Project P15B Visakhapatnam class destroyer

[Super Flanker]

Vishakhapatnam is Indian design, Ukrainian engine, Israeli Air defence, rest all Indian components. How it is a tech transfer from Russia? There is nothing Russian on that ship besides Rbu6000 and Ak630.

Why would India buy US or French vessels? We have our own ship designing and shipbuilding capabilities. We are not like Pakistan.

Those RBU-6000 and AK-630 are built in India itself with Transfer of Technology from the Russians. We have achieved more than 95 percent Indigenisation in AK-630. I don't know about RBU-6000.

Now this is a reply I actually agree with. Indian's should stop explaining these Idiots who believe 1 hindu soldier = 10 mudslim soldiers ( opps galti ho gaya ) I mean 1 mudslim soldier = 10 hindu soldiers and just give a standard response to every long explanation they make about our stuff being shit and their being the best by : "Aao lad lo"

Its another lie by Pakistanis to fool their Jahil Awaam and nothing else. That myth of "1 Muslim soldier = 10 Hindu Soldier" was proven to be false in so many cases. Pakistanis now know that 1 Indian soldier is equal to 20+ Pakistan soldiers. Proof? "Battle of Longewala" :-

Battle of Longewala - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

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[Adm Kenobi]

INS Visakhapatnam has nothing to do with regards to Russia in relation to its design. The design of INS Visakhapatnam is "Indian" and it is more than 60-70 percent indian in terms of Indigenous content.

AK-630 is Manufactured in India itself with more than 90 Percent Indigenisation.

The official number for indigenous content in Visakhapatnam is stated as 72% by the manufacturer (MDL)

But one thing to note is that this number includes the licence production of equipments as indigenous content too (like the *95%* in AK-630, the value of that 95% will be counted as indigenous)
Labour costs aren't included in the indigenous content (neither should it)

 

[Super Flanker]

The official number for indigenous content in Visakhapatnam is stated as 72% by the manufacturer (MDL)

But one thing to note is that this number includes the licence production of equipments as indigenous content too (like the *95%* in AK-630, the value of that 95% will be counted as indigenous)
Labour costs aren't included in the indigenous content (neither should it)

Could you list me your source in which MDL (Mazagon Dockyard Limited) had stated that percentage of Indigenisation in INS Visakhapatnam is 72 Percent?

 

[Adm Kenobi]

gMazagon

mazagondock.in

The product brochure, page 17 (in pdf format)/page 15 (wrt marking on bottom right, document format) under the -
*'Make in India'/Indigenisation* title

Page last updated in 2020

 

[Angel of War]

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Vishakapatnam is very impressive vessel but these are built tech transfer from Russia if Russian flag battle cruiser MOSKAVA is destroyed than these ships are no match of weapons which Moskava had yet it destroyed big navies are the easiest targets


How indian navy learn and do better and get few us of french vessels

Thanks for your fruits of knowledge . I don't know who told you that Vizag class destroyers were built with tech transfer from Russia , any source to back your claim my dear ? BTW , if you havy any confusion then look at the design of the two vessels , I hope you'll spot the difference

 

[Angel of War]

Could you list me your source in which MDL (Mazagon Dockyard Limited) had stated that percentage of Indigenisation in INS Visakhapatnam is 72 Percent?

It's on their official website as @Adm Kenobi has shared

 

[Angel of War]

Could you list me your source in which MDL (Mazagon Dockyard Limited) had stated that percentage of Indigenisation in INS Visakhapatnam is 72 Percent?

This article puts it at 75%

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.financialexpress.com/defence/indian-navy-ins-visakhapatnam-and-the-debate-about-indigenization/2380586/lite/

 

[Angel of War]

AK630

it's manufactured By OFB medak in india

 

[Super Flanker]

This article puts it at 75%

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.financialexpress.com/defence/indian-navy-ins-visakhapatnam-and-the-debate-about-indigenization/2380586/lite/

Yes he shared it.

gMazagon

mazagondock.in

The product brochure, page 17 (in pdf format)/page 15 (wrt marking on bottom right, document format) under the -
*'Make in India'/Indigenisation* title

Page last updated in 2020

Thank you for sharing this Kenobi. I will always be your apprentice forever. Together we can fight the dark side.

 

[HitmanBlood]

Vishakapatnam is very impressive vessel but these are built tech transfer from Russia if Russian flag battle cruiser MOSKAVA is destroyed than these ships are no match of weapons which Moskava had yet it destroyed big navies are the easiest targets


How indian navy learn and do better and get few us of french vessels

Meanwhile Pakistani flagship vessel Zulfiqar is a renamed Chinese Type 053H3, which is updated model of Type 053, which is a varient of Type 065, which is a direct copy of Russian Riga Class.

My advise to porkie navy, beware of Indian anti ship mijailes.

 

[Lonewolf]

gMazagon

mazagondock.in

The product brochure, page 17 (in pdf format)/page 15 (wrt marking on bottom right, document format) under the -
*'Make in India'/Indigenisation* title

Page last updated in 2020

Welcome to dfi @Adm Kenobi , saw you on twitter earlier , are you same user ?

 

[Adm Kenobi]

Welcome to dfi @Adm Kenobi , saw you on twitter earlier , are you same user ?

Yes,

 

[Love Charger]

Yes,

Welcome to dfi , defence matrix discord user

 

[Adm Kenobi]

053H3 is an upgrade plan for China to replace the old ships when the 052C cannot be stably mass-produced. The firepower is very powerful.

053H3' production ended before the 052C' production ended, saying it's a substitute to the failed mass production of 052C wouldn't be correct. The mass production plan didn't really failed but was ~cancelled due to the introduction of 052D & the mass production that followed. 053H3 & 052C aren't even in the same class.

> firepower is very powerful

The load of 8 YJ-83 is above decent but doesn't come under the "very powerful" category. The AAW is quite inadequate to protect itself from an adversary packing a similar punch to its' own 8 YJ-83 (BrahMos in PN' case of 053H3)

 

[HitmanBlood]

053 is not a development of 065, it's a completely different series

In the 1950s, the Soviets provided China with four kits for Riga-class frigates and four completed Gnevny-class destroyers. These entered PLAN service as the Type 01 Chengdu-class and the Type 07 Anshan-class respectively. The Riga kits were assembled by the Huangpu Shipyard in Guangzhou, and the Hudong Shipyard in Shanghai, from 1955 to 1958. These ships formed the PLAN's backbone in the 1950s and 1960s.

Following the Sino-Soviet split and the withdrawal of Soviet aid, the Wuhan-based No. 701 Institute began reverse-engineering the Type 01 in 1962. The result was the Type 065. It was based on the Riga-class hull with the flush deck replaced by a long forecastle. This modification was needed to accommodate a large medium-speed diesel powerplant; the civilian diesel was a substitute for the Riga-class' compact high-pressure steam turbine powerplant that the Chinese were unable to replicate. The first Type 065, Haikou (529), was laid down at Huangpu in August 1964 and commissioned by August 1966.

From 1965 to 1967, the No. 701 Institute designed the Type 053K (Kong for air-defence), an air-defence variant of the Type 065. This met a PLAN requirement for air-defence ships to accompany the surface-warfare Type 051 destroyers. The Type 053K was originally intended to have three screws powered by a combined gas-turbine and diesel engine, with a speed of 38 knots. However, technical constraints forced the Chinese to settle for a diesel engine, powering two screws for a maximum speed of 30 knots.

Type 053 frigate - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Swesh]

10. IN has dedicated satellites which will be deployed in area of operation

IN Has a dedicated communication satellite. But not a EO dedicated satellite that can assist CBG although one that will exlusively dedicated to CBG is perposed but let's see when will be launched by isro

 

[Dark Sorrow]

IN Has a dedicated communication satellite. But not a EO dedicated satellite that can assist CBG although one that will exlusively dedicated to CBG is perposed but let's see when will be launched by isro

Isro to build 2nd dedicated satellite for Navy to interlink warships, aircraft | India News - Times of India

India News: NEW DELHI: The Navy will get its second dedicated communication-cum-surveillance satellite by 2022 to keep tabs on the critical Indian Ocean Region an.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

We have communication-cum-surveillance satellite.

 

[Swesh]

Isro to build 2nd dedicated satellite for Navy to interlink warships, aircraft | India News - Times of India

India News: NEW DELHI: The Navy will get its second dedicated communication-cum-surveillance satellite by 2022 to keep tabs on the critical Indian Ocean Region an.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

We have communication-cum-surveillance satellite.

That is again main purpose i for GSAT 7R communication and comINT satellite not an EO satellite . perposed EO will assist entire CBG is yet to launch it will be a hybrid satellite specialy dedicated to CBG.

 

[India Super Power]

Well, I must have misremembered, it should be a replacement for Type 052B
However, mass production of the 053H3 continued until 2004.
In my memory, 053H3 was regarded as the main frigate of the Chinese Navy until 2010.
From the current point of view, YJ83 is not advanced, but in 2000, it is still very good to use subsonic sea-skimming anti-ship missiles, and Delhi-class destroyers also use KH35
HQ7 may be relatively backward, but it is still a mature point air defense missile.
Basically the same performance as the Barak 1 on the Brahmaputra-class frigate used in India at the same time
But his displacement is only 2000t
He has 8 anti-ship missiles, 8 anti-aircraft missiles, 100mm naval guns, and can carry 1 Z9C helicopter
So he's pretty strong

With this u showed your knowledge about defence
U are comparing delhi class Destroyers to 053h frigates
It's literally useless bcoz first things pakis don't have a credible network centric warfare capabilities along with old ew suite
Now our all ships be it frigate or destroyer are superior to them
It's weapon systems are old and pretty useless during initial assault it won't even survive for few days
We have integrated brahmos on our most of the ships along with delhi class
It's air defense system can't stop a supersonic projectile
Even I don't think it can even survive subsonic missiles due to its radar and whatever situational awareness available with them
Sorry it's not strong but rather a weak ship wrt to us
But yeah type-54p is something credible with them it's mordern better ew suite and missiles that could cause us few damages
But so called tipu class which wasn't even present in Pakistan is nothing

 

[Adm Kenobi]

Well, I must have misremembered, it should be a replacement for Type 052B
However, mass production of the 053H3 continued until 2004.
In my memory, 053H3 was regarded as the main frigate of the Chinese Navy until 2010.
From the current point of view, YJ83 is not advanced, but in 2000, it is still very good to use subsonic sea-skimming anti-ship missiles, and Delhi-class destroyers also use KH35
HQ7 may be relatively backward, but it is still a mature point air defense missile.
Basically the same performance as the Barak 1 on the Brahmaputra-class frigate used in India at the same time
But his displacement is only 2000t
He has 8 anti-ship missiles, 8 anti-aircraft missiles, 100mm naval guns, and can carry 1 Z9C helicopter
So he's pretty strong

1. It is neither a replacement or substitute to 052B, 052B >> 053H3.

2. YJ-83 is fine, I didn't say it was "bad", but not "very powerful" either (especially the load of 8 compared to 16 in 052B). ~fine

3. Delhi class destroyers used to have switchblade, but now they are getting 8 BrahMos. (Delhi has been upgraded, 2 others are getting refitted)

4. HQ-7 is neither bad nor good, it's ~fine for the role it plays.
compared to Brahmaputra, Brahmaputra has
16 vertically launched Barak-1.

5. 053H3 is well armed for its' "size", but look at the "role" it is supposed to play in PN. It was good at the time it entered service in PLAN, but it can't pose a major threat right now. Systems have gotten old, IN is in the process of replacing those old switchblade in Delhi with BrahMos, Barak-1s will be replaced by VL-SRSAM in the near future.