Project P15B Visakhapatnam class destroyer

[Adm Kenobi]

He is not a substitute for 052b. At that time, because China did not have enough funds and technology, it did not have the ability to build a large number of destroyers.
The weapons and radars of 053h3 and 052 are roughly the same, and can quickly replace old ships
It should be difficult for Indians to understand this logic. At that time, Taiwan could become independent at any time, and it needed to quickly replenish modern ships. Time is everything. You can say that China has 052C/D in two years, and there is no need for so many 053h3. But if tomorrow When war breaks out, we need a modern navy to escort the landing fleet
The same goes for the Su 30mk of the Air Force, we can wait a few years to get the same fighter as the Su 30mkI, but we can't wait

1. You were the one who said "Well, I must have misremembered, it should be a replacement for Type 052B"

2. 053H3' radar & weapons are not "roughly the same" as 052B, the only *major* similarity is the use of same AShM.

3. The time period you talked about in your previous post- "performance of the 053h3 frigates in the 1990-2000 period was not out of date". FYI 053H3 were commissioned in *late* 1990s & half were commissioned in early-mid 2000s. Referring it as 1990-2000 would be hardly correct.

4. 053H3 weren't a replacement for the destroyer series (051s & 052s) as you have mentioned it to be in your previous posts.

5. I'm not talking about the feasibility of 053H3 in PLAN during that time period, but you saying it is a replacement for the limited production of 052B. It's not a replacement for limited production of 052B but a different project with a different size and **different role**.

I'd suggest reading this conversation from the beginning before replying.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

That is again main purpose i for GSAT 7R communication and comINT satellite not an EO satellite . perposed EO will assist entire CBG is yet to launch it will be a hybrid satellite specialy dedicated to CBG.

In any hot-war scenario all space based resources will be left to monitor enemy activity. It won't matter if its a navy satellite of not.
Almost all Indian satellite have EO capability be it communication satellite or EO satellite.

 

[RocketMan]

Yes he shared it.

Thank you for sharing this Kenobi. I will always be your apprentice forever. Together we can fight the dark side.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Porkis are subhumans . They squat on our stolen Hindu land . They must be annihilated .

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Use an appropriate thread for all this stuff buddy.

 

[RocketMan]

Use an appropriate thread for all this stuff buddy.

Agreeable !

 

[Swesh]

In any hot-war scenario all space based resources will be left to monitor enemy activity. It won't matter if its a navy satellite of not.
Almost all Indian satellite have EO capability be it communication satellite or EO satellite.

Bro i keep a fucking catalogue of payload on those satellites what sensor they use and which institute has built it also research paper for thereof. I can give you list of payload sensor of GSAT 7r not in public . No all Indian satellite don't have EO capability and in order to assist CBG you need more than just a delayed or recorded photo or vedio. Which most of of our EO offer right now.

 

[Swesh]

Isro to build 2nd dedicated satellite for Navy to interlink warships, aircraft | India News - Times of India

India News: NEW DELHI: The Navy will get its second dedicated communication-cum-surveillance satellite by 2022 to keep tabs on the critical Indian Ocean Region an.

m.timesofindia.com

 

[Super Flanker]

INS Visakhapatnam has nothing to do with regards to Russia in relation to its design. The design of INS Visakhapatnam is "Indian" and it is more than 60-70 percent indian in terms of Indigenous content.

AK-630 is Manufactured in India itself with more than 90 Percent Indigenisation.

Another thing I want to add here. The Main gun of the ship which is an Auto Melara 76mm SRGM is also Manufactured in India under licence.

The Ship's Fire Control System, all Electronic decoys and CMS are all developed and produced in India.

AFAIK, there is only 1 Visakhapatnam class Destroyer in Active service. 4 ships of the class are to be built which brings a question to my mind. Will each ship Come with more Indigenisation as compared to previous?

Like INS Visakhapatnam has 72 Percent Indigenisation, will INS Mormugao which is the 2nd ship of the class have more Indigenisation or will all vessels of the class have the same percentage of Indigenisation?

 

[Adm Kenobi]

I would have been satisfied with the 39 capital ship number if we had only one side to be worried about, but we have adversaries affecting both are seaboards ie east is China and the West is Pakistan.

If we could just raise our sanctioned number to 50 capital ships as 39 capital ships are enough to handle the force China may send our way (they have to deal with other navies also namely South Korean, Japanese Navy and not to mention the US navy so they may send max 40 - 45 capital ships our way to maintain superiority and keep the 50+ ships to face them to maintain a defensive posture the same time) and keep the remaining 11 on our western seaboard to take care of Pak navy and these both sides our ships can also be supplemented with our air power , which may provide some balance in our force structure....

I will say that you have overestimated PLAN' capability to project power far from its' backyard.

In fact, their North Sea fleet will still be competing for dominance in its' area of responsibility in 2040 given the huge existing & planned build up by JMSDF & ROK Navy. They will not only be outnumbering PLAN North Sea fleet but also outgunning them.

The East Sea fleet (of PLAN) will be in a better situation compared to North & South Sea fleet. South Sea fleet has to cope with the US shift to Pacific, & a rising Indonesia.
Rising Indonesia can also be a problem for us if not taken care of, keeping the friendly relations will be good.

39 capital ships (15 modern DDG & 24 modern FFG) coupled with the NGCs, NGMVs etcetera..we can defend our territories & interests in the IOR.
We are surrounded by weak nations with a weak navy (Pak Navy is modernising at a good pace but they still can't match the force Indian Navy' Western fleet can bring in the theatre.

As for PRC, the 50 capital ship you mentioned is **huge** & is not a scenario that is going to play out in the real world (even in 2040).
The best PRC can send in the late 2030s is a tandem carrier battle group (2 CATOBAR carriers & some 20-25 capital ships escorting the force in the best case scenario). To counter that you'll first need long range strike platforms (aircrafts are the best in this) & a good number of those.

A&N is poorly developed for the potential it offers, no permanent air base even in 2020s...even with the permanent air base in A&N you can only put some 1-2 sq of strike aircrafts (2 in the best-best case scenario). A movable air base would be good to assist the ANC
A proper carrier capable of producing enough sorties paired with its' own escorts (from Indian Navy' Eastern fleet) + the Andaman&Nicobar Command can take care of a PLAN task force including tandem carriers!

39 capital ships are good for defensive posture, though I agree that govt should sanction more. Because with just 39 sanctioned..we would probably not have all 39 in service because the Vizag-Rajput saga is bound to happen to matter what.

 

[Adm Kenobi]

Will each ship Come with more Indigenisation as compared to previous?

Like INS Visakhapatnam has 72 Percent Indigenisation, will INS Mormugao which is the 2nd ship of the class have more Indigenisation or will all vessels of the class have the same percentage of Indigenisation?

That would be the case if the production run was longer than what it is for Vizag, & 72% is for Visakhapatnam Class, not just INS Visakhapatnam. There might be some increment in the indigenous content but not major ones as no "major" system is going to be "replaced" with an Indian one in the subsequent sister ships to INS Visakhapatnam.

Some can be expected, like a percent or two, which would likely come from increased indigenous content of license production of foreign subsystems (which usually increases as the production continues) & addition of systems such as VL-SRSAM or UVLM which is more likely to come in a refit rather than the time of commissioning.

 

[rohit b3]

Recent pic of INS Surat before launch.
A lot of work on the super structure seems to have been completed. I suppose MDL is finally use true Modular construction methods...the way it is meant to.

 

[Adm Kenobi]

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Recent pic of INS Surat before launch.
A lot of work on the super structure seems to have been completed. I suppose MDL is finally use true Modular construction methods...the way it is meant to.

A pic of INS Visakhapatnam' (D66) launch in 2015-
The bridge wasn't completed during its' launch, but Surat (D69) has it, nice
Expect to see similar thing in Udaygiri, some parts of the hangar (i don't have the pic yet)

Pic 1- Visakhapatnam/D66
Pic 2- Mormugao/D67
Pic 3- Imphal/D68

 

[Super falcon]

Vishakapatnam is a ace destroyers of indian navy

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Vishakapatnam is a ace destroyers of indian navy

If you spam once more, you will be in a big problem young man.

 

[Super falcon]

If you spam once more, you will be in a big problem young man.

Did I said anything wrong

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Did I said anything wrong

You can't write anything for sake of bumping thread only. This thread is much beyond and into Vizag class' technical specifications. No one needs to be told that Vizag would be front line battleship of India.

 

[swapcv]

You can't write anything for sake of bumping thread only. This thread is much beyond and into Vizag class' technical specifications. No one needs to be told that Vizag would be front line battleship of India.

With respect Sir, the term battleship is now an outmoded term. A more appropriate term would be "our most premier Surface combatant aka large Warship other than a LPD/CV". Gone are the days when formidable gunned warships such as the Iowa's once ruled the waves and were head turners at any Fleet Review or Harbor visit.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

With respect Sir, the term battleship is now an outmoded term. A more appropriate term would be "our most premier Surface combatant aka large Warship other than a LPD/CV". Gone are the days when formidable gunned warships such as the Iowa's once ruled the waves and were head turners at any Fleet Review or Harbor visit.

It is a ship for battles. Wouldn't that be enough for me to justify?

 

[Photon]

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Recent pic of INS Surat before launch.
A lot of work on the super structure seems to have been completed. I suppose MDL is finally use true Modular construction methods...the way it is meant to.

Because most of its works were done by a private shipyard in Gujarat and later transferred it to MDL, means MDL now outsourcing some work. I guess navy also want it as early as possible to withdraw old Kashins from frontline. Similarly Garden reach shipbuilders also outsourced Nilgiri program work to L&T reduce time.

 

[Dharani]

Because most of its works were done by a private shipyard in Gujarat and later transferred it to MDL, means MDL now outsourcing some work. I guess navy also want it as early as possible to withdraw old Kashins from frontline. Similarly Garden reach shipbuilders also outsourced Nilgiri program work to L&T reduce time.

Any source for GRSE outsourcing P17A to L&T. I've only heard this about the ASW-SWC & Survey Vessels.