Project- 75(I). Next gen subs. RFP issued

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1 base destroyed will activate 99x100 k6 ,k5,K4 missiles... I m talking about second strike of nuclear missiles...we can max fire 80 balistic missiles through submarines whereas static submerged bases can fire multiple time of that... Before firing any nuclear missiles on India enemy will think 100 times thinking about such retaliation....
 

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Even 1 SSBN is difficult to find once it slips underwater. It is not for nothing that all nuclear powers posses SSBN . These debates have been settled alredy.
Now a days ASW employs technologies such as magnetic anomaly detectors (MAD), which detect tiny disturbances to Earth’s magnetic field caused by metallic submarine hulls, passive and active sonar sensors that use sound propagation to detect objects underwater, as well as radar and high-resolution satellite imagery to detect surfaced submarines. Recent advances in commercial tools and technologies now give open-source researchers some ability to monitor submarine fleets. With commercial satellite imagery, synthetic aperture radar (SAR), hydro-acoustic sensors, and even social media analysis, open-source researchers can better understand the size and composition of countries’ submarine fleets, monitor construction of submarines and submarine bases, and potentially learn about patrol patterns and behaviors.
So our max 30!!missile submarines by 2030 canot be deterent if our enemy changes from China to nato!!! No one knows future... We have to ready...
 

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100 of missiles each in 100 places mostly in eez zones of India close to main land places like andaman, cocos, l dweep Or near gujrat coast etc... Just a thought... In addition to floating missile bases with limited fire power which can be defeated by enemies missile defence system... These missiles can rain havoc on enemies penetrating mds... Future may be... Sry for waisting time
What you say sirji , can be done at near andaman or even in lakshdweep.
Pontoons can be underwater but atlest will be near indian forces there.
 

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Now a days ASW employs technologies such as magnetic anomaly detectors (MAD), which detect tiny disturbances to Earth’s magnetic field caused by metallic submarine hulls, passive and active sonar sensors that use sound propagation to detect objects underwater, as well as radar and high-resolution satellite imagery to detect surfaced submarines. Recent advances in commercial tools and technologies now give open-source researchers some ability to monitor submarine fleets. With commercial satellite imagery, synthetic aperture radar (SAR), hydro-acoustic sensors, and even social media analysis, open-source researchers can better understand the size and composition of countries’ submarine fleets, monitor construction of submarines and submarine bases, and potentially learn about patrol patterns and behaviors.
So our max 30!!missile submarines by 2030 canot be deterent if our enemy changes from China to nato!!! No one knows future... We have to ready...
We dont make a fleet seeing enemy fleet , well we do but that doesn't mean we make a certain item more than our enemy.
30 nuke subs , if we can really make them so fast , are more than enough for a second strike capability.
Japan has a bigger navy than india , with 155 total ships.
Most of them large warships.
Japan has 26 Destroyers , india has 10.
Tging is Japan has to stop a invading china army anyhow in the sea of Japan.
We share a goddamn 3000 km boundary with China on land.
We can only make our navy so strong to a level.
 

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Now a days ASW employs technologies such as magnetic anomaly detectors (MAD), which detect tiny disturbances to Earth’s magnetic field caused by metallic submarine hulls, passive and active sonar sensors that use sound propagation to detect objects underwater, as well as radar and high-resolution satellite imagery to detect surfaced submarines. Recent advances in commercial tools and technologies now give open-source researchers some ability to monitor submarine fleets. With commercial satellite imagery, synthetic aperture radar (SAR), hydro-acoustic sensors, and even social media analysis, open-source researchers can better understand the size and composition of countries’ submarine fleets, monitor construction of submarines and submarine bases, and potentially learn about patrol patterns and behaviors.
So our max 30!!missile submarines by 2030 canot be deterent if our enemy changes from China to nato!!! No one knows future... We have to ready...
That's not how these things works practically. To employ Magnetic anamoly detector you need to have rough idea about submarines location.

That's the key with nuke subs they can be anywhere in worlds open oceans from Atlantic to indian anywhere. No one even usa has enough resources to deploy to be able to correctly sweep all the oceans of world which are 2times more widespread than world has land.

Your underwear water missile base can only be build in waters near India and they will be detected easily because of maintenance crew movement. And once they are located they are useless .
 

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Now a days ASW employs technologies such as magnetic anomaly detectors (MAD), which detect tiny disturbances to Earth’s magnetic field caused by metallic submarine hulls, passive and active sonar sensors that use sound propagation to detect objects underwater, as well as radar and high-resolution satellite imagery to detect surfaced submarines. Recent advances in commercial tools and technologies now give open-source researchers some ability to monitor submarine fleets. With commercial satellite imagery, synthetic aperture radar (SAR), hydro-acoustic sensors, and even social media analysis, open-source researchers can better understand the size and composition of countries’ submarine fleets, monitor construction of submarines and submarine bases, and potentially learn about patrol patterns and behaviors.
So our max 30!!missile submarines by 2030 canot be deterent if our enemy changes from China to nato!!! No one knows future... We have to ready...
Any thing that is static in war is almost good as target practice.why waste money on these crap ideas?
 

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Any thing that is static in war is almost good as target practice.why waste money on these crap ideas?
Really?? Most of our deployed balistic missiles are from static bases... Very few are transferable by rail n truck... Which are even visible to enemy through satelites or spy planes... Static underwater bases will be more difficult track n destroy which will not unguarded but in underwater silos with in Indian exclusive economic zones....
 

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Really?? Most of our deployed balistic missiles are from static bases... Very few are transferable by rail n truck... Which are even visible to enemy through satelites or spy planes... Static underwater bases will be more difficult track n destroy which will not unguarded but in underwater silos with in Indian exclusive economic zones....
I haven't even heard any operational in anywhere in the world
 

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That's not how these things works practically. To employ Magnetic anamoly detector you need to have rough idea about submarines location.

That's the key with nuke subs they can be anywhere in worlds open oceans from Atlantic to indian anywhere. No one even usa has enough resources to deploy to be able to correctly sweep all the oceans of world which are 2times more widespread than world has land.

Your underwear water missile base can only be build in waters near India and they will be detected easily because of maintenance crew movement. And once they are located they are useless .
Now a days every choke point is under servilance including submarines bases....when our range of missile is 6k max!!! It will min 30 mins to strike missile suppose in China which can be easily detected missile defense system and destroyed then we have to ready for mirved df series missiles raining in every city of Indian, most of land based missile may be jammed or destroyed( worst case) in such a cases underwater bases will be life line for second strike...
 

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Now a days every choke point is under servilance including submarines bases....when our range of missile is 6k max!!! It will min 30 mins to strike missile suppose in China which can be easily detected missile defense system and destroyed then we have to ready for mirved df series missiles raining in every city of Indian, most of land based missile may be jammed or destroyed( worst case) in such a cases underwater bases will be life line for second strike...
China has no missile defence as of now and our missiles will keep improving in range . K6 will be proper ICBM with declared range of 6000km while actual range of 8k-10k km.

Nuke subs aren't detected that easily they can sail at 400-600 m depth . Much deeper compared to conventional subs.
 

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China has no missile defence as of now and our missiles will keep improving in range . K6 will be proper ICBM with declared range of 6000km while actual range of 8k-10k km.

Nuke subs aren't detected that easily they can sail at 400-600 m depth . Much deeper compared to conventional subs.
China got s300, s400, hq9, hq16, hq26 missile defence systems.... Unless our missiles fired with mirv heada it will became useless or can't penetrate Chinese air defence... Some thing like Russian torpedo which totally goes underwater with range of 9 k may be the system to get true nuclear triad through subs....
 

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China got s300, s400, hq9, hq16, hq26 missile defence systems.... Unless our missiles fired with mirv heada it will became useless or can't penetrate Chinese air defence... Some thing like Russian torpedo which totally goes underwater with range of 9 k may be the system to get true nuclear triad through subs....
None of them stop ballistic missiles. They are only good against slow aircrafts. S400 is decent rest of all is crappier than garbage .
 

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None of them stop ballistic missiles. They are only good against slow aircrafts. S400 is decent rest of all is crappier than garbage .
The HQ26 is a specialized land-locked mid-range anti-ballistic missile.
The problem is early warning, when your missile takes off, the other side will detect, if found to be attacking each other, the other side will immediately launch ballistic missiles. So by the time your missile lands, the other missile has been launched.

So far, there is no direct large-scale war between nuclear powers, because there is no way to determine whether the other side's nuclear bombs can be destroyed at one time, and all the other side's nuclear bombs all are intercepted. The COST is too high, It's all a Proxy War
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars
 

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Ninjamonkey (@Aryan_warlord) Tweeted:
The #SouthKorean variant of the Type-209 . Both #India @MDL_SUBMARINE & #SouthKorea got complete technology transfer & designs of the Type 209 from HDW #Germany .
We built 4 & didn't do anything with the designs , they built 9 for themselves & are building 6 for #Indonesia .


A small nation south Korea is smarter than us. Not only they made 9 hdw submarines for themselves but are making 6 for Indonesia and earning money from it. We ASSHOLES in defence ministry and defence PSUs....
 

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Indonesian submarine goes missing north of Bali

A KRI Nanggala-402 submarine performs an exercise in Surabaya, East Java, Indonesia, in 2014


An Indonesian navy submarine has gone missing with 53 people on board, military officials say.
The submarine was conducting a drill north of the island of Bali on Wednesday, but it failed to report back and contact was lost.
Indonesia's military chief said warships had been dispatched to find the KRI Nanggala-402 vessel.
Officials have called on Australia and Singapore to help in the search. The countries have not publicly commented.
The German-made submarine is thought to have disappeared in waters about 60 miles (96km) off the coast of Bali early on Wednesday morning.

"[The navy] is currently searching for it. We know the area but it's quite deep," First Admiral Julius Widjojono told AFP news agency.
Some reports say contact was lost after the submarine had been given clearance to dive into deeper waters.
Image shows a map of Indonesia and the location where the submarine went missing

The vessel is one of five submarines operated by Indonesia.

It was made in the late 1970s, and underwent a two-year refit in South Korea that was completed in 2012, according to Reuters news agency.

It is the first time Indonesia has lost one of its submarines, a Navy spokesman told the BBC.
But similar incidents have happened elsewhere. In 2017, an Argentine military submarine went missing in the southern Atlantic with 44 crew on board.
Its wreck was located a year later, and officials confirmed that the submarine had imploded.
 

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