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That is why I say that Modi is a political Hindoo unlike Yogi. He has done nothing for Hindoos, Not only that but he has not even undone the injustice to Hindoos such as government control over the funds of Hindoo temples and use it to benefit the minorities. He let us down in Sabrimala. Muzzie goons are stronger as ever. Couple of days back, Mahemood Paracha demanded weapon license for Minorities and dalits to protect themselves. These anti national people are pushing their anti India agenda as vigorously as they used to do in past. There is no Change in it.
Let us destroy the lobby first. Advani tried to take them on and eventually became one of them.

Virat Hinduism will work only when the Samrat is fully in power.
 

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Let us destroy the lobby first. Advani tried to take them on and eventually became one of them.

Virat Hinduism will work only when the Samrat is fully in power.
Ab isse se jyada kya power daay.. he have majority .. his fav officers are in place....What else...can we pls stop hiding behind excuses...and accept that pur samrat is no more what he used to be... slogans and MLA buying aside, only good thing he have done so far is aggressive posturing with porkistan...but there also nothing much have happened ....

Still u have like of Owisi asking for 15 min and azam khan making all kind of stupid statements on floor ... right in front of thousand camera...looking into eyes of our samrat...
 

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Let us destroy the lobby first. Advani tried to take them on and eventually became one of them.

Virat Hinduism will work only when the Samrat is fully in power.
Please tell how to do that. TO whom we had elected are licking the feets of Jhihadis.
 

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Please tell how to do that. TO whom we had elected are licking the feets of Jhihadis.
Firstly..by not feeling desperate when the anti narrative against YINDOO and YINDOO leaders are in motion.
Actually, thats the anti lobby wants...seed self doubt and let the yindoos bash own leaders.
this creates a crack in the ecosystem which they will exploit.

 

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Please tell how to do that. TO whom we had elected are licking the feets of Jhihadis.
Brazen it out, learn for Abrahamics!!!

Have you ever heard of criticism of owaisi, Azam Khan and that bearded chap who complained to US about Modi, from their own community? Even though they don’t actually do anything for them on a whole, in comparison to their total population.

When every one else knows the concept of long term planning, you seem to be not interested in long term goals.
 

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Brazen it out, learn for Abrahamics!!!

Have you ever heard of criticism of owaisi, Azam Khan and that bearded chap who complained to US about Modi, from their own community? Even though they don’t actually do anything for them on a whole, in comparison to their total population.

When every one else knows the concept of long term planning, you seem to be not interested in long term goals.
:clap2::clap2::clap2:

30 characters = 72 hoors
 

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Brazen it out, learn for Abrahamics!!!

Have you ever heard of criticism of owaisi, Azam Khan and that bearded chap who complained to US about Modi, from their own community? Even though they don’t actually do anything for them on a whole, in comparison to their total population.

When every one else knows the concept of long term planning, you seem to be not interested in long term goals.
I am ready for long term planning. A counter question to you. Have you ever heard owasi's or Azam taking side of Hindus? Have they ever tried to appease Hindus at the cost of Muslims. We voted overwhelming for Hinduism but loyalty shifted after winning election. He criticizes Gau Rakhshak but he is unavailable to speak a single word against Jhihadis or Islamic terrorism.
 

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Firstly..by not feeling desperate when the anti narrative against YINDOO and YINDOO leaders are in motion.
Actually, thats the anti lobby wants...seed self doubt and let the yindoos bash own leaders.
this creates a crack in the ecosystem which they will exploit.

We have given him enough consession but he has not shown an iota of pro Hindu tendency. I still support BJP and will continue to do that till I get a better option but a message is required to be delivered that don't take us for granted. However, I prefer some one like Yogi to take it over who is not as spineless as Modi.
 

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I am ready for long term planning. A counter question to you. Have you ever heard owasi's or Azam taking side of Hindus? Have they ever tried to appease Hindus at the cost of Muslims. We voted overwhelming for Hinduism but loyalty shifted after winning election. He criticizes Gau Rakhshak but he is unavailable to speak a single word against Jhihadis or Islamic terrorism.
Before I answer this, you will have answer the question I asked you last week. I am yet to get a reply.

Do you even live in India?
 

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Is there a concerted attempt to sow doubts against PM Modi among his most loyal base?

A new theory in town. That PM Modi has suddenly decided to go ‘secular.’

ABHISHEK BANERJEE
JULY 22, 2019

By now, everyone of us who is out there on social media is aware of this strange new phenomenon. The toughest, most loyal BJP supporters are suddenly reeling as if struck by a Category 5 Hurricane. The feel good atmosphere of May 23 has all but evaporated and a sense of gloom and doom prevails among the online support base of PM Modi.

A new theory in town. That PM Modi has suddenly decided to go ‘secular.’ Or in other words, he has embraced the pseudo-secular trappings and hypocrisies of the old Indian political establishment.

I have to take this theory head on. Not necessarily to oppose. But because I want to discuss.

First of all, is there merit in the claim that the BJP has not done enough to break down the pseudo-secular old establishment? Absolutely there is. For example:

Why can’t we bring in a law to build a Ram Temple at Ayodhya? The courts began looking at the Ayodhya dispute since 1855-56! After what is possibly the longest legal case in history, it appears that the Supreme Court has thrown up its hands and asked for mediation! At least now it is time for the Govt to address the matter directly and build the Ram Temple, honoring the will of the people.

Why do we even have a ministry for minorities? Isn’t that where all the recent discontent about “minority scholarships” began? As Rahul Roushan wrote in an OpIndia article, why not just go for “deminoritization” and shut down this ministry? For those who care, the “Ministry of Minorities” isn’t even a time honored tradition. It was dreamed up by the UPA specifically as a vehicle for appeasement and vote bank politics. Why not abolish it?

Now that said, I have to ask if there is genuine cause for the sudden surge of negativity that has come to dominate social media in the last few months. Did something change suddenly? And more importantly, are there elements who are now actively playing on this negativity, trying to actually break Modi’s strongest support base by playing up half truths?

Let us start with the matter of minority scholarships. It’s the spot where this theory of ‘minority appeaser BJP’ originated and the anger has been simmering since. In a pronouncement that I suppose nobody on social media has forgotten, Minority Affairs Minister Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi declared that minorities would receive “5 crore scholarships” over 5 years of Modi 2.0.

That sounds like a big number, which made the outrage take off. Social media was flooded with all sorts of numbers. But was it really? I mean, the BJP government claims to have 22 crore beneficiaries in its first term. Since minorities make up more than 20% of the population, one can confidently claim that at least 4.4 crore minority beneficiaries in Modi’s first term. From 4.4 crore to 5 crore does not seem like that much.

What about scholarships specifically? Here is the expenditure by year:


Post matric Scholarship expenditure

Pre matric scholarship expenditure
As you can see from the data, there has been hardly any increase in either number or total amount spent on minority scholarships. The number of scholarships appears to have gone down significantly in fact compared to the last year of UPA and the first year of Modi’s term (during which smaller expenditures like these would mostly have been carried forward on auto pilot from previous government). And never forget that budget staying “constant” is really a cut in terms of inflation.

But people argue that the numbers are beside the point because it is a question of principle. And I agree. But then it must also be acknowledged that there has been no sudden change in BJP policy which would warrant the sudden outrage.

But what I really wonder is whether other players are trying to capitalize on the bout of outrage and trying to sow fear and dissension in BJP’s core base.

News articles appeared with headlines like “80% of government scholarships go to Muslims.” They appeared to draw from the Government’s National Scholarship Portal. As it happened, it seems the graphic on that portal did not include data for SC/ST scholarships, the vast majority of which go to Hindus. This is the kind of routine communication gap between govt agencies that any citizen would be familiar with. But the articles and the headlines started an outpouring on social media that raged for weeks.

Eventually, there was the moment of truth when the Budget arrived. Not surprisingly, the Budget for both Pre-Matric and Post-Matric scholarships for minorities was actually *cut*. Which means the budgets were basically cut by 3-4% when you consider inflation.

Mysteriously however, headlines appeared after the budget focusing on the fact that the budget for subsidized coaching for minority candidates had been increased. By how much? It used to be Rs 8 crore. It’s now Rs 20 crore. I don’t know how much can get done in India of 2019 with an extra Rs 12 crores. But it seemed like the headlines wanted to tell a story.

Only today, a prominent news anchor shared on Twitter a video of a top BJP minister making an Islamic affirmation, without really mentioning that it is from Jan 2016. You can see the date in the video if you look carefully, but we know how social media works. Most people wont see the date.

Naturally, this video was promptly incorporated into the confirmation bias and seen as further evidence of a new minority appeasing face of Modi 2.0.

Yes, you can ask why the date matters so much. Because nobody really cares what one individual BJP minister does at home during his puja. People want to know what the top BJP leadership thinks. If they knew this video was from 2016, they would treat it as a random fact about one politician. If people think it’s recent, they will lump it together with other misinformation and fall for a narrative. No surprise that I saw recently a photo of PM Modi holding a chaddar to be sent as a gift at a certain famous dargah. The caption did not mention that the photo was from 2015. In any case, lots of Hindus offer chaddars at that famous dargah.

The dates matter. That’s precisely why some people appear to be leaving the dates out. Because if people think that all these things happened in the last couple of weeks, it will look like a coordinated PR campaign by BJP for appeasement of minorities.

Now who would want that? And are Hindu right wingers walking into a trap?

I will finish with a request to Hindu right wing online. It is absolutely right to accuse the BJP of not doing enough to roll back decades of minority appeasement. But do you think that Modi 2.0 would deliberately opt for minority appeasement? Can you think of any possible motive for this? Do you think that anybody, that too a politician, would do something without a motive? What gain do you think the BJP would hope to make from minority appeasement?

You and I know that BJP will not gain a single vote from minority appeasement. So please. Please don’t tell me that the two sharpest political minds in India cannot see that much.

Meanwhile, I would suggest looking around and seeing how much the dominant narrative has changed in the last five years. Remember that many of us took to social media precisely because we thought the English language media was not listening to us. How does that look now?

I don’t know how many remember the Vajpayee government passing the POTA Act. The opposition was so resolute in blocking it that a joint session of parliament had to be called to pass the bill. There were MPs on both sides who came from their hospital beds to shore up the numbers for their side.

Last week, the NIA Amendment Bill passed the Lok Sabha with 278 voting in favor and just 6 against. Surely, something has changed.

We’ll get there, eventually. By the way did you know what is happening in states?


Gujarat government does not allocate budget for minorities

Yogi Adityanath government slashes minority welfare department outlay in UP
We Hindus have been treated so badly in history that we have a hard time keeping the faith. This time will be different. Let’s not be misled so easily.

https://www.opindia.com/2019/07/is-...ts-against-pm-modi-among-his-most-loyal-base/
The point isn't that Modi has gone sickular, rather it's that he has done nothing for Hindus, particularly rolling back any of the injustice heaped upon us by Congress. This, even this article concedes.

So why should Hindus vote for BJP and not contribute towards a party that will actually work towards bring equality?

If you say economic growth, then it's fine for poor people to vote for him, not the middle class. As he stated in his speech after 2019 election results, there are two kinds of people, the poor and those who will help being the poor out of poverty. That's socialism in a new bottle or at least the wealth redistribution part of it.

Why the hell is it my job to bring someone out of poverty? Why should I or anyone else be taxed more and be penalized for success?

As Thactcher famously said, the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Modinomics is old style wealth redistribution without the Indira era nationalization of industry. It will get him votes but excess of it will kill the same economy which as the auto figures reflect is tethering towards a slowdown and his JNU educated FM is no equipped to turn it around.

They'll just add more taxes.
 

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The point isn't that Modi has gone sickular, rather it's that he has done nothing for Hindus, particularly rolling back any of the injustice heaped upon us by Congress. This, even this article concedes.

So why should Hindus vote for BJP and not contribute towards a party that will actually work towards bring equality?

If you say economic growth, then it's fine for poor people to vote for him, not the middle class. As he stated in his speech after 2019 election results, there are two kinds of people, the poor and those who will help being the poor out of poverty. That's socialism in a new bottle or at least the wealth redistribution part of it.

Why the hell is it my job to bring someone out of poverty? Why should I or anyone else be taxed more and be penalized for success?

As Thactcher famously said, the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Modinomics is old style wealth redistribution without the Indira era nationalization of industry. It will get him votes but excess of it will kill the same economy which as the auto figures reflect is tethering towards a slowdown and his JNU educated FM is no equipped to turn it around.

They'll just add more taxes.
Most of Hindutva philosophy is just that ; philosophy. Sane, ordinary people don't go full RW death squad without any reason.
You apply as much as you can to everyday life and inspire others to do the same.

Before Modi came around, being a convert was fashionable. Every movie would make fun of Hindus 'OMG' , 'Pk' , etc and you had to shut up. Nowadays half of the damage to the movie is done by Twitterati. Bajrang Dal and Karni Sena do the rest.

Love jihad is now a talked about issue and taken seriously. Slut shaming on religious lines is unfortunately what it took to deprogram our womenfolk from brothelwood. You have women like Kangana in mainstream media who kick ass and take names of these 'bitch brigades' of feminazis.

You have an increased focus on deporting illegal immigrants who will over time replace us demographically and make our descendants call us kaffirs if left unchecked. NRC is an excellent step and Mota Bhai has made it his pet project. Bengal's Hindu revival can be credited wholly to Modi.

You have a greater focus on startup and private sector than some Sarkari behemoth which is actually a white elephant. After the App/4G revolution of 2017, running a startup with engineering graduates is actually feasible. Resolution of NPAs so we don't have to deal with a full on recession down the line is also excellent. (See @Haldiram and his posts on economy thread) You must be a fool if you think rich people pay more than 25% personal tax.

Defence procurement in the past 5 years alone has outpaced the previous 3-4 regimes. In time thanks to privatisation of PSUs we can have more defence production done indigenously, generating jobs and saving valuable foreign exchange.

I could go on unless of course you are a LARPer or a concern troll.
 

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It’s relevant because I think you are inside a “digital ring fence”, where you are being exposed only to a certain kind of narrative.

I would rather have you reach self-realisation than others spoon feeding you information.
Exactly, I am talking about a certain narrative only. Where did I say that I comprehensivly reject Modi? I say that he has batreyed Hindus by cheating them on core Ideology of Hindutva.
 

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You seem to be a concern toll mate! Your points loop endlessly without any logic to them!
You can't agree with me is understandable but you are not finding any logic in my post is hilarious. I think thak you are the only one to discover this.
 

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Exactly, I am talking about a certain narrative only. Where did I say that I comprehensivly reject Modi? I say that he has batreyed Hindus by cheating them on core Ideology of Hindutva.
in that case my simple answer is that, i see Modi Govt policies are designed to provide :
1) level playing field to the extent possible
2) Increasing the living standards both thru employment opportunities and quality of life.
3) upgrading national security apparatus.

i have been saying this for many years, if you want modi to be openly hindutva even today, you can forget about it.
you can check his track record as gujarat CM, there too he never openly espoused hindutva except for a few election rallies. The hindutva image you perceive of modi was created by leftists that modi took advantage of it.

if you still want to continue with your tirade, you are barking up the wrong tree.
 

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You can't agree with me is understandable but you are not finding any logic in my post is hilarious. I think thak you are the only one to discover this.
You keep going about the same few points friend. Those points don't hold much water on their own.
 

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