Profits of Chinese TOP 500 overtake US TOP 500 for the first time!

[badguy2000]

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Per this online news of the Chinese portal website Sina "Profits of Chinese TOP 500 overtake US TOP 500 for the first time", the net profits of Chinese TOP 500 companies totalled 170.6 billion US $ in the first half of 2009, while their US counterparts came to 98.9 billion US $ (Forbes figure), due to the strong ecnomic growth of China and its having a minor negative impact of the global economic downturn!

What do you make of such economic figures and the stories behind?
http://finance.sina.com.cn/g/20090905/20486712414.shtml
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[sky]

SO WHAT?

MOST LARGE COMPANIES IN CHINA ARE STATE OWNED?

AMERICA IS IN JUST STARTING TO COME OUT OF THE WORST ECCONOMIC CRISIS IT HAS FACED,SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION.

Enjoy tour time in the sun as it wont last long,america is more free,dynamic and has world class companies doing r@d ,so you lot can make cheap consumer goods for them.
money always finds the the best home,china has cheap labour and good infastruture,but india as well as other developing countries are fighting hard for fdi.as long as you have little r@d abilities you will also join the rest of the developing world fighting for fdi from amereica @the eu.
if you wont to overtake america it will only happen when you stop stealing there ideas and start spending big on r@d other wise they will have you over a barrel..

 

[Koji]

SO WHAT?

MOST LARGE COMPANIES IN CHINA ARE STATE OWNED?

AMERICA IS IN JUST STARTING TO COME OUT OF THE WORST ECCONOMIC CRISIS IT HAS FACED,SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION.

Enjoy tour time in the sun as it wont last long,america is more free,dynamic and has world class companies doing r@d ,so you lot can make cheap consumer goods for them.
money always finds the the best home,china has cheap labour and good infastruture,but india as well as other developing countries are fighting hard for fdi.as long as you have little r@d abilities you will also join the rest of the developing world fighting for fdi from amereica @the eu.
if you wont to overtake america it will only happen when you stop stealing there ideas and start spending big on r@d other wise they will have you over a barrel..

Uhmm....most large companies in the world are state owned. Bank of America is practically a government owned institute now, and don't forget about every petroleum company.

 

[badguy2000]

SO WHAT?

MOST LARGE COMPANIES IN CHINA ARE STATE OWNED?

AMERICA IS IN JUST STARTING TO COME OUT OF THE WORST ECCONOMIC CRISIS IT HAS FACED,SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION.

Enjoy tour time in the sun as it wont last long,america is more free,dynamic and has world class companies doing r@d ,so you lot can make cheap consumer goods for them.
money always finds the the best home,china has cheap labour and good infastruture,but india as well as other developing countries are fighting hard for fdi.as long as you have little r@d abilities you will also join the rest of the developing world fighting for fdi from amereica @the eu.
if you wont to overtake america it will only happen when you stop stealing there ideas and start spending big on r@d other wise they will have you over a barrel..

you seem not to understand the situdation fully...

today, the guy in need of foreign investment could be anyone but china.

today, china is one of biggest investors in the world .


although china receive about 70 billion USD FDI every year .the 80 billion FDI is just a piece of cake to CHina's big walllet.

Even if the 80 billion FDI disappeared at once, it would not hurt CHinese eocnomy at all.

 

[sky]

Not in the uk or eu there not,there govenments may have a stake in them but they dont own them out right .when the world recovers bank of america will sold off.so will other banks where there govenments have had to help them out.we learned 20 years ago by selling of state assests you make them stronger as they have to compete with other companies on a fair basis.a lot of waste and bad mis management can happen when the state owns companies.there has to be accountability and that can only happen when they are listed on the stock market

 

[sky]

you seem not to understand the situdation fully...

today, the guy in need of foreign investment could be anyone but china.

today, china is one of biggest investors in the world .


although china receive about 70 billion USD FDI every year .the 80 billion FDI is just a piece of cake to CHina's big walllet.

Even if the 80 billion FDI disappeared at once, it would not hurt CHinese eocnomy at all.

May be not, but how do you think china has grown so fast .its by usa and eu investment.remember china has a low r@d base.if not out side investment how would china have grown so fast .

 

[badguy2000]

May be not, but how do you think china has grown so fast .its by usa and eu investment.remember china has a low r@d base.if not out side investment how would china have grown so fast .

you overrate the importance of FDI from west world tooooo much.

1.
i am a chinese bank manager in charge of international settlement.

Acccording my experience ,70% of FDI in china are fake FDI. those "fake FDI" in fact are all domestic fund . they were leaked out of mainland China by illegal private banks,then returned to China disguised as FDI ,just for tax vacation and other privileges.

in fact, "fake FDI" is almost a open secret in China.
local officals welcome those FDI,because the mroe FDI, the more easily they can get promotion.
Chinese native enterpreneurs like disguising their fund as "FDI",just for tax vacation and other privileges.
workers doesn't care whether their bosses are FDI or native fund,because there is no difference between both to them.

For example,
In the rural area of Pearal River detal ,you can find lots of Hongkongese-invested enterprises. but if you look into those enterprises, you will find all those enterprises in face are all invested and run by local villagers.


2. the FDI from west world like EU,Japan and USA has never been very important to CHina.
the propotion of west FDI has nevery exceeds 30% since china opened its door in 1978.

Instead, "FDI" from Hongkongese and Macau indeed was once very important to Pearal River Delta very much in 1980s-1990s. but the day has passed.
.

 

[ahmedsid]

Please Post an English Translation of the Source so the Readers can analyze it and answer accordingly. Right now they are groping in the dark. Kindly Co-operate. God Speed.

 

[sky]

you overrate the importance of FDI from west world tooooo much.

1.
i am a chinese bank manager in charge of international settlement.

Acccording my experience ,70% of FDI in china are fake FDI. those "fake FDI" in fact are all domestic fund . they are disguised as FDI just for tax vacation and other privileges.

in fact, "fake FDI" is almost a open secret in China.
local officals welcome those FDI,because the mroe FDI, the more easily they can get promotion.
Chinese native enterpreneurs like disguising their fund as "FDI",just for tax vacation and other privileges.
workers doesn't care whether their bosses are FDI or native fund,because there is no difference between both to them.

For example,
In the rural area of Pearal River detal ,you can find lots of Hongkongese-invested enterprises. but if you look into those enterprises, you will find all those enterprises in face are all invested and run by local villagers.


2. the FDI from west world like EU,Japan and USA has never been very important to CHina.
the propotion of west FDI has nevery exceeds 30% since china opened its door in 1978.

Instead, "FDI" from Hongkongese and Macau indeed was once very important to Pearal River Delta very much in 1980s-1990s. but the day has passed.
.

I can not believe what your saying,you are in a postion to know the truth ,where i have no expertise of finance just what i read.even then your revelation is a surprise to me,i hope your right for your sake.

 

[badguy2000]

Please Post an English Translation of the Source so the Readers can analyze it and answer accordingly. Right now they are groping in the dark. Kindly Co-operate. God Speed.

no enlish news appears yet. because it is the real-time express...

I can translate the main idea.

　
according to the last statistic, the profit of to chinese 500 enterprise surpassed the counterparts of Yankee's top 500 enterprises.
the data shows that the profit of top chinese 500 enterprises was 170.6 billion USD in the first half year of 2009. the counterpart of Yankee's is only 98.9 billion USD
the data also show that during the first half of 2009, the total revenue of global top 500 enterprise is 25.18 trillion USD;the total revenue of Yankee's top 500 enterprise is 10.67 trillion USD; the total revenue of chinese top 500 enterprise is 3.6805 trillion USD.

新华网杭州9月5日电(记者樊曦、冯源)中国企业联合会5日在杭州发布的数据显示，经过长期高速发展，加之受国际金融危机的影响相对较轻，2009中国企业500强净利润首度超过美国企业500强，与世界500强的差距也进一步缩小。


　　据中国企联统计，2009中国企业500强净利润折合成美元为1706亿美元(汇率按照1美元＝7.0696元人民币)，加上汇率变动影响，较上年下降了12.4%(与本币计算略有不同)。

　　中国企联研究部缪荣博士表示，尽管净利润有所下降，但中国企业500强的利润指标明显好于美国企业500强。

　　美国《财富》杂志今年上半年公布的美国企业500强统计显示，2009美国企业500强净利润仅为989亿美元，较上年大幅缩水84.67%，创下该榜单问世55年以来的最糟糕记录。

　　与此同时，中国500强与世界500强的差距进一步缩小。统计显示，2009世界企业500强的营业收入为25.18万亿美元，美国500强企业营业收入为10.69万亿美元。2009中国企业500强的营业收入总额折合成美元为36805亿美元，相当于世界企业500强的14.62%；相当于美国企业500强的34.42%。

 

[macintosh]

You can use Google translator for translating the whole web page. Just copy the url in Google translator.

 

[sky]

bad guy your press dont treat the usa with a lot of respect do they,it reads like a comic.no offence

 

[badguy2000]

I can not believe what your saying,you are in a postion to know the truth ,where i have no expertise of finance just what i read.even then your revelation is a surprise to me,i hope your right for your sake.

well, Hongkongese investment did play a very key role in the early development of coatal china.
The proportion of Hongkongese FDI has always been always 50+%,since CHina opened its door in 1979.
Of course, since 2000, lot of FDI from Hongkong in fact are "fake FDI" ,which were leaked out of mainland china by illegal private banks.


However, the proportion of west FDI has never exceed 30% in the past 30 years.so,
the importance of west FDI is just a myth.

 

[mattster]

I seriously doubt this guys......first of all you need to take into account that Chinese firms and their accounting practices. They may be cooking their books.

Secondly what exactly do Chinese firms do that make them so profitable.....they are not generating new inventions or products.

Only Huawei stands as a major exporter......all others are contract exporters who manufacture for Western companies. Their margins are not that great.

Plus all these companies have been hammered just as badly as the US.
Take any data from Chinese press with a grain of salt.

 

[badguy2000]

I seriously doubt this guys......first of all you need to take into account that Chinese firms and their accounting practices. They may be cooking their books.

Secondly what exactly do Chinese firms do that make them so profitable.....they are not generating new inventions or products.

Only Huawei stands as a major exporter......all others are contract exporters who manufacture for Western companies. Their margins are not that great.

Plus all these companies have been hammered just as badly as the US.
Take any data from Chinese press with a grain of salt.

for your reference.


ICBC (the global biggest and most profitbal bank),CBC(the global second biggest and profitbal bank).BOC(the global 3rd biggest and profitable bank), Petrolchina and Sinopec are all on the list of top 500 chinese companies.....

in fact,Huawei is the 50th biggest compainies in China in 2008 and much smaller than tycoons like ICBC and Pretrochina.
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