Pakistan's Terror against the World

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Al-Qaida leader Zawahiri in Pakistan: Pentagon

hehe now Zawahiri too is in Pakistan :pound:

WASHINGTON: Al-Qaida leader Ayman al-Zawahiri is still in Pakistan, a Pentagon official said Wednesday, following the release of a video in which Osama bin Laden's successor blasts the United States.

for full news click here :- Al-Qaida leader Zawahiri in Pakistan: Pentagon - The Times of India

He is having a chaai-nashta session there in Pakistan i wonder how sadhartha will reply.
 

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My argument is that why is anyone being holier than thou. Terrorism is a global problem and globally supported. Its the same thing as you guys claim the UNSC is so non-representative of the world but you want to be a part of it too, not abolish it. You hate Pakistan's terrorism, but want others to continue the same against it.
Any country will be holy in front of Pakistan because of its duplicity in WoT and terrorist shenanigans else where. We hate Pakistan's terrorism and even others started hating Pakistan for the same.

Lets really face it.

The fundamental problem underneath it all is someone or the other is an enemy of freedom and wants you or me to live a life in a certain way of not their or my own choosing.
When did Pakistan become a paragon of freedom. Everybody lives under the diktat of PA, if any one raises voice they will be taken care of ala Journalist Shehzad.


In 5 minutes I gave you examples of all the major powers contributing to terrorism in our region, including India. It's irrelevant who did what, its relevant how can you redefine your baseline upon humanistic values where the use of such methods is no longer felt as the need.
They are not contributing to terrorism but are trying to weed out terrorist that Pakistan is contributing.


No one as a national policy envisions blowing someone up. But it happens. CIA wanted to flirt with terrorists, to gain influence over the anti-Pakistan TTP, something went wrong and they ended up with 6 dead CIA senior agents. Imagine what all they did in conjunction with the TTP where things didn't go wrong.
Pakistan does envision such policies. CIA flirted with terrorists to target the terrorists not to use as pawns as Pakistan does.

In Pakistan Musharraf thrust us into a war without national consent and today we're reeling from this fundamental lack of freedom, this lack of choice. You're seeing the same in Assam, Nagaland and of course Kashmir.
That is what happens when a country cheers military coups.

Yes terrorists are at fault for targeting innocents, but at some point they were survivors of innocent victims too. Today in FATA religion derives a lot less recruits to Taliban than does "Oh they killed so and so in my family and now I must seek revenge".

Until you're ready to back off your own contributions to terror you will see no change for the good.
That is the narrative of the Pakistani Army. Please do read about what other journalists (like Farhat Taj) who live among the Pashtuns are writing about the drone attacks. Oh BTW, I forgot that all these drone attacks has the sanction of Pakistan. Go figure.
 

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hehe now Zawahiri too is in Pakistan :pound:

WASHINGTON: Al-Qaida leader Ayman al-Zawahiri is still in Pakistan, a Pentagon official said Wednesday, following the release of a video in which Osama bin Laden's successor blasts the United States.

for full news click here :- Al-Qaida leader Zawahiri in Pakistan: Pentagon - The Times of India

He is having a chaai-nashta session there in Pakistan i wonder how sadhartha will reply.
LOL. I would like to see what explanation Pakistan would like to give. Will it say - intelligence failure or will it say Zawahari was dead long ago or will it change the safe house of Zawahari.
 

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Asim,

Do you accept that LeT and its fomr JuD is a terror organization?
LeT yes, JuD no.

JuD has not been proven to be a terror org. UN declared it just to oblige India. UN, Pakistan nor India has sufficient evidence to prove this charge in a court of law and hence they have never done so.

Hafiz says he hasn't participated in terror activities since he left LeT and no one has presented evidence to the contrary.

Do you accept that Masood Azhar who was released by India under threat of hijack is a terrorist?
YES! I actually hold resentment towards India for that release. He hasn't bombed India once, since then. Only bombed Pakistan.

Do you accept that Syed Saluddin is a terrorist?
Contrary to what you may believe we Pakistanis don't remember the names of these individuals on our finger tips. I had to google him up. As far as I have read news reports, I have heard that you would be hard pressed to find any incidents where Hizb ul Mujahideen have targeted the civilians in Kashmir, just the Indian army. Who are a legitimate target since Kashmiris are say leave, they don't leave, the only option is to fight. So they are a legitimate target in that sense and only in Kashmir which as far as news reports go HuM have stuck to Kashmir.

LeT strays across India, was involved in the Mumbai attacks... All very terrroristly things to do. Fighting an occupation force in occupied disputed territory are legitimate freedom fighter things to do. So I don't know much about the Character you asked me about but I do recognize the concept of freedom fighting within the constraints I just mentioned above.
 

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Contrary to the questioning I've received, if you read your own comments they are deeply drenched in the stew of terrorism support. Just because you're convinced with Pakistani culpability, you don't want to investigate, solve things diplomatically just downright support the terror in Pakistan.

To hell with that then.

Larna hai laro, baat karni hai toh baat karo. We will cooperate either way. But I'm appealing to you all not promote any further causes of violence and bloodshed between our nations and you need to look within yourselves. The hatred and venom you're showing here cannot be good for your future generations - if not immediately bad for your blood pressure.
 

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s expected, an answer that hides behind technicalities.

Tell me something. Is Osama bin Laden a terrorist? By your definition, he is not. He has not dirtied his hands in any terror activity directly. he has not killed anyone. He has not thrown a bomb at anyone. So is he a terrorist? Or may be not for your country, thats why you hid him for 10 years. But i await your answer.

JuD, a front for LeT collects money and funnels it for terror. Enough intel on it. Hafiz Saeed known to spread hate messages and calls for
'jihad" against India. Again you will give this another definition. For the rest of the world, the definition is only one, TERROR.

But as always, Pakistan is duplicitous in the fight against terror. And yes, the entire 180 million of your countrymen condone it.
 

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Asim,
10 years ago, posts such as yours might fool the people. But today, Pakistan stands exposed. It is considered a most dangerous nation with a heady mix of terrorism, gun culture, radicalism, feudalism, nukes, strong army, no civil administration, 180 million population...


It is not about India-pak anymore. Your country has become the biggest puzzle before the world and it is rapidly unraveling. Any terror incident around the world, and it has a link with Pakistan.

The bluff would have worked in the past, but not anymore. All the responsible powers of the world will have to come together to sanitise the lands and people that are considered part of Pakistan. I hope this is the process that is being worked at. The war that started in Astan has been widened to AfPak, but it still has not touched the core of the problem: Pakjabi Army and its terrorist pets. Eventually, they will have to be dealt with if the world is to live in peace.
 

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LeT yes, JuD no.

JuD has not been proven to be a terror org. UN declared it just to oblige India. UN, Pakistan nor India has sufficient evidence to prove this charge in a court of law and hence they have never done so..
LOL. LeT and JuD are run by the same people. Just because LeT changes its name to JuD doesn't mean JuD is not a terrorist organization. Do have a look at the leadership of LeT and JuD. In this age of internet where information flows freely people are not idiots anymore for you to pull wool over their eyes. Do check your own media, what they are saying about JuD.

Blacklisted group says Pakistan needs peace, prosperity | | DAWN.COM

http://archives.dawn.com/archives/143464
 

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:frusty::frusty::frusty: useless & illogical post. Lack of knowledge. You may live in your own fictional world.
Coming that from a pakistani is not even funny but an -oxymoron!!

I hope your head banging puts some sense into your head or do what you people are best at -creating conspiracy theories on the basis of the bigoted 'islamiyat' and 'pakistan studies' inculcated though your life time of indoctrination. There are hundreds of papers and interviews by eminent pakistanis enumerating the horrendous false education being imparted to the pupils of the abomination called Failed 'deep state' pakistan! It's common knowledge that your deep state imbibe hate, venom and malice in the heads of toddlers hence the result - people like you and others giving pakistan an international stature which no one else has ever achieved!
 

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LeT yes, JuD no.
You must think we are complete useless highschool dropouts! Yup the Umberella organization is non-terrorist, they collect money and give it to LeT who are terorrist.

JuD has not been proven to be a terror org. UN declared it just to oblige India. UN, Pakistan nor India has sufficient evidence to prove this charge in a court of law and hence they have never done so.
Yes, the world and UN is sitting there just to oblige India, if that was the case, then today Israel wouldnt have such difficult time in the UN.

Hafiz says he hasn't participated in terror activities since he left LeT and no one has presented evidence to the contrary
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So by his own admission and your statement he has participated before, Brilliant; hand him over, we will try for past crimes.

YES! I actually hold resentment towards India for that release. He hasn't bombed India once, since then. Only bombed Pakistan
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Atleast something good has happened out of that release. As usual ISI gets its ass bitten, very tactical onlee!

Contrary to what you may believe we Pakistanis don't remember the names of these individuals on our finger tips
No we completely understand, with the limitation of brain development because of inbreeding as well as the fact, that your society and government has made so many terrorists, it is all but quite natural that you forget their names.

. I had to google him up. As far as I have read news reports, I have heard that you would be hard pressed to find any incidents where Hizb ul Mujahideen have targeted the civilians in Kashmir, just the Indian army. Who are a legitimate target since Kashmiris are say leave, they don't leave, the only option is to fight. So they are a legitimate target in that sense and only in Kashmir which as far as news reports go HuM have stuck to Kashmir.
Let me guess this must be from Madarassa News Service. Indian Army is a Flagged Force of a Nation State, unlike HuM. There is a difference. They are not legitimate targets to anyone other than to a state to which they are at war. Is Pakistan at war with India? If not, no Pakistani has any right to harm Indian soldiers. Do you understand, wait you cant. Why? Because you are terrorist sympathizer. When are you going to earn your 72? Is the vest being stitched? As a Mohajir you need to show more love for pukeland than anyone.

Who told you Kashmiri's want to seperate? A few thousand loud mouths? You have more Balochi's and PoK's wanting to Seperate to be honest.

LeT strays across India, was involved in the Mumbai attacks... All very terrroristly things to do. Fighting an occupation force in occupied disputed territory are legitimate freedom fighter things to do. So I don't know much about the Character you asked me about but I do recognize the concept of freedom fighting within the constraints I just mentioned above
Ah, so you are the one who writes the field manual for terrorists!Can you pass on the rule book,dont forget to sign it. Who the fuck is the occupational force. India in all parts of the law are the legitimate authority of the whole J&K, if we go by the Chinese example, then we are the authority on the whole areas of South Asia and South East Asia. Just because some few thousand islamist shout at the top of their lungs in Sri nagar means diddy sqwat in th greater scheme of things.

Guess Balochi's and Pashtuns can very legitmately kill all the inbreds attacking them. Must be the slave mentality, Pakistan used to be the Frontier state of India, No other area in the sub continent has ever been so brutally raped, subjugated, forcibly converted, and their women raped by invaders, looted as the current areas of Pakistan, basically they are the product of rape. No wonder they have a skewed mind. Stockholm Syndrome
 
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It ultimately boils down to freedom fighter/terrorist theory, as they say, one man's terrorist is another freedom fighter. If Pakistani/India can't put aside their difference in terrorist/freedom fighter propositions, I'm afraid peace is not nigh.

As far as "Kashmiris told them to leave" is concerned, lot of people across the border have told uniformed soldiers, who are occupier force according to them, to leave what they deem their own area since time immemorial, if we adhere to that then Pakistan Army might also need to leave many places where they enjoy sovereignty. Let's not bring up cliched UN declared disputed land thingy, not having a UN resolution can't justify indigenous peoples' long for self-determination and UN might just have obliged Pakistan by putting forth a resolution on Kashmir.
 

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Abhir,
Pakistan is no more a problem of India alone. Of course, being their immediate neighbours and target of their infinite attention, we are cynosure of their terrorism. But, we are not alone anymore. The pakis have expanded their scope. They are not satisfied with a green flag on red fort anymore, they want to establish and lead the Ummah. More and more officers of PA share this vision with non-uniformed buddies(terrorist in common parlance).
 

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Contrary to the questioning I've received, if you read your own comments they are deeply drenched in the stew of terrorism support. Just because you're convinced with Pakistani culpability, you don't want to investigate, solve things diplomatically just downright support the terror in Pakistan.
Bah Wah paki, if there is ever a person , entity , society that is more ill suited to judge anyone else, that is the Pakistan and its awam. Utter disgrace to humanity.

To hell with that then.

We will cooperate either way.
If you have some sense you will, But I know Pakistani's are like a Dobermann's tail, absolutely no use. In reality I dont want you to cooperate. I want to see your society, which has caused so much harm its own minorities, neighbouring states and the world in general, to boil in its own broth.

But I'm appealing to you all not promote any further causes of violence and bloodshed between our nations and you need to look within yourselves. The hatred and venom you're showing here cannot be good for your future generations - if not immediately bad for your blood pressure
How dare you come to an Indian board and say that, after all that we have suffered at your inhuman hands. If you want to appeal, appeal to your people first, change them and punish them for their sins; then and ONLY THEN come to us. I have seen you in action for nearly a decade now, and i now what you are perfectly well. I know your beliefs and your slant. The new forumers might not, but I know.


Dear DFI Members,

None of your posts comes any close to of what is said in Pakistanidefenceforum.com, pakdef.info and def.pk. Let Asim change them, lets see wether the inbreeds can change. This is their tactical retreat and a true taaqiya.
 
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What's with the profanities, it's detrimental to any debate, well I'm no moderator here.
 

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How dare you come to an Indian board and say that, after all that we have suffered at your inhuman hands. If you want to appeal, appeal to your people first, change them and punish them for their sins; then and ONLY THEN come to us. I have seen you in action for nearly a decade now, and i now what you are perfectly well. I know your beliefs and your slant. The new forumers might not, but I know.
Exactly. It is not even funny to watch these antics. Those who express unadulterated glee at terror events are now pretending to be paragons of peace!!
 

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What's with the profanities, it's detrimental to any debate, well I'm no moderator here.
Whats with this 'love and care' for pakis, its a sign of WKK-itis, well its off-topic here and your personal issue. ;)
 

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I do have a life where I love and care real people, anyways consider me as weakling devoid of internet machismo.
Yea, yea, very unique features you have. Now, lets get back to serious debate.
 

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