not from right sect" is either stages or it's possible some Lt. Gen o major gen + deepstate/ISI behind this movement

Musharraf kind of deep state persona. He had his chaploos around. Just find out who is the next to Bajwa in 4 stars

 

[Flame Thrower]

What a mess would Arab Armies be if they have to hire Pakistan which has got fckd in every war with India.

I think that would be perfect as Arabs are not hiring Pak army to fight against Indian army.

Yemen has become Vietnam of KSA. KSA is in need of people taking bullets.

Sirji, PA is well trained than Yemen rebels. It is also willing to take casualties.

PA will be motivated as they will feel as saviors of Arab.

HR will not catch hold of KSA for all the wrong doings in Yemen. All of this will come at a cost of few $billion.

Pak generals can fill their pockets, PA will get hardware from USA as Pak is fighting KSA war in Yemen.

Pak civilians can thump their chest against Indians due to $ coming from KSA, weapons from USA and Pak victories in Yemen(PA is not shit, will at least win few battles in Yemen war; enough for ISPR to publish their supremacy over Yemen rebels).

The way I see it as Win-Win-Win situation for all the parties.

Funny thing is( if I remember correctly) KSA asked PA to join it's fight. Pak stayed neutral (maybe enough $ wasn't offered in the first place)

Thus I rest my case.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I think that would be perfect as Arabs are not hiring Pak army to fight against Indian army.

Yemen has become Vietnam of KSA. KSA is in need of people taking bullets.

Sirji, PA is well trained than Yemen rebels. It is also willing to take casualties.

PA will be motivated as they will feel as saviors of Arab.

HR will not catch hold of KSA for all the wrong doings in Yemen. All of this will come at a cost of few $billion.

Pak generals can fill their pockets, PA will get hardware from USA as Pak is fighting KSA war in Yemen.

Pak civilians can thump their chest against Indians due to $ coming from KSA, weapons from USA and Pak victories in Yemen(PA is not shit, will at least win few battles in Yemen war; enough for ISPR to publish their supremacy over Yemen rebels).

The way I see it as Win-Win-Win situation for all the parties.

Funny thing is( if I remember correctly) KSA asked PA to join it's fight. Pak stayed neutral (maybe enough $ wasn't offered in the first place)

Thus I rest my case.

Because the thing is that Pakistan is not the best Army even in the Muslim world.

But the thing is they are like mercenaries who fight for money.

They have twice in the past created enemies who they could have been friends with ie Israel and Russia.

 

[Kshithij]

Because the thing is that Pakistan is not the best Army even in the Muslim world.

But the thing is they are like mercenaries who fight for money.

They have twice in the past created enemies who they could have been friends with ie Israel and Russia.

Turkey is the best army in the muslim world. But, Turkey army has lot of USA moles and have "secular" elements. Pakistani army is filled with Jihadis who are highly motivated in the name of islam.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Turkey is the best army in the muslim world. But, Turkey army has lot of USA moles and have "secular" elements. Pakistani army is filled with Jihadis who are highly motivated in the name of islam.

Id say top 3 Muslim world Armies
1. TURKEY
2. EGYPT
3. IRAN

 

[Willy2]

Seems ppl underestimate capacity of Algeria and Morocco ....they are be far the best Arabic army ,atleast on paper.
also battle agaisnt ISIS made Iraqi army far stronger than any of it's past version . They just roll over Peshmerga force sand liberate their cities within a month

 

[Kshithij]

Id say top 3 Muslim world Armies
1. TURKEY
2. EGYPT
3. IRAN

Egypt is not second. Pakistan is second. Egypt is pretty wasteful and weak. It was strong once upon a time but lost its respect in arab world after 1973 defeat. It also lost many arab friends afterwards and hence received lower funds.

Pakistan received lots of funds, training from USA and Saudi Arabia for Afghanistan war in 1980s and then in 2000s.

Turkey is number one due to the vast amount of technology with them despite not having nuclear weapons. Pakistan has nuclear weapons and ballistic missile but has no other technology. So, I have chosen Turkey as number one. Turkey can also make nuclear weapons by 2030 if they start their nuclear weapons program in 2020 as they already have technical manpower. China too developed the bomb in 15 years (back when technology was primitive). USA developed in 5 years and ao did USSR. So, developing nuke is the only thing turkey needs to do for beating Pakistan comprehensively

Seems ppl underestimate capacity of Algeria and Morocco ....they are be far the best Arabic army ,atleast on paper.
also battle agaisnt ISIS made Iraqi army far stronger than any of it's past version . They just roll over Peshmerga force sand liberate their cities within a month

Morocco and Algeria are not strong. They also have smaller populations. You may like their bravery over pakistan, but they are weak due to their small size and inferior technology.

 

[nongaddarliberal]

Turkey is the best army in the muslim world. But, Turkey army has lot of USA moles and have "secular" elements. Pakistani army is filled with Jihadis who are highly motivated in the name of islam.

Turkish army itself is secular. One of the roles that Ataturk bequeathed to the Turkish army was to do a coup every time the civilian government turned Islamist. They consistently used to bring turkey back to the secular path, but they failed miserably with Erdogan. This is assuming the recent coup wasn't orchestrated by erdogan himself to consolidate power.

 

[Kshithij]

Turkish army itself is secular. One of the roles that Ataturk bequeathed to the Turkish army was to do a coup every time the civilian government turned Islamist. They consistently used to bring turkey back to the secular path, but they failed miserably with Erdogan. This is assuming the recent coup wasn't orchestrated by erdogan himself to consolidate power.

Youbare seriously mistaken. Just like Nehru was installed by British because Hindus back then were retarded, British installed Ataturk after defeating OTTOMAN empire completely in WW1.

Ottoman empire didn't have arma manufacturing abilities and small population which could not resist the combined allied forces.

 

[nongaddarliberal]

Youbare seriously mistaken. Just like Nehru was installed by British because Hindus back then were retarded, British installed Ataturk after defeating OTTOMAN empire completely in WW1.

Ottoman empire didn't have arma manufacturing abilities and small population which could not resist the combined allied forces.

Doesn't change the fact that the Turkish army had been intervening whenever the country was turning Islamist before. The point is that the institution itself is secular. Or rather, was secular. Don't know where it's going now.

 

[Willy2]

Youbare seriously mistaken. Just like Nehru was installed by British because Hindus back then were retarded, British installed Ataturk after defeating OTTOMAN empire completely in WW1.

Britishers never want Attaturk in Asia Minor , they want weak sultan there is Constantinople .Attaturk just save the country from utter disaster .
India-Nehru have nothing similar with Turkey-Attaturk . Nehru is a self-hating closet Britisher , while attaturk was a nationalist who never back down from doing good for his nation ,even he murder kurds-Greeks-Armenisn coldbloodedly to ensure nations integrity.
Attaturk saw the result of indigenous islmaist govt infront of his eyes and realize that they were backward due to mullas so crackdown those forces .If he was british agent he would liekly to allow Armenia-kurd-greeks to have their share in Turkish land

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Guys,

Why you NO give respect to Malaysian and Indonesian Armies..very good SF they have!

Turkey i agree is the best Muslim Army..very good SF they have.

 

[Kshithij]

Doesn't change the fact that the Turkish army had been intervening whenever the country was turning Islamist before. The point is that the institution itself is secular. Or rather, was secular. Don't know where it's going now.

Britishers never want Attaturk in Asia Minor , they want weak sultan there is Constantinople .Attaturk just save the country from utter disaster .
India-Nehru have nothing similar with Turkey-Attaturk . Nehru is a self-hating closet Britisher , while attaturk was a nationalist who never back down from doing good for his nation ,even he murder kurds-Greeks-Armenisn coldbloodedly to ensure nations integrity.
Attaturk saw the result of indigenous islmaist govt infront of his eyes and realize that they were backward due to mullas so crackdown those forces .If he was british agent he would liekly to allow Armenia-kurd-greeks to have their share in Turkish land

Ataturk was installed by foreign powers by supplying him with arms and ammunition. As soon as the Ottoman was defeated, several secret society sprang up consisting of officials, princes and clerics. There were several rebellions and many campaigns across the Islamic countries including India from 1919 itself. The Khilafat movement started in 1919 in India, for example. The western powers saw that it was impossible to control this if they don't play dirty game and install Ataturk as the head.

Ataturk had to gain popularity by winning wars to placate the population and hence the western powers even supplied him with arms. It was otherwise impossible for Ataturk to have won against Armenians as Ottoman didn't have any arms manufacturing. Clearly, someone wanted him to win. This is a really big question mark

He abolished Arabic script and got a new script. He also abolished Caliphate by great drama. First he separated the sultanate from Caliphate and then abolished both in 2 years. The coups in Turkey which used to take so often and Turkey's inclusion in NATO speaks of how deeply the Allies had penetrated into Turkish forces.

Calling Ataturk as a hero is only a narrative. There are glaring loopholes into the narration as I mentioned above

 

[Kshithij]

Guys,

Why you NO give respect to Malaysian and Indonesian Armies..very good SF they have!

Turkey i agree is the best Muslim Army..very good SF they have.

Because they are not strong enough. They have little technology in navy, airforce, army etc

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Because they are not strong enough. They have little technology in navy, airforce, army etc

Well apart from nukes Pak has nothing.

I wont rate SSG over Indonesian/Malay SF and very very far from Turks.

 

[Kshithij]

Well apart from nukes Pak has nothing.

I wont rate SSG over Indonesian/Malay SF and very very far from Turks.

Pakistan has ballistic missiles too. In addition, they have some 2nd generation ATGM, MANPADS

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Pakistan has ballistic missiles too. In addition, they have some 2nd generation ATGM, MANPADS

I think they are sought after in Muslim world only coz of nukes otherwise they are jokes of the muslim world.Very badly treated are its people in Muslim country only.

 

[eTutors]

It seems Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority temporarily bans all TV channel in Pakistan. This is a new phenomenon now, whenever things get out of hand close all channels.

 

[Lonewolf]

It seems Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority temporarily bans all TV channel in Pakistan. This is a new phenomenon now, whenever things get out of hand close all channels.

@ezsasa do the honor of background check