Project-17A Nilgiri-class Frigate Thread

[Armand2REP]

And she’s out! frigate ship.

I don't know why you even waste time on Talwars when you can build ships like this.

 

[Bhurki]

I don't know why you even waste time on Talwars when you can build ships like this.

This - $1B......
Talwar - $0.5B......

 

[Armand2REP]

This - $1B......
Talwar - $0.5B......

That doesn't include the engine which is a separate contract with Ukraine.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Self delete........................

 

[Bhurki]

That doesn't include the engine which is a separate contract with Ukraine.

Engines don't cost $500 million

 

[Akula]

I hope they commission this ship on time(2022).

 

[Shashwat]

Engines don't cost $500 million

Engine, weapons sensor and other part packages are different.

 

[Bhurki]

Engine, weapons sensor and other part packages are different.

It includes everything excluding the powertrain which costs $100-150m. Weapon, sensors of russian origin are all included. Extra costs may include Barak, Elta.

 

[Shashwat]

^^ Brahmos, barak and Indian sensors were paid separately and so is engine.

 

[binayak95]

I don't know why you even waste time on Talwars when you can build ships like this.

Numbers, mate. All shipyards have full order books, but IN needs large number of decent PSCs to fullfil it's mandate.
The 4 Talwars were an unmissable opportunity.

 

[Akula]

Numbers, mate. All shipyards have full order books, but IN needs large number of decent PSCs to fullfil it's mandate.
The 4 Talwars were an unmissable opportunity.

Any chance L&T will get order for building warships in future after completing 7 patrol vessels order?

 

[Armand2REP]

Engines don't cost $500 million

I don't believe the deal is for $500m per as the media reported because the same deal cost $900m per just a few years before that. What changed from then to now that they could drop the price nearly 50%?

 

[Bhurki]

I don't believe the deal is for $500m per as the media reported because the same deal cost $900m per just a few years before that. What changed from then to now that they could drop the price nearly 50%?

$950m was for 2 of 4 grigorovich to be made by Russia.
$500m was for equipment for the other 2 that are to be made in Goa.
So $450m is for construction of hull and other equipment which can be sourced indigenously.
Obviously cost for engines from Ukraine and radar, missiles from Israel will be an additive to both figures.
Initial 3 talwars were bought for $1B in 1997
Following 3 for $1.6B in 2006

 

[ladder]

I don't believe the deal is for $500m per as the media reported because the same deal cost $900m per just a few years before that. What changed from then to now that they could drop the price nearly 50%?

$ 950 mil with the Russian. GT extra with Ukraine.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/de...o-join-indian-navy/amp_videoshow/70145392.cms

Goa Shipyard about $ 2 billon approx. Includes ToT and probably upgradation of shipyard.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...igates-in-early-2020/articleshow/71250474.cms

 

[Armand2REP]

$950m was for 2 of 4 grigorovich to be made by Russia.
$500m was for equipment for the other 2 that are to be made in Goa.
So $450m is for construction of hull and other equipment which can be sourced indigenously.
Obviously cost for engines from Ukraine and radar, missiles from Israel will be an additive to both figures.
Initial 3 talwars were bought for $1B in 1997
Following 3 for $1.6B in 2006

So the stripped down cost from Russia is $450m per, then to add engines from Ukraine, radar and missiles from Israel brings it to how much per?

 

[Bhurki]

IN could have actually bought 3 instead of 2 grigorovich in the $950m for not a whole lot more money. 3rd ship is Adm.Kornilov.
It along with the 2 we bought were in a limbo due Ukranian embargo.

 

[Bhurki]

So the stripped down cost from Russia is $450m per, then to add engines from Ukraine, radar and missiles from Israel brings it to how much per?

Way less than $1B.............

 

[Armand2REP]

Way less than $1B.............

Engines, radar and missiles are the most expensive components of a warship. What you get from Russia is a floating barge and you have to do all of the work to make it combat capable.

 

[ladder]

So the stripped down cost from Russia is $450m per, then to add engines from Ukraine, radar and missiles from Israel brings it to how much per?

Russian system no or minimal Israeli systems. Load out similar to block ii of Talwar class but modernized.

No MFStar no Barak 1/8.

 

[Bhurki]

What you get from Russia is a floating barge and you have to do all of the work to make it combat capable.

Lol no.. Thats why i highlighted the $450m difference..
The $450m(2 ships) is value addition that russia does, that goa will do i.e. making the hulls, and some indigenous equipment.
Another $500m(2 ships) is for equipment that is to be sourced by Russia anyway, no matter where the ship is manufactured.
That's why the first deal is $950m.(2 ships)
The extra equipment like
Mf star costs about $30m.(eqv.AN/spy 1)
Barak system about $50m.
And DT gas turbines about $30mX2.

Russian system no or minimal Israeli systems. Load out similar to block ii of Talwar class but modernized.

No MFStar no Barak 1/8.

Exactly!

The main question is how much money will Indian yards consume while doing the same value addition as $450m of Russia.
Usually its much higher
ex- MKI costing 100 crore extra just for procurement.