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why dismantle assets of such value?
Reform if possible, but let it stay.
Shouldn’t be turning every piece of land into utilitarian asset.
Because they thrive on excluding based on their privilege, rather than including based on your ability. The memberships are transferred to the children too usually.
 

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Most temples i go to have clear instructions to drop donations in the hundis and not to provide it directly to the poojaris/bhramins who do the pooja on our behalf. I feel uneasy about such instruction since i know where my offering will ultimately end up with. Since my upbringing dictates i should not return from a temple without making a cash offering, iam forced to drop my donantions in the hundi box.
What choice do i have?
I have stopped putting money in hundi or locked sealed boxes.. many Hindus don't know that money goes to government..

Every temple has a separate thali of pujari where the money is taken by pujari in evening.. so put money in that thali.. or i have asked all my friend s and family to stop throwing money in boxes instead give to poor pujari or brahmins
 

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I always ask to pujaris if the money us taken by trust or government.. and I give directly to pujaris.. one even had tears in his eyes when I told him that I only give to pujaris or temple owned by non government..
 

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Modji, we don't deserve you 😭😭

LoL, this video is from 2013... friends of mine are contractors on the project and its all a big farce.... please keep a sense check on your fandom... it should not come at the cost of misleading people... Dont deserve you it seems...
 
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Sorry for responding a bit late, though I've gone through comments already.
What do you mean mostly ? Do you know the % of scholarships Hindus get versus Muslims and Christians , it is negligible FYI . It time you come into real world .

What you think about temples is moot .

Temples have zero role in Hinduism and Hindutava ? Seriously ?

What harsh truth ? Just because you say so . It's bordering delusion , travel and see the truth .

Temples are more than capable of becoming the gurukuls of the past if we the Hindus put effort into it. We never did and our hands were tied by the sickularist and government.

Just wait and watch .

Temples trustees becoming a challenge to government . Are you serious ?

Nobody will take you seriously ever if you come up with such ad hominem fallacies.

Hinduism is what makes India period .

It's time money in temples is our to use which benifits Hindus only via Hindus and hindu organisations only . Hindus r the only custodian . Make India into a Hindu rashtra then government can take over otherwise not.
The so called "politicians" being accused of nationalist drama to wrest power are those who (with their patron organisations) are solely actually deserved credit holders of Hindutva moment and not temples essentially.
I didn't mean to hurt anyone's emotions (nor I got after many jumped on me). But I'm absolutely clear about what I said. Temples aren't functionally anything more than a place of worship whether you like it or not. And the Indian instinct to donate money to religious places has already corrupted this entity as well. It's shame that even foreign founded organisations play it like a business and bigger investment on a temple paves way for earning more.

Money in government's hands or within pockets of people, would be far more "Hindu" in function than lying in these temples getting rusted.

Everytime, these were Swayamsevaks, Sangh Parivar or people. My opinion won't change unless someone is able to elaborate what was significant role of temples here in entire chapter. Even a small standing or donation during a ruckus would fall far short of line to defend.
You are seeing india from mirror of today in which BJP have powers so called nationalist people.
But in future extreme left and commii liberals will also rise you think that government is to innocent. Well it was GOI which for decades stopped construction of ram mandir. It was the same old nehruvian socialist BS which tried to brainwash india. If we give all of our tools to the government then how in future you will counter some commii extreme liberal government?
Governments have already killed average hindu nibbers with taxes now they want to loot our temple money too there are tons of thing which a joint temple association can do to support Indian cultural reach give it some funding and it will grow.

Policies of states is not permanent tomorrow people like commii romila thapar can force आशाराम to teach that Hindu extremist invaded india.
The ruling government anyway isn't an unstable or an accidental winner. It's support in general populace is a result of a long process. Having a large fraction of population holding their membership alone, they aren't going to lose power that easily. Even if they do, Hindu populism has become an integral part of Indian politics what will have to considered by every political party to win and stay in power. Hindus aren't going to lose power unless they collectively choose to become stupid and commie on mass scale.
Temple trustees challenge to india and Muslim and Christian trustee are gift to india?
All i remember is only Hindu worship bharat mata.
Muslim clerics were against saying bharat mata ki jai (hail motherland)
Any place is prone to internal conflicts. Even after getting rid of evangelists, there are plenty of institutions within India.
Existence of more than one powerful body is natural to pose conflict.

Back on topic, the entire argument was why government should continue to purge money of temples. I have given my PoV and haven't came across any valid response so far. Temples were never a part of solution to any of problems members have been using as excuses.

Seriously, why do members have such a thin skin that they can't even interpret or contemplate any argument on such topics and toe same line over & over? Some are even reminding me of what Xtians and Jihadis say. Do I look like an evangelist or communist? 😡
Yes you are right given the mindset of majority of so called atheists

I am a Hindu atheist.
Atheists should keep absolute mum over matters that doesn't matter to them as they have gave up on these matters already cuz muh logic.
Anyone with a good standing on a particular topic can speak on that. Having an opinion essentially on temples, their functioning, utility and implications (has still remained intact) doesn't make me any less Hindu. When I have been seen acting like "majority of atheists"?
 
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Modji, we don't deserve you 😭😭

LoL, this video is from 2013... friends of mine are contractors on the project and its all a big farce.... please keep a sense check on your fandom... it should not come at the cost of misleading people... Dont deserve you it seems...
I guess my sarcasm is too strong sometimes.

:notsure:
 

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I'm not gonna repeat what I written entirely and you went on responding with same:
  1. There is no justification for letting large amount of money getting rotten unused.
  2. Temples or any unproductive/low productive non government body ever should be let become a financial competitor to Indian government.
Money from temples is significant enough to be spent on many good things instead of letting it lie there and getting used in expansions.

Churches and Mosques need more restrictions, doesn't downplay the importance of control over temples. The government of India and not temples, those are supposed to remain overlord of nation and front end of Dharma.
You have a communistic view on the right to property.
If the property belongs to society and the state then why have Ambanies and Tatas?
why should you be allowed to own a house and have a bank balance or gold on your wife?
Temple is an individual legal entity and therefore has the right to property as any other individuality. If the govt taxes that money it amounts to taxing the religion - called Zazia and a recognition that religion is a profit making business.

It is for a social group, Trust or Corporate body of the temple to manage the sample and utilize the process as the collective decision.
The govt should only have a supervisory and auditing role and no control.

Large temple trusts when engaged in any Business then should be conducted as per govt rules. Temples or groups of temples can even function like a Bank as in old times under normal business rules. Oversea trade from Orrissa, Kerala, Gujrat and Tamilnadu used to be financed by the temples and that is the reason of some of those getting very rich.

In India the Communists, the Congress Dynasty and other political Parties got very afraid that if political activities are funded by temples then they will have a tough time like in Karnataka (Vokaligas and Lingyatas). That was the main reason to control temples and put them under Bubus.
 
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You have a communistic view on the right to property.
If the property belongs to society and the state then why have Ambanies and Tatas?
I necessary don't hold state ownership view of national property unless it's on national interests. I however advocate state intervention when the things are being left misused or unutilized. In temples' cases, I find their property not being utilised property.

Country indeed should run on it's private eco system; entirely by companies when government only sticks to actual function of making laws. But it shouldn't let any penny get wasted either.

Regards.
 
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I necessary don't hold state ownership view of national property unless it's on national interests. I however advocate state intervention when the things are being left misused or unutilized. In temples' cases, I find their property not being utilised property.

Country indeed should run on it's private eco system; entirely by companies when government only sticks to actual function of making laws. But it shouldn't let any penny get wasted either.

Regards.

You have given your opinions. Now I will give my opinions.

When I give money (ie donation) to temples founded by my grandfather, my family who setup that temple and maintains that temple will have freedom on how to conduct the daily activities of a temple. It does NOT matter if YOU think that the temple resources are "unutilized". Your opinion does not count as long as YOUR family and YOUR grandfather did NOT set up the temple and does not maintain it.

Your state should focus on all places (including religious places) if those places are involved in anti-national activities. YOUR state must focus there. YOUR state has a misplaced priority (which is not misplaced really because they need "funds" from temples and this is a political conspiracy to exploit the Hindus of india).

When it's my penny, i decide how to get that "wasted" (unless i waste that in illegal ways), not YOU.

Please let me know if you need any clarifications!
 

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Religious places are no separate dominion.

They fall under Government and its revenue must be overseen & utilized as required by Govt for national good.

Monumental un-utilized money is sinful when it can clearly be used for multiple problems at hand.

Any narrative otherwise is encouragement to inequality, the very thing India must fight tooth & nail.
 

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Religious places are no separate dominion.

They fall under Government and its revenue must be overseen & utilized as required by Govt for national good.

Monumental un-utilized money is sinful when it can clearly be used for multiple problems at hand.

Any narrative otherwise is encouragement to inequality, the very thing India must fight tooth & nail.
Problem with this logic is that it has resulted in rampant loot of Hindu temples,
along with loss of revenue, loss of temple land is collosal.

All the whole mosques and churches are absolutely left unchecked.

I don't like this thinking simply because it targets only and only temples and others are left alone in name of secularism,.
 

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Religious places are no separate dominion.

They fall under Government and its revenue must be overseen & utilized as required by Govt for national good.

Monumental un-utilized money is sinful when it can clearly be used for multiple problems at hand.

Any narrative otherwise is encouragement to inequality, the very thing India must fight tooth & nail.
Problem with this logic is that it has resulted in rampant loot of Hindu temples,
along with loss of revenue, loss of temple land is collosal.

All the whole mosques and churches are absolutely left unchecked.

I don't like this thinking simply because it targets only and only temples and others are left alone in name of secularism,.
If my post was not clear enough; let me explicitly mention that above goes for all religions, not just hindu temples.
 

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If my post was not clear enough; let me explicitly mention that above goes for all religions, not just hindu temples.
Our constitution guarantees equality of religion.
Still, we are being trampled.

Point is - there is no law or order that a govt will pass that will ever touch mosques or churches.
It's like communism, on paper fantastic, when implemented, absolutely horrible.
 

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Our constitution guarantees equality of religion.
Still, we are being trampled.

Point is - there is no law or order that a govt will pass that will ever touch mosques or churches.
It's like communism, on paper fantastic, when implemented, absolutely horrible.
I refuse to believe that victim's narrative leading to the banks of sympathy. Every religion is putting forth story of how they are discriminated by Govt and society at large. As if religion, even if organized has any homogeneous representation in India.

If current Govt led by majority hindu-leaning political party practically run by rss based on ideologies of hindu hegemony, does not satisfy religious fancies or worse still proclaims unfair treatment; I do not know who/what else will fulfill that theological thirst.
 

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If my post was not clear enough; let me explicitly mention that above goes for all religions, not just hindu temples.

And just to make my stance clear, Govt can do anything it wishes with the temples that were constructed by govt funds and maintained by govt funds. As long as i have established a temple using my own private money and let people visit that temple during pre-specified timings without charging common people a penny, govt has ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS poking its nose there as long as the temple is running without violating any law-and-order situation and causing any anti-national activities.
 

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Religious places are no separate dominion.

They fall under Government and its revenue must be overseen & utilized as required by Govt for national good.


Monumental un-utilized money is sinful when it can clearly be used for multiple problems at hand.

Any narrative otherwise is encouragement to inequality, the very thing India must fight tooth & nail.
There starts "sickularism". I thought that in a true secular system, the religion and state would not interfere with each other?
 

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I refuse to believe that victim's narrative leading to the banks of sympathy. Every religion is putting forth story of how they are discriminated by Govt and society at large. As if religion, even if organized has any homogeneous representation in India.

If current Govt led by majority hindu-leaning political party practically run by rss based on ideologies of hindu hegemony, does not satisfy religious fancies or worse still proclaims unfair treatment; I do not know who/what else will fulfill that theological thirst.
Sorry to break this to you. Hinduism is much much greater than any RSS in the world. I am a Hindu and I would never allow RSS to "oversee" my temples. If RSS tries to do that, I will declare war on RSS.
 

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