PM: India keen to buy MiG-29 aircraft from Malaysia

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India has stated its keenness to buy the MiG-29 aircraft from Malaysia and upgrade them for use by its air force.

Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak said the proposal was among the aspects of military cooperation agreed to by Malaysia and India.

In this matter, he said the Ministry of Defence and the Royal Malaysian Air Force (TUDM) would look at the form of cooperation, including handling the Sukhoi aircraft and spare parts.

“There is a possibility too that they will buy our MiG 29 aircraft for refit. We reciprocate by accepting spare parts for our Sukhoi aircraft programme,” he told a media conference at the end of a six-day visit to India which started on March 30 in Chennai.

According to leading military aviation magazine, “AirForces Monthly”, the Royal Malaysian Air Force in 1995 procured 18 MiG-29N from Russia, and presently has 10 MiG-29N and 2 MiG-29NU ( Trainers) in its fleet.

Najib also said the visit this time to India was successful in terms of investments between the two countries, whereby 31 memoranda of understanding (B-to-B) had been signed with investments totalling US$35.99 billion (RM159.26 billion).

The cooperation encompassed construction of harbours and roads, development of solar energy, smart city, palm oil and coconut, technology park and higher education.

In addition, Topworth Group and Samarth Group from India had submitted their

Letters of Intent to invest US$380 million (RM1.6 billion) in Malaysia, he added.

He said Samarth Group, which is a manufacturer of critical medical products, planned to invest US$80 million (RM352 million) in Iskandar Malaysia, Johor, while Topworth, an aluminium foil manufacturer for packaging medicine, was keen to invest US$300 million (RM1.32 billion) in Bintulu, Sarawak.

Najib also said Malaysia was striving to obtain six highway construction packages totalling 3,000 km in Rajashtan involving an estimated investment of US$1.5 billion (RM6.5 billion).

“My visit to Jaipur showcases Malaysia's keenness on the highway project in Rajashtan and the model to be implemented by Malaysia will be an example to the states neighbouring Rajashtan,” he said.
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not a Bad idea, if we get it for dirt cheap rate and in good condition.
 

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So now we need a fighter which even the Malaysians are keen to throw outta the window. I only have one question, WHY???? o_Oo_O:doh::doh:
Coz maintaining 60 planes an easier job than maintaining 10. It will be logistical nightmare for Malaysians to maintain a handful of planes.
 

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Its common practice when you want to fill the gap in the inventory quickly done previously by other countries also like Poland which picked up Mig29 from Germany and Czech and our chaddi buddy Bakistan who picked F-16s from Turkey .. As said my Mrpresident maintaining 10 aircraft is pain in the ass with spares and maintenance and repair issues so its always best to remove those 10 as soon as possible before the operational cost makes it liability

So now we need a fighter which even the Malaysians are keen to throw outta the window. I only have one question, WHY???? o_Oo_O:doh::doh:

Coz maintaining 60 planes an easier job than maintaining 10. It will be logistical nightmare for Malaysians to maintain a handful of planes.
 

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Its common practice when you want to fill the gap in the inventory quickly done previously by other countries also like Poland which picked up Mig29 from Germany and Czech and our chaddi buddy Bakistan who picked F-16s from Turkey .. As said my Mrpresident maintaining 10 aircraft is pain in the ass with spares and maintenance and repair issues so its always best to remove those 10 as soon as possible before the operational cost makes it liability



Captscooby will these bird come with Russian term and condition or these come without any restriction . If these come without any restriction it will be boon for Indian aerospace industry . As these give greater opportunities to our engineers to work upon and we can utilise one of them as test bed for Kaveri.
 

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Well not sure the terms but this wont be coming with any terms from the russians as once sold malaysia has the right to sell the aircrafts to anyone they want only thing the buyer wants to secure the spare parts and servicing terms with the russians suppliers . Well not sure what test bed as we itself have around 60 Mig29 UPGs in our inventory with Airforce and Navy these 10 or more aircrafts will be just to fill the gap in our numbers nothing more than that i look into these things ...

Captscooby will these bird come with Russian term and condition or these come without any restriction . If these come without any restriction it will be boon for Indian aerospace industry . As these give greater opportunities to our engineers to work upon and we can utilise one of them as test bed for Kaveri.
 

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Increasing numbers won`t solve problem if they won`t get your desire sorties, We don`t want hanger queens ..

Those Malaysian MIGs have very little in common with IAF MIGs which got recently updated both avionics so does parts of air-frame ..
 

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India will check air-worthiness of Malaysian Mig-29s before buying all for the IAF
A committee of defence experts will examine whether to consider buying MiG-29 fighter jets from Malaysia and upgrade them for use by Indian Air Force.

At the end of his visit here, Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak had said India is keen to buy MiG-29 fighter jets from his country and upgrade them for use by IAF.

Government sources said a committee of experts will examine the issue following which a decision may be arrived at.

Najib had said the proposal was among the aspects of military cooperation agreed to by Malaysia and India during his visit to New Delhi and talks with Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

He said the India's Ministry of Defence and the Royal Malaysian Air Force (TUDM) would look at the form of cooperation, including handling the Sukhoi aircraft and spare parts.

"There is a possibility too that they (India) will buy our MiG 29 aircraft for refit. We reciprocate by accepting spare parts for our Sukhoi aircraft programme," he was quoted as saying by Bernama news agency.

According to leading military aviation magazine, 'AirForces Monthly', the Royal Malaysian Air Force in 1995 procured 18 MiG-29N from Russia, and presently has 10 MiG-29N and 2 MiG-29NU (Trainers) in its fleet.

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some thing does not add up.
The Royal Malaysian Air Force is very small compared to the IAF
India got the Mig 29 around 1985. Malaysia 1990. India later gone for Su 30 MKI. Malaysia followed suit and ordered Su 30 MKM now India gone for Rafael . will Malaysia follow
Assuming Mig 29 for Su 30 components goes through, it is spare change for both nations. The plethora of MOUs signed is nothing to crow about either. Therefore, one has to wonder about the real agenda of the visit of the Malaysian PM in 'wasting' his and Modi's time. China is one obvious concern; but what else was on the agenda that could translate into a 'tangible' outcome?
 

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We have already been supporting the maintenance of Malaysian MIGs and also training their pilots

I guess our air force is familiar with the birds.
 

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some thing does not add up.
The Royal Malaysian Air Force is very small compared to the IAF
India got the Mig 29 around 1985. Malaysia 1990. India later gone for Su 30 MKI. Malaysia followed suit and ordered Su 30 MKM now India gone for Rafael . will Malaysia follow
Assuming Mig 29 for Su 30 components goes through, it is spare change for both nations. The plethora of MOUs signed is nothing to crow about either. Therefore, one has to wonder about the real agenda of the visit of the Malaysian PM in 'wasting' his and Modi's time. China is one obvious concern; but what else was on the agenda that could translate into a 'tangible' outcome?
No one could tell about the detail of his visit agenda. As much as this deal is concerned, the bright spot for India is about supplying spare for Sukhoi. Its just a give and take deal for India. But if you do read the second article posted by @WolfPack86 , its not yet a done deal as IAF would check for their operational readiness first. For India, 10 planes is a mere plugging the hole thing while grasping an opportunity to earn by providing spare.
 

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I get that we wanna fill up the numbers, but then again 10 migs isn't that big of no in itself. Heck the Malaysian air force is sick of these birds. And at what level of air worthiness are these migs on? It all seems to be quite counter productive.
 

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I get that we wanna fill up the numbers, but then again 10 migs isn't that big of no in itself. Heck the Malaysian air force is sick of these birds. And at what level of air worthiness are these migs on? It all seems to be quite counter productive.
Read this report........

India will check air-worthiness of Malaysian Mig-29s before buying all for the IAF
A committee of defence experts will examine whether to consider buying MiG-29 fighter jets from Malaysia and upgrade them for use by Indian Air Force.

At the end of his visit here, Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak had said India is keen to buy MiG-29 fighter jets from his country and upgrade them for use by IAF.

Government sources said a committee of experts will examine the issue following which a decision may be arrived at.

Najib had said the proposal was among the aspects of military cooperation agreed to by Malaysia and India during his visit to New Delhi and talks with Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

He said the India's Ministry of Defence and the Royal Malaysian Air Force (TUDM) would look at the form of cooperation, including handling the Sukhoi aircraft and spare parts.

"There is a possibility too that they (India) will buy our MiG 29 aircraft for refit. We reciprocate by accepting spare parts for our Sukhoi aircraft programme," he was quoted as saying by Bernama news agency.

According to leading military aviation magazine, 'AirForces Monthly', the Royal Malaysian Air Force in 1995 procured 18 MiG-29N from Russia, and presently has 10 MiG-29N and 2 MiG-29NU (Trainers) in its fleet.
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Oh i missed the report, seems to answer one part of the question. But then again would 10 dated migs really solve the problem of numerical disadvantage?
 

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Oh i missed the report, seems to answer one part of the question. But then again would 10 dated migs really solve the problem of numerical disadvantage?
If 123 odd Tejas and 36 Rafales can't fill the gap, how could 10 Migs could suffice. But its not all about gap fill up. Its as I mentioned earlier, give and take policy. If we do offer something, then we would have to make it lucrative. Now when we are offering them Sukhoi spares, we have to make the deal lucrative enough.

So this is the toppings on ice cream which we had offered to Malaysia.
 

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If 123 odd Tejas and 36 Rafales can't fill the gap, how could 10 Migs could suffice. But its not all about gap fill up. Its as I mentioned earlier, give and take policy. If we do offer something, then we would have to make it lucrative. Now when we are offering them Sukhoi spares, we have to make the deal lucrative enough.

So this is the toppings on ice cream which we had offered to Malaysia.
So it all boils down to what and how much, will the Malaysians would be buying from us? Would it justify the cost of procurement of 10 mig 29 from them?
 

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So it all boils down to what and how much, will the Malaysians would be buying from us? Would it justify the cost of procurement of 10 mig 29 from them?
Yes........... Not only in monetary terms, but also strategically. Buying a plane is another thing and supply of spare part is another matter. While India would be spending a lot in one go, it would have a long term return against it.

Moreover its all about establishing yourself in the market. Although India is not supplying them a whole package deal, but never the less its trying to advertise itself in international market as a key supplier of parts. Its a strategic move on part of India.
 

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The real agenda my friend is the upcoming year end PM election and Mr.najib wants to be in the good eye s of the indian ethnics there in Malaysia .. He first went to Actor Rajnikanth s house to watched a movie with him before he even visited Delhi.. So its more of his personal trip which was given official colors for the election prospects ..

some thing does not add up.
The Royal Malaysian Air Force is very small compared to the IAF
India got the Mig 29 around 1985. Malaysia 1990. India later gone for Su 30 MKI. Malaysia followed suit and ordered Su 30 MKM now India gone for Rafael . will Malaysia follow
Assuming Mig 29 for Su 30 components goes through, it is spare change for both nations. The plethora of MOUs signed is nothing to crow about either. Therefore, one has to wonder about the real agenda of the visit of the Malaysian PM in 'wasting' his and Modi's time. China is one obvious concern; but what else was on the agenda that could translate into a 'tangible' outcome?
 

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Go ahead and buy it but upgrade them with Indian and Western systems, no more reliance on Russia. You can get spares for these from FSU states. Just a stop gap to get numbers up. These have too many hours to be viable long-term.
 

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