Project-17A Nilgiri-class Frigate Thread

[kamaal]

Ins imphal.

This will be part of Project 15B. Its a destroyer not Frigate.

 

[gslv markIII]

Nilgiri with a Vizag class DDG. Looks structurally complete with the masts & hangar hull blocks added.

Imagery date: 6/2/2021

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Nilgiri with a Vizag class DDG. Looks structurally complete with the masts & hangar hull blocks added.

Imagery date: 6/2/2021

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Mazgaon ?

 

[Gessler]

Mazgaon ?

Aur kahan.

Only place where both P-15B and P-17A are built.

 

[ladder]

There is a AoN for 9 next generation frigates and destroyers.

So, if the P18 destroyer first phase is of 4 shipsets then p17b or p17a repeat will be of 5 units.

Or if P18 destroyer first phase is of 6 units then p17b or p17a repeat will be of 3 units.

 

[Gessler]

There is a AoN for 9 next generation frigates and destroyers.

So, if the P18 destroyer first phase is of 4 shipsets then p17b or p17a repeat will be of 5 units.

Or if P18 destroyer first phase is of 6 units then p17b or p17a repeat will be of 3 units.

3-4 NGD and 5-6 NGF would be my guess.

Most likely 3 & 6.

If NGD is indeed AAW-focused we really need only 1 for each CBG.

 

[SUPERPOWER]

Ins imphal.

This is a beauty ..but why it looks like similar to INS kolkatta !!!!

 

[Akula]

This is a beauty ..but why it looks like similar to INS kolkatta !!!!

Because it is improved version of Kolkata class destroyers, known as Vishakapatnam class destroyers.

 

[Gessler]

There is a AoN for 9 next generation frigates and destroyers.

So, if the P18 destroyer first phase is of 4 shipsets then p17b or p17a repeat will be of 5 units.

Or if P18 destroyer first phase is of 6 units then p17b or p17a repeat will be of 3 units.

By the way, can you post the link of AoN news?

 

[ladder]

By the way, can you post the link of AoN news?

I haven't bookmarked it. I will share if I find it again.

Below is another source for the number of NGD ( 5) and NGF (7)

Page number 11

And,

Page no.6 of second pdf.

 

[omaebakabaka]

Because it is improved version of Kolkata class destroyers, known as Vishakapatnam class destroyers.

Shitload of imported equipment sadly

 

[Akula]

Shitload of imported equipment sadly

Yes it's true

 

[ladder]

What is to be seen that, the Talwar class which is being constructed at Goa shipyard will have some Indian radars and sensors replacing the Russian ones.
So, definitely the amount of imported equipment will reduce with subsequent classes of ships.

 

[omaebakabaka]

What is to be seen that, the Talwar class which is being constructed at Goa shipyard will have some Indian radars and sensors replacing the Russian ones.
So, definitely the amount of imported equipment will reduce with subsequent classes of ships.

As long as they are not simply rebranded but designed and developed in India using our own components for the most part.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

As long as they are not simply rebranded but designed and developed in India using our own components for the most part.

India actually is in a quite good position when it comes to indigenous radars.
Has developed and inducted of every type and range for various applications and even exported. BMD, aircrafts, surveillance missiles. India sucks in high-tech electronics/sensors since India sucks in computer chips.

 

[omaebakabaka]

India actually is in a quite good position when it comes to indigenous radars.
Has developed and inducted of every type and range for various applications and even exported. BMD, aircrafts, surveillance missiles. India sucks in high-tech electronics/sensors since India sucks in computer chips.

That is what I thought but then why are these destroyers loaded with Isralei and French/Uk stuff? Unless there is lot of rebranding going on or we are not there yet with Naval radars? Probably AESA stuff which we are lagging but also there are other radars that could be domestic but still appear to be foreign

 

[ladder]

That is what I thought but then why are these destroyers loaded with Isralei and French/Uk stuff? Unless there is lot of rebranding going on or we are not there yet with Naval radars? Probably AESA stuff which we are lagging but also there are other radars that could be domestic but still appear to be foreign

What you see today has been conceived 5-7 years ago.
Secondly, not just radar but the missile matters too. Israel will not let MRSAM/ Barak 8 to be intregated with any other radar.
Thirdly, as far as naval radars are concerned, our experience is indeed less with only Revati radar ( modified 3D-CAR) implemented.
Fourth, our AESA naval radar just has been integrated in the INS Dhruv or VC1184, and it will take time to mature.
Fifth, volume search radar ( for smaller ships) might be a ToT product that BEL aquired from Indra Spain.
Sixth, single panel, rotating array ( low cost) AESA multifunctional radar for smaller ships, if developed by DRDO hasn't broken cover. We even don't know if such a system is in development.
Seventh, it is indeed difficult to navalize radar to work against sea clutter and the required number is low and demand spaced out. Therefore, imports in the past seemed a good option. But as the shipsets increase and more number of naval platforms are/ will be built, indigenous products and ToT products will take center-stage.

 

[omaebakabaka]

What you see today has been conceived 5-7 years ago.
Secondly, not just radar but the missile matters too. Israel will not let MRSAM/ Barak 8 to be intregated with any other radar.
Thirdly, as far as naval radars are concerned, our experience is indeed less with only Revati radar ( modified 3D-CAR) implemented.
Fourth, our AESA naval radar just has been integrated in the INS Dhruv or VC1184, and it will take time to mature.
Fifth, volume search radar ( for smaller ships) might be a ToT product that BEL aquired from Indra Spain.
Sixth, single panel, rotating array ( low cost) AESA multifunctional radar for smaller ships, if developed by DRDO hasn't broken cover. We even don't know if such a system is in development.
Seventh, it is indeed difficult to navalize radar to work against sea clutter and the required number is low and demand spaced out. Therefore, imports in the past seemed a good option. But as the shipsets increase and more number of naval platforms are/ will be built, indigenous products and ToT products will take center-stage.

Ya, that is why folks should not blame GOI/IA and what not on why they did not order all domestic and what not.....sucks to say this but honesty in our people and institutions has long way to go. They are doing the best they can with relatively small budgets and talent pool (most bastards move out of country). It takes time to catch up on high end military tech.....lots of experience and failures before it pays off. Whoever is saying Navy was better than IAF and IA, needs to be a bit measured in their opinion and this is true across the board. We need to look at incremental replacements as those are the first little steps

 

[Indx TechStyle]

That is what I thought but then why are these destroyers loaded with Isralei and French/Uk stuff? Unless there is lot of rebranding going on or we are not there yet with Naval radars? Probably AESA stuff which we are lagging but also there are other radars that could be domestic but still appear to be foreign

AESA radars are a recent thing by India. And no, India isn't world leader in radars. It's very fine though. Since, Italian, British and Israeli radars are better in performance/can be mated with their systems what our radars can't do, imports will continue.

 

[fire starter]

AESA radars are a recent thing by India. And no, India isn't world leader in radars. It's very fine though. Since, Italian, British and Israeli radars are better in performance/can be mated with their systems what our radars can't do, imports will continue.

I think import of ground based radars had stopped now it's turn of naval radars.