PLA Vs Indian Army On LAC discussion thread.

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PLA Vs Indian Army On LAC (** READ THE FIRST POST** )

EQUIPMENT: PLA Vs Indian Army On LAC

The Thread is main purpose is to update the knowledge about Indian Army and PLA`s equipment in mountain terrain along Line of actual Control, This analysis will help us to find real weakness and advantage within ourselves and PLA..

In this Thread we will strictly stick to Mil topics and strategy between PLA & IA..
the origin thread ,but was locked last night
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interesting topic, But there are some unprecise information there:
so I would like to creat my version of PLA Army weapons list in the similar structure....

1. all weapons listed are active in PLA Army service right now(red fonts)
but I would like to put some those under development(green fonts)
some types for export only which were mistakenly recognized as PLA army active equipment (Blue fonts)


2. pictures mainly, but I would give out the Type Name. you may google with it if you are interested in the specs. sorry about that.

3. since it's surposed to be in mountain terrain, it seems we are Restricted...LOL..ok, I would keep the weight in mind...

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I would like to complete my unfinished Part A last night...and then, moving to the Light Armor Secetion as Mr.Kunal Biswas requested.
 
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PART A

PLA REGULAR INFANTRY:

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Rifle all pix come from Gunworld.com

QBZ95 5.8mm main rifile of Army



QBZ03 5.8mm mainly used by Board Guard Regiment. it will apear here


QBZ-81-1 7.62mmphasing out,but still can be seen in BGR. 7.62 rifile might be better than 5.8mm in the fight between mountains.


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QBZ-95-1 we haven't see it in service (Kunal Biswas was wrong with the type name, QBZ97 is for export 5.56mm real QBZ97) improved 95 rifile.


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LMG


QBB95 LMG squad level


QJY88 5.8 mm LMG inforced unit will have it

as requested by Kunal Biswas, I would like to put an extra pic to prove this unfamiliar LMG in service.


QBB95-1 LMG supposed to be in service soon with QBZ95-1


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HMG

QJY88 5.8mmHMG company level status ...new model entering into service

AAA status


Type67-2 7.62mm HMG ...largely equipped,company level


QJZ89 12.7mm HMG battalion level
 
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Part A... continued

Rocket Launcher..

Type 69 serial Rocket Luncher 40mm squad level...old weapon but still can be seen in squad. Anti-tank and multi purpose with different Warhead



PF89 80mm anti tank and disposable...in an inforced squad, every member can bring one.



PF98 120 MM multi purpose
Company Level

Batallion Level with Fire control Sys



DZJ08 Anti-bunker Rocket launcher for combat engineer..disposable


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NONAUTOMATIC & AUTOMATIC GRENADE LAUNCHER:

QLT89 GL 50MM interesting weapon for mountain battle.


QLG91 serial GL 35MM


QLZ87 AGL 35MM


QLZ04 AGL 35mm new model ,enterying into service


LG4 6x 40mm Grenade Launcher nice looking weapon,but for export, haven't seen in regular unite.


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Flamethrowers:

Type-74


DFR89 individual incendiary disposable...


FHJO1 62MM for chemical defense unit. incendiary and smoking

wow
 
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the origin thread ,but was locked last night
you will find my unfinished part on page 6 of the original thread...

Part A... continued

SNIPER RIFLE and OTHERS

QBU-88 rifle 5.8mm standard Sharpshooter Rifile.


Type 79/85 rifle. 7.62mm..SVD,we all know that...largly equipped.


QBU09 12.7mm sniper rifle new model...with fire control system



QBS09 shotgun 18.4mm new model...for close combat in Jungles.might be useful in this area...


CS\LR4 7.62mm SNIPER RIFILE for police ,export and Special force .haven't seen in regular unit...

5.8mm version


the end of part A
 
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Part B
Light Armour. PLA Infantry fighting And troop Support vehicles..

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Light MECHANIZED INFANTRY Equipments: New Generation
8-Wheeled Vehicles Family
all varients are entering into service...with these vehicles, PLA Army are transforming some MECHANIZED INFANTRY Brigade into Stryker Style Brigade(pic below) as Fast Reaction Unit. these Brigades would be the first wave entering the Border Conflict Zone as reinforcement .


Infantry Carrier Vehicle 12.7mm MG mainly


Infantry Fight Vehicle 30mm Gun and 2 Antitank Missile Luncher


Command Vehicle


Fire Support Vehicle 100MM ASSULT GUN Infantry fire support


Fire Support Vehicle 105MM Light Tank Tank Killer


Fire Support Vehicle 120MM Self-Propelled Mortar-Howitzer Battlion Level Artillery, the successor of PLL-05 Self-Propelled Mortar-Howitze ,but the service status is unknown.


Fire Support Vehicle 122MM Self-Propelled Howitzer Brigade Level Artillery



Engineering Vehicle--Rescure


Engineer Squad Vehicle


Communication Vehicle


Air Defenc Vehicle single 35mm AA gun ,photo was taken during the trial.


Engineer Vehicle-- Bridge Layer not sure in service


VN1 IFV for Export 30mm Gun Export Version
 
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Shipborne interesting work, Finish it all, I will tell you why i selected only few..
 

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Besides thanks for opening we can discuss here rather there..
 

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Part B ...Continued
Light Armour. PLA Infantry fighting And troop Support vehicles..

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Light MECHANIZED INFANTRY Equipments: Old 6 wheeled Vehicle Family serving in the Army Since 1990s these varients are the backbone equipments of most PLA Army Light MECHANIZED INFANTRY Divisions/ Brigades/ Independent Regiments...the production of this 6-wheeled Vehicle family might have ended and moved to 8-wheels...I though indian army might be more familiar with these coz they are widely deployed aross XiZhang(Tibet)

ZSL92 Wheeled IFV 25mm Gun & 7.62mm MG


ZSL92A Wheeled ICV 12.7mm MG ICV..machine gun only


ZSL92B Wheeled IFV 30mm Gun improved ZSL92 IFV,new turret and new gun...successor of ZSL92


Command Vehicle


Engineering Vehicle- Rescure


PTL02 100mm Assaulting Gun Anti Tank ,Infantry closesupportingfire


PLL05 120mm Self-Propelled Mortar-Howitze Battlion Level Artillery


ATM Luncher HJ-9 4×4 wheeled Anti Tank..Brigade Level.


EW Vehicle


General Chassis for varients(Recon, Radar, AirDefence)
 
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Tell me when you will finish..
sorry ,I was watching the TianGong-1 lunching on TV
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Part B ...Continued
Light Armour. PLA Infantry fighting And troop Support vehicles..


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MECHANIZED INFANTRY Equipments: When confilct occurs and after the arriving of the First Wave reinforcement consists of Fast Reaction Unit and Light MECHANIZED INFANTRY and Motorized Infantry Brigades/Divisions. PLA Army would send their Heavy Units as Reserves in case any unfavourable situation , although most of battles would go on in the Mountains or Jungles terrain. IA already has some Armour and Mechanized INFANTRY Div.s deployed in this Area or near around,and a STRIKE Corp may be raised in near future...They might meet each other if there was some war....following Equipments are Standard Light Armour sets of PLA Army HEAVY MECHANIZED INFANTRY Div.s and ARMOUR Div.s

The 1st and 2ed Generation of Tracked IFVs both are active and will be in service for long time because the Limited budget and Large Amount...but the production of 1st Gen. IFV ended.

Type 86 IFV -1st Generation Copy of BMP-1, 73mm Low Presure Gun(Crap) and HJ73 ATM


ZBD86A 30mm Improved Type86,new turret with new gun


Command and Recon.Varient


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ZBD04 -2ed Generation BMP-3 Style turret.100mm,30mm,7.62mm, Missile,around 20Tones.


ZBD04A Heavy Armour version Improve ZBD04, 10Tones heavier, coming soon



Type89 Family--The 2nd Generation of Tracked Infantry Vehicle
ZSD89 Infatry Carrier Vehicle Base Varient...12.7mm MG


Command and Recon. Varient



Engineering Vehicle-Rescure


Communication Varients




Rare Varients but in service...Ambulance,GBL130 Mine Layer,ATM Luncher




Tracked Self-Propelled 120mm Mortar-Howitzer-----Improved Type 89 Tracked Vehicle Family

 
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Normally ,there are 15 posts per page...

in consideration of the possible bandwidth problem caused by excessive pics for some ones, I would like to post extra 3 Non-pic post here...sorry about this.
 
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PART C
MAIN BATTLE TANK


I have full agreement with Kunal Biswas's state about the MBT in the origal thread #5. post

the 40-tone ZTZ-96 and ZTZ-96A tanks are most used in this Military Region. although the heavier and more advanced ZTZ-99 serials are the favourite of PLA army nowadays.
 
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Next part will be a special Chapter about those Projects failed to be chosen in the 100mm, 105mm and 120mm wheeled Assault Gun compition.
 

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I like the pictures of the new kit, but let it be known that only a few experimental units in PLA actually have it.
 

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Special Chapter:
Wheeled Assault Gun Compition
these LOSERs from different R&D teams were revealed years ago. We might be able to see some of them on an International Exhibition.

105mm serial:
BK1990 105mm 8*8


BK1990 105mm 6*6 version


Project XX 105mm 6*6 version the same turret as PTL02 but different gun


Project XX 105mm 8*8 version


Project YY 105mm 6*6 version


Project ZZ 105mm 6*6 version


Project ZZ 105mm 8*8 version


120mm serial:
120mm 8*8 version


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A little correction:

this Assault Gun In Part B, new generation of 8×8 Wheeled Vehicle Family is 105mm not 100
 
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PART A

PLA REGULAR INFANTRY:

-----
Rifle all pix come from Gunworld.com

QBZ03 5.8mm mainly used by Board Guard Regiment. it will apear here


QBZ-81-1 7.62mmphasing out,but still can be seen in BGR. 7.62 rifile might be better than 5.8mm in the fight between mountains.


---

QJY88 5.8 mm LMG inforced unit will have it

as requested by Kunal Biswas, I would like to put an extra pic to prove this unfamiliar LMG in service.


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HMG

QJY88 5.8mmHMG company level status ...new model entering into service

AAA status


Type67-2 7.62mm HMG ...largely equipped,company level


QJZ89 12.7mm HMG battalion level


QJY 88 is not operational, The pic is old not even the uniform was updated, Other rifles are not included coz its not standered issue to the majority of PLA..

You have to post what Mountain Infantry carries aka light infantry foot soldiers..

HMG are not included coz it cannot be carried for assaults..

Part A... continued

Rocket Launcher..
PF89 80mm anti tank and disposable...in an inforced squad, every member can bring one.



DZJ08 Anti-bunker Rocket launcher


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NONAUTOMATIC & AUTOMATIC GRENADE LAUNCHER:

QLT89 GL 50MM interesting weapon for mountain battle.




DFR89 individual incendiary disposable...

DZJ08 80mm single shot rocket launcher, has garnered a good reputation among Chinese troops who have been able to use it. In development for eight years, it reached the troops in 2008. It has a 300 meter range, a 1.65 kg (3.63 pounds) warhead and the entire weapon weighs 7.5 kg (16.5 pounds). Compare to PF-89 of 200m range also, So DZJOB is considered better RL for such terrain, 50mm motar is good find and need more Info on DFR-89 range..

Other RL are over weight and only for static placements..



SNIPER RIFLE and OTHERS
Type 79/85 rifle. 7.62mm..SVD,we all know that...largly equipped.



QBS09 shotgun 18.4mm new model...for close combat in Jungles.might be useful in this area...


the end of part A

SVD are largely equipped in Chinese para military not PLA, Post a new pic with solider with SVD i will add..
Shot guns are issued to special units not regular mountain forces, It can be issued on special occasions other wise its not counted..

Anti-material rifle is operational ? if so the regular units have it ?, I have seen many but issued to airborne units, how much it weight.. ..
 

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Light Armour. PLA Infantry fighting And troop Support vehicles..

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Light MECHANIZED INFANTRY Equipments: New Generation
8-Wheeled Vehicles Family
all varients are entering into service...with these vehicles, PLA Army are transforming some MECHANIZED INFANTRY Brigade into Stryker Style Brigade(pic below) as Fast Reaction Unit. these Brigades would be the first wave entering the Border Conflict Zone as reinforcement .

Infantry Carrier Vehicle 12.7mm MG mainly


Infantry Fight Vehicle 30mm Gun and 2 Antitank Missile Luncher



Fire Support Vehicle 100MM ASSULT GUN Infantry fire support


Fire Support Vehicle 105MM Light Tank Tank Killer


Fire Support Vehicle 120MM Self-Propelled Mortar-Howitzer Battlion Level Artillery, the successor of PLL-05 Self-Propelled Mortar-Howitze ,but the service status is unknown.


Fire Support Vehicle 122MM Self-Propelled Howitzer Brigade Level Artillery


Air Defenc Vehicle single 35mm AA gun ,photo was taken during the trial.
Most of them are not operational but still experimental..
Only few variants like APC, and 122mm are in small numbers in ST, These pics tells more abt the current situation, I will add the 6x6 but will remove and place 8X8 in other thread as its still in small number and not operational in large scale..

Light Armour. PLA Infantry fighting And troop Support vehicles..

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Light MECHANIZED INFANTRY Equipments: Old 6 wheeled Vehicle Family serving in the Army Since 1990s these varients are the backbone equipments of most PLA Army Light MECHANIZED INFANTRY Divisions/ Brigades/ Independent Regiments...the production of this 6-wheeled Vehicle family might have ended and moved to 8-wheels...I though indian army might be more familiar with these coz they are widely deployed aross XiZhang(Tibet)

ZSL92 Wheeled IFV 25mm Gun & 7.62mm MG


ZSL92A Wheeled ICV 12.7mm MG ICV..machine gun only
I will add this APC, Its in large number and good mobility but eventually replaced by Snow Leos, Until i receive the use of Snow Leo in mass fire exercise i will put a hold on it..

sorry ,I was watching the TianGong-1 lunching on TV---------------------------------------------------


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ZBD04 -2ed Generation BMP-3 Style turret.100mm,30mm,7.62mm, Missile,around 20Tones.


ZBD04A Heavy Armour version Improve ZBD04, 10Tones heavier, coming soon



Type89 Family--The 2nd Generation of Tracked Infantry Vehicle
ZSD89 Infatry Carrier Vehicle Base Varient...12.7mm MG
Tracks are put of question coz they are heavy and big for the terrain..
 

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