Project-75I class SSK Submarines

[JAISWAL]

^^^ deal between HWD-U214 and pakistan is not final and the talk is suspended currently ASAIK.

 

[noob101]

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[Kunal Biswas]

 

[Armand2REP]

Scorpene isn't designed to take VL missiles. To meet the land attack component of the RFP the Scalp Naval would be offered.

 

[bhramos]

Malaysian submarine at Kochi port

 

[nitesh]

host of new technologies:

New Submarines Improve Performance | AVIATION WEEK

 

[Armand2REP]

Here is what Chief of Russian Navy said about Lada/Amur... ""In its current form, Lada for the Russian Navy is not required. We do not need a new 'brain' with guns who has the power of WWII subs. Why? Who needs it? The operational properties of it are the same," - said Vysotsky.

Navy Russia refuses to build diesel-electric submarines of Project 677 "Lada" because of the imperfection of the power plant. Is not able to generate half of required power.

Russia will not start testing AIP before 2014.

 

[SPIEZ]

What will the Scorpene submarines be armed with ?

 

[Armand2REP]

Black Shark torpedoes, Exocet ASM and Scalp Naval LACMs.

 

[pankaj nema]

Scorpene isn't designed to take VL missiles. To meet the land attack component of the RFP the Scalp Naval would be offered.

Armand , What is the range of Scalp naval

 

[SPIEZ]

Black Shark torpedoes, Exocet ASM and Scalp Naval LACMs.

I m asking in India's case, cause the SCALP will not come under the so called MTCR guideline?

 

[SPIEZ]

Armand , What is the range of Scalp naval

More than 1000km, comparable with the Tomahawk missiles.
Storm Shadow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To provide a comparable thousand kilometers class range to the BGM-109 Tomahawk, the range of the MdCN (well over 1000 km) is significantly larger than the Storm Shadow

 

[Armand2REP]

1000km

 

[nitesh]

Google translation:

Российская неатомная подлодка может выиграть тендер в Индии - источник | Оборона и безопасность | Лента новостей "РИА Новости"

MOSCOW, February 13 - RIA Novosti. Winning the tender for the Indian submarine to help Russia better technical characteristics of the candidate - non-nuclear submarine project "Amur-1650", told RIA Novosti on Monday, a source close to the Russian system of military-technical cooperation.

The submarine "Amur-1650" with air-independent propulsion system (VNEU), along with submarines, "Scorpio" (France), Type-214 (Germany), S-80 (Spain) involved the Indian tender for the purchase of six submarines for the Navy national general worth 11.8 billion dollars. The contest was announced in September 2011.

"Russian submarine of Project 677E" Amur-1650 "has a good chance to win the tender because of their unique characteristics, including the time spent under water by promising VNEU - more than 25 days, as well as long-range detection of underwater targets" - the spokesman said.

In this regard, he recalled that the time spent underwater submarines of the Russian foreign counterparts is 15-20 days.

"Our submarine will also be able to compete with foreign counterparts on cost parameters," - said the source, noting, for example, that the price of "Scorpio" is approximately $ 500 million. At the same time, he did not name the exact price of the Russian submarine.

In mid-December 2011 press service of the "Rosoboronexport" reported that the St. Petersburg Central Design Bureau (CDB) "Ruby", which is the designer of the "Amur-1650", India has presented a draft of the ship, under the revised requirements.

Russian equivalent of "Amur-1650" - non-nuclear submarine Project 677 "Lada". In 2010, the lead ship of the project - a submarine "Saint Petersburg" - became part of the Navy of the Russian Federation.

Earlier, Chief Naval Fleet, Admiral Vladimir Vysotsky, told RIA Novosti that the first Russian non-nuclear submarine with VNEU can be created in 2014 by Project 677. Now at the "Admiralty Shipyards" laid two submarines of this project, which will be installed VNEU. The development goes faster pace VNEU specialists of the central design bureau (CDB), "Ruby."

 

[nitesh]

This is disappointing if true, private sector should be encouraged more instead they are getting discouraged
Doors slammed on pvt firms in submarine project

 

[nitesh]

This is disappointing if true, private sector should be encouraged more instead they are getting discouraged
Doors slammed on pvt firms in submarine project

 

[Kunal Biswas]

 

[lambu]

Moscow May Help India Build Closed-Cycle Submarines | idrw.org

Russia has offered help India build air-independent (closed cycle) propulsion systems for installation in Amur 1650 class submarines and also to equip future possible joint Indian-Russian built vessels, Viktor Komardin, the deputy head of Rosoboronexport's delegation said at the Defexpo Indian defense show on Tuesday.

The Amur 1650 is one of several contenders, including the Scorpene (France), Type 214 (Germany) and S-80 (Spain) in a tender for the Indian Navy for six subamrines with a total value of $11.8 billion.

"Russia is currently completing tests of a new air-indepedent propulsion system, which could be installed not only on the Amur 1650 but on jointly developed boats," Komardin said. "This is a critical factor for the Indians. So our chances here are good," he added.

Rosoboronexport, Russia's defense sales holding, has already offered India its Amur 1650 boat, which started trials with the Russian navy in 2010. The Amur has an armament of multirole torpedos and Klub anti-ship missiles, and can also strike land-targets with advanced cruise missiles, which may include the India-Russian Brahmos. "These missiles which the Indians want can only be supplied by Russia," Komardin said.

The Amur 1650 has a good chance of winning the tender, Komardin claimed, thanks to its ability to remain submerged for over 25 days using its air-independent propulsion, and also its long-range weaponry. Similar foreign boats can only stay submerged for 15-20 days.

Russia is currently evaluating the Lada class air-independent submarine, a derivative of the Amur 1650. In 2010 the Lada class submarine St Petersburg entered service with the Russian Fleet.

The Russian Fleet Commander Admiral Vladimir Vysotsky told RIA Novosti previously that the first Russian air-independent boat, based on a similar design, the Projet 677 class, could enter service in 2014. Two such hulls are currently under construction at the Admiralteiskie Verfi shipyard in St Petersburg, which could be fitted with a closed-cycle propulsion system.

An air-independent propulsion system is currently being rapidly developed by specialists from the Rubin submarine design bureau.

Air-independent submarines, usually using hydrogen-orygen fuel cells, are quieter than conventional diesel-electric boats, and do not have to surface or use snorkel tubes to breathe air, which makes them vulnerable to detection by radar and other sensors.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

 

[Armand2REP]

So the Russians are trying to get AIP dropped... that should tell you how well they are doing with it, or lack of progress.