Pakistan's Terror against the World

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Only one thing I want to say here, US has no hand in creating Taliban, it is an ISI's creation.
US didnt create anything directly. US paid Pakistan to get them a good fighting force against the Russians. US knew what the pakis would do and pakis did that. US knew that pakis had their own ideas(i.e unleash them on India) for the fighting force assembled under the flagship of Islam. US didnt care for the side-effects or perhaps even welcomed it. It was a very cozy win-win for both Pakis and US. US defeated its rival without dirtying their hands. They only had to part with $$$ which they had in plenty. Pakis get another lifeline for their country from $$ thrown at them by the US. Simultaneously, they could use this jihadis to bleed India through 1000 cuts.

But now, US and pakis blame each other. Pakis throw tantrums like a jilted lover that US betrayed them once they had what they wanted and left the poor miss Paki to her fate. US, on the other hand, pretends as if it did not know about terrorism until 9/11.

Whatever these two lovers pretend, we in India know and feel that this whole jihadi complex had been built by both US and pakis for their own agendas. India has been the constant victim.
 
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US will pursue Pakistan-based militants: Panetta



ABOARD A US MILITARY AIRCRAFT: US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta expressed frustration with Pakistan's government on Wednesday, warning that the US will not allow the attacks on US forces from Pakistan-based insurgents like the Haqqani network to continue.

Pointing to the 20-hour assault against the US Embassy and Nato headquarters in Kabul, Afghanistan, that finally ended Wednesday, Panetta said it is unacceptable that the Haqqanis are able to launch such deadly attacks and then flee to safety across the border in Pakistan.

"The message they need to know is: we're going to do everything we can to defend our forces," Panetta told reporters travelling with him to San Francisco, California, for meetings with Australian officials.

He refused to say whether the US plans to take any new military actions, but there has been an escalating US campaign of drone strikes into Pakistan's border regions. The Haqqanis are a lethal terror group allegedly based in Pakistan's border area.

"Time and again we've urged the Pakistanis to exercise their influence over these kinds of attacks from the Haqqanis, and we have made very little progress in that area," Panetta said. "I'm not going to talk about how we're going to respond. "¦ We're not going to allow these types of attacks to go on."

US officials have blamed the Haqqani network for the nearly daylong assault on the heavily guarded Afghan capital. The attack left 27 dead, including police, civilians and attackers, officials said.

Panetta's remarks reflect growing US impatience over Islamabad's perceived reluctance to go after the Haqqanis, who are connected to both the Taliban and al-Qaeda and present the most significant threat to Afghanistan's stability.

US officials have repeatedly pressed the Pakistanis to move against insurgent havens in the border region, including in North Waziristan.

The Haqqanis allegedly use the territory to launch attacks against US and Afghan forces across the border.

US relations with Pakistan have been rocky amid complaints about the increased American drone attacks across the border. But they worsened after the US special operations forces crossed into Pakistan in May to raid the Abbottabad compound where al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden had been hiding for years. Bin Laden was killed in the raid, and Pakistani officials were angry about what they considered an assault on their country's sovereignty.

No Nato or US Embassy employees were hurt in the Kabul attack that ended around dawn Wednesday. Eleven Afghan civilians were killed, more than half of them children, said US Marine Corps Gen. John Allen, the top US commander in Afghanistan. Five Afghan police officers were also killed, along with 11 insurgents.

Asked whether the attack raised concerns about the Afghans' ability to take over their own security, Panetta said that overall their response was good. He repeated US assertions that the violence levels in Afghanistan continue to decline, and the Taliban has been weakened.

"These kinds of sporadic attacks and assassination attempts are more a reflection of the fact that they are losing their ability to be able to attack our forces on a broader scale," Panetta said.

In other remarks to reporters, the defence chief said that negotiations are progressing well with the Iraqis over a continued US presence in that country after the end of the year.

He said there still were no decisions on the number of US troops that may stay, but the talks are centring on what kind of training and counterterrorism assistance the Iraqis will need.

The Iraqis are grappling with whether they will formally ask the Obama administration to keep a relatively small number of US troops — between 3,000 and 10,000 — in Iraq beyond the military's December 31 withdrawal deadline.

US officials favour a plan that would leave between 3,000-5,000 troops there, largely to train Iraqi forces. The Obama administration also is considering staging American troops in Kuwait next year as a backup or rotational training force for Iraq.

US officials are concerned that without additional training, the Iraqi forces will not be able to defend its borders or air space and may squander the hard-fought security gains.

Officials have talked about the plans on condition of anonymity because nothing is final. About 45,000 US troops are in Iraq.


US will pursue Pakistan-based militants: Panetta | Pakistan | DAWN.COM
 

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Ray all those things are debatable. Initial justifications were an impending Soviet invasion, then strategic depth, then India on the western front, so on. However I've not argued the merits or demerits of these points, simply how unfair and inhumane a depiction of all of the country's people as terrorists in the fabricated ad picture. I mean what are the goals? Will that end anything related to terrorism? I think it will just increase people-to-people hatred of the common man. I was appealing to DFI not to carry on this unacceptable level of India vs Pakistan rivalry where your target is not government or groups but the simple common man.
Earlier the thinking was that common Pakistanis were mere spectators while the PA/ISI ran the affairs. Hence the "AMan ki Asha" and what not.

Events over the years have proved that we were expecting a lot from the Pakistanis. You guys could not even condemn the killing of one of your own, Salman Taseer, what can we expect from the people of Pakistan when there is a terror attack against India and when hundreds of innocents die here? Apart from a few crocodile tears we expect nothing. in fact condolences from Pakistan after a terror attack in India to me feels like salt in the wound.
The signature of defpk admin which is something lik "as long as PA is there pak is there" or something like that shows what the forum policy is. PA and its complicity in fermenting terror is apparent. PA/ISI combine is the biggest terror network in the world. No one now even buys the rogue elements theory.
What are the people of Pakistan doing against this state sponsored terror? Sitting back and supporting it while their own country is up in flames as a result of extremism. So when a posted showing 180 million supporters of terror comes up, there is nothing wrong. IF there are a few who dont condone it, the figure does not change as 180 million is a ball park figure anyway.
 

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Ray all those things are debatable. Initial justifications were an impending Soviet invasion, then strategic depth, then India on the western front, so on. However I've not argued the merits or demerits of these points, simply how unfair and inhumane a depiction of all of the country's people as terrorists in the fabricated ad picture. I mean what are the goals? Will that end anything related to terrorism? I think it will just increase people-to-people hatred of the common man. I was appealing to DFI not to carry on this unacceptable level of India vs Pakistan rivalry where your target is not government or groups but the simple common man.
Hey, where did you surface from without my knowing of your presence?

First of all, let me welcome you.

Indeed, everything is debatable.

I have come into the debate late and so have not read through all the posts and hence will be a trifle hamstrung to debate all the issues if they have some reference to posts written earlier.

Not all Pakistanis can be held accountable for the miseries occurring.

Strategic depth is an incorrect term as I have mentioned in many a post in many a forum. Strategic Depth is applicable to one's own country wherein there is adequate space to locate the military industrial complexes and the economic icons wherein it is not affected by the first flush of invasion or even the second. Afghanistan, being an independent country, cannot be a strategic depth of Pakistan.

As far as terrorism is concerned, neither you nor I can do anything to stop it since we are not in the organisation to call the shots. It is a call that those who are organising, funding and launching the terrorists will have to take. Sooner, the better, since it is affecting the citizens and the progress of the nations affected by terrorism.

While it is laudable to call a halt to the India vs Pak slugfest, but since this forum does not have a ban policy, one wonders what one can do. If one is pragmatic, can one really halt these, what the Punjabis call, tu, tu, main, main? If indeed, we could halt the Pak vs India, these posters are very imaginative, as they are in your forum, and they will find another windmill to poise their lance against.

It happens in all forums and it makes the Moderators tear their hair and removing one irritant surfaces another and the story goes on!

I, however, appreciate your sentiments.
 
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This is proof of your lack of knowledge starting stupidity when you have no information over educational system of Pakistan. I am talking here over some factual bases but not over any Madras information.

Sophistication in this forum vanished, so don't be so radical. Islamyat & Pak studies are regular subject but these are not used for brainwashing so in this respect there are subject in India too i can mention used for brainwashing.

You can't give us examples of some ill minded idiots Adnan sami or somebody like that, it will not prove you want.
As far as the education system in Pakistan, it was highlighted in the Sethi commentaries of Duniya TV (?).

He was not one off a personality who indicated the fallacy and fault lines. It was also adequately enunciated by Pakistani scholars in their studies and reports.

Here is one (and the link is from Pakistan)

The Subtle Subversion - The State of Curricula and Textbooks in Pakistan

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States quite often use formal education as a tool to disseminate and perpetuate their political messages. In the Pakistani context, the use of education as a political tool intensified after 1971 mainly due to the demands of redefining Pakistan after the political crisis of East Pakistan and emergence of Pakistan as a truncated country. The military government of General Zia ul Haq after the coup in 1977 had its own problem of legitimacy, which it tried to guise in an overarching quest for Islamization of the society.

Education was among the first of its victims. Religious political parties became enthusiastic partners in this quest. In the educational sphere, this amounted to a distorted narration of history, factual inaccuracies, inclusion of hate material, a disproportionate inclusion of Islamic studies in other disciplines, glorification of war and the military, gender bias, etc. Subsequent governments either failed to check these harmful deviations, or willingly perpetuated them.
The civil society of Pakistan reacted almost immediately to the Zia government's policies of Islamization of education. A number of educationists wrote articles, research papers and books highlighting the way in which the educational space was being usurped by blatant indoctrination. The first question they addressed was regarding distortions in history, and the contributions of Pervez Hoodbhoy, K. K. Aziz, I. A. Rahman, Mubarak Ali, and A. H. Nayyar were noteworthy. The first known work on the deliberate distortion of history for ideological reasons was from Pervez Hoodbhoy and A. H. Nayyar1, pointing out the policy directive that had brought about the change and the subsequent distortions entering the Pakistan Studies textbooks, the foremost target of the process of Islamization of education. Soon
thereafter, the Lahore-based Society for the Advancement of Education (SAHE) produced a report in 1986 on Pakistan's curriculum based on a countrywide consultation involving a number of eminent educationists of the country2.

Our analysis found that some of the most significant problems in the current curricula and textbooks are:

􀁸􀀃 Inaccuracies of fact and omissions that serve to substantially distort the nature and significance of actual events in our history.
􀁸􀀃 Insensitivity to the existing religious diversity of the nation
􀁸􀀃 Incitement to militancy and violence, including encouragement of Jehad and Shahadat
􀁸􀀃 Perspectives that encourage prejudice, bigotry and discrimination towards fellow citizens, especially women and religious minorities, and other towards nations.
􀁸􀀃 A glorification of war and the use of force
􀁸􀀃 Omission of concepts, events Outdated and incoherent pedagogical practices that hinder the development of interest and insight among students
Outdated and incoherent pedagogical practices that hinder the development of interest and insight among students
This history is narrated with distortions and omissions. The causes, effects, and responsibility for key events are presented so as to leave a false understanding of our national experience. A large part of the history of South Asia is also omitted, making it difficult to properly interpret events, and narrowing the perspective that should be open to students. Worse, the material is presented in ways that encourage the student to marginalize and be hostile towards other social groups and people in the region.

The curricula and textbooks are insensitive to the religious diversity of the Pakistani society. While learning of Islamiat is compulsory for Muslim students, on average over a quarter of the material in books to teach Urdu as a language is on one religion. The books on English have lessons with religious content. Islamiat is also taught in Social Studies classes. Thus, the entire is heavily laden with religious teachings, reflecting a very narrow view held by a minority among Muslims that all the education should be essentially that of Islamiat.24

There is a strong current of exclusivist and divisive tendencies at work in the subject matter recommended for studies in the curriculum documents as well as in textbooks.

Pakistani nationalism is repeatedly defined in a manner that excludes non-Muslim Pakistanis from either being Pakistani nationals or from even being good human beings. Much of this material runs counter to any efforts at national integration

The Constitution of Pakistan is cited but misinterpreted, in making the reading of the Qur'an compulsory in schools. The Constitution requires the compulsory reading of the Qur'an for Muslim students alone, but in complete disregard of this restriction, it is included in the textbooks of a compulsory subject like Urdu which is to be read by students of all religions. The Class III Urdu textbook has 7 lessons on Nazra Qur'an and its translations. The Urdu and Social Studies curricula even ask for all the students to be taught Islamic religious practices like Namaz and Wuzu.
http://www.teachereducation.net.pk/reports/rp22.pdf
 
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An independent Astan is more dangerous to Pakistan's ravaged integrity than India is. That may be reason to keep Astan destabilized. Strategic depth is just an excuse to justify this.
Shia Iran can be manipulated easily by the happenings inside the Wahabi oriented Sunni Pakistan- They can be forced to take a harder stance on Pakistan, by increasing the tension of Sunni's and Shia's. It is clear that Shia's will be at the receiving end. We might not have to do it, since the Sunni's of Pakistan under the influence and instruction of Saudi Arabia will do it for us. How Balochistan can be freed with the acceptance of Balochi's as well as Iranians is a matter of very very tight rope. If we can get Iran and US to consider a new beginning, that is the demise of Pakistan.

Consider a strong Afghanistan, which will want abolishing of the durrand line, and reuniting of Pathans. Is something that will make the Pakistani's soil their salwar's.

Then to their east, we have ourselves very firmly and aggressively planted. If there is a common strategy, the above can be achieved atleast partly.

I am sure my son will be able to enjoy it with beer and popcorn with his dad, with a glee on their faces, and thousands of victims of terrorism in India and also abroad, finally having their deaths avenged and resting in peace forever.
 

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Not all Pakistanis can be held accountable for the miseries occurring.
They can be, simple because they refuse to resist and they are the largest funders of them.

Afghanistan, being an independent country, cannot be a strategic depth of Pakistan.
Pakistani's believe a weak Afghanistan as a vassal state or as a protectorate is enough it to be strategically useful for Pakistan.

As far as terrorism is concerned, neither you nor I can do anything to stop it since we are not in the organisation to call the shots. It is a call that those who are organising, funding and launching the terrorists will have to take. Sooner, the better, since it is affecting the citizens and the progress of the nations affected by terrorism.
Who donates the most to JuD : - The Pakistani public through their various donation collection boxes and centers. The public of pakistan is responsible. It is not Saudi's or ISI/Pak Government which is the largest funders, but the general public.

While it is laudable to call a halt to the India vs Pak slugfest, but since this forum does not have a ban policy, one wonders what one can do. If one is pragmatic, can one really halt these, what the Punjabis call, tu, tu, main, main? If indeed, we could halt the Pak vs India, these posters are very imaginative, as they are in your forum, and they will find another windmill to poise their lance against.
Having been in Pakistani forums before, let me make it very clear to you Brigadier, this is a tactical retreat from them, this is about making us stop while they regroup. Pakistan as a nation has lost its narrative to the world, it is now lying open and naked. They want their victims, that is us, to support them, while not really changing their attitudes towards us or our concerns.
 

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[hl]All Norther alliance and Taliban related posts moved here. Please maintain the focus of the thread. Add more statistics on the contribution of Pakistan to Terrorism[/hl]
 

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Is Sunni-majority Pakistan in the midst of a low-grade war against its minority Shiite population? Scarcely a month goes by without word of a new atrocity: a car bomb outside a Shiite mosque in Quetta during Ramadan, a suicide bombing of a Shiite procession in Lahore, Shiite doctors mysteriously shot in Karachi.

In July, after prosecutors failed to find evidence of his alleged involvement in the murders of scores of Shiites, Parkistan's Supreme Court released Malik Ishaq, leader of the banned Sunni sectarian group Lashkar-e-Jhangvi. He promptly received a hero's welcome from his followers.
Sadanand Dhume: The Sunni Civil War Against Shia in Pakistan - WSJ.com

Courtesy : The Wall Street Journal
 

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Why India here? Why not India has to stop financing, supporting terrorism from Afghanistan? Pakistan didn't support terrorism but there is neighbour accusing us over terrorism which run by him covertly.


what you did in kashmir for the last 25 yrs and before in Indian Punjab for 10 yrs. wat u call that??????,It's pay back time mate. I have lot of documented proof of your paki media only, who clearly mentioned how pak funded and trained Kashmiri and khalistani terrorist.

jab dard diya ha to lena bhi seekho bache ..
 

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You should understand difference between struggle and terrorism. Our Kashmir cause didn't support terrorism. But Kashmir suffered by Indian state terrorism. If you don't like Kashmir's struggle to free IOK then leave it but don't accuse them with modern general terminology when you have nothing to say.
Massive graves in Kashmir a slap on India when it used word terrorism for Pakistan. So decide WHO IS TERRORIST?

what about funding and training to khalistan terrorists for so many yrs. Punjab was not a disputed territory...if u support freedom struggle, then y complaining freedom struggle by baloucis...

freedom struggle ko support karne ka thaeka sirf tum logo ne le rakha ha kya :mad2::mad2:
 

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Sir

You are forgetting history! It's not India suffered by Pakistan but Pakistan which is suffered by India, i don't want to derail thread but being a senior member you should keep in mind past when you are making a statement. From the beginning of Pakistan What India didn't do against Pakistan? and now India with help of US doing everything sitting in Afghanistan to harm Pakistan. I don't think i have to explain you more. Terrorist camps, planning, blasts, training ....list quite long so India can't cover its sins.

Self loving argument, civilized world (India) which lost its respect from the first day 15th August.
You should study all the links members providing here and come up with the links you are trying to support, and that's the way of free debate in a forum like this, but you are ranting on...You haven't supported a single claim of yours with any valid and unbiased link or source, on the other hand we can give a thousand links for what your country has done to support terrorism against India and the whole world.Read this one :-

RFI - Inside a jihadi training camp

Inside a jihadi training camp


interview by Tony Cross
Article published on the 2008-05-11 Latest update 2008-05-14 14:51 TU

Karachi, Pakistan, 22 February 2008

"While Pakistan's three largest parties are all secular, the mainstream politicians are at pains to justify their policies when it comes to Islam. Sikandria Hayat Janjua, a member of the far-left Labour Party, feels no such constraint. Sitting in a hotel restaurant, he rips into religion at considerable volume.

Janjua's outspokenness has landed him in trouble more than once. One night, after outlining a vigorous critique of Islam to a young man who was staying with him, Janjua says he woke up to find the shocked believer stabbing him repeatedly.


He fought him off, summoned help and was taken to hospital, where, he's happy to report, medical science saved his life.

"I believe that we will one day conquer death," he tells me.

Janjua's religious skepticism dates from the death of his father, a soldier who was killed in the nominally-independent region of Azad Kashmir in 1980. His killer was not an Indian soldier defending Delhi's rule of much of the divided state, but an Islamist who took exception to what Janjua calls his father's "progressive views".

Janjua joined the secular Jammu and Kashmir Student Federation and then came to Karachi University, where he now leads an organisation called the Progressive Youth Front. The group's relations with the Islamist student organisations are not friendly.

But back home in Azad Kashmir Janjua is part of the community. So in 2001, when a group of young men went off to an Islamist training camp, they invited him to attend. He says he went back on two other occasions, in 2003 and 2004.

Janjua says that there are five such camps in Azad Kashmir and that they take in about 180 18-22-year-old men for six-month courses in fighting for Islam, including preparation to become suicide-bombers.

"They welcome me as a Muslim and took me to a barracks," he says of his first visit.

The fajr prayers, at dawn, were followed by readings from the Koran, with verses that Janjua says were selected to encourage suicide-attacks. The readings were followed by physical training.

He says he attended an international training camp at Kotly, 160 kilometres north of Islamabad, where the mullahs tried to convince him to join their version of jihad.

"They said 'You will be in heaven, paradise, and you will be with houris [the pure and beautiful companions promised to the faithful]," recalls Janjua. "You will get then wine and different kinds of fruits, honey, and you will have your own luxury cars and horses.'"

Most of the youths who go to the camps are poor, Janjua says, attracted by promises of happiness that escapes them on earth. Some are criminals, invited to atone for their sins by sacrificing themselves for the fundamentalist cause.

"They are told that 'You are a criminal and you will be in heaven and this is the way - that you take a jacket and finish your enemy all over the world, especially India, British, America and all the white-skins'."

Janjua confirms reports that Pakistan's secret services help the camps and that some of the preachers were from the military. He adds that Saudi Arabia is a major financial backer.

The camps still exist, he says, but their names have changed. In 2001 these were bellicose references to the armies of the faithful.

"Now their terrorist camps are changed, like gardens and like flowers' names," he says.

Janjua hopes that a PPP-led government in alliance with secular parties like the Awami National Party in the North-West Frontier Province will bring the intelligence services to heel and close the camps.

"This is my hope. Ground realities may be different," he concludes."

Please do not rant reply without any proof or valid links.
 

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This is proof of your lack of knowledge starting stupidity when you have no information over educational system of Pakistan. I am talking here over some factual bases but not over any Madras information.

Sophistication in this forum vanished, so don't be so radical. Islamyat & Pak studies are regular subject but these are not used for brainwashing so in this respect there are subject in India too i can mention used for brainwashing.









You can't give us examples of some ill minded idiots Adnan sami or somebody like that, it will not prove you want.
see level of education in your Na-pakistan




See ur na-pak people talking of ur na pak education system...


 
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Pakistani Military Officers' Links with Jihadist Organizations
By: Tufail Ahmad*


Introduction
In recent years, a steady stream of media reports has revealed a long-running, deep nexus between the Pakistani military officers and terrorist organizations in Pakistan. Many of these Pakistani military officers have been arrested, dismissed from service, or jailed in connection with their involvement with militant groups.
The Pakistani military does not generally confirm media reports that link its personnel to militant organizations. However, close observers of Pakistan developments know that Pakistani government officials sometimes refer to Pakistani soldiers arrested for their role in terror attacks in Pakistan as "former" soldiers.
The cases involving Pakistani military officers range from coup plots, assassination attempts on General Pervez Musharraf when he was the president of Pakistan and chief of the Pakistani army, major terror attacks in Pakistani cities, and attacks on Pakistan Navy headquarters in Karachi, half a dozen bases of Pakistan Air Force (PAF), and Pakistan Army headquarters in Rawalpindi, among others.
The main element connecting these military officers and jihadist organizations in Pakistan is the officers' jihadist mindset, and opposition to the U.S.-led war on terror. Some of the examples of such plots, coup attempts and terror attacks in which Pakistani military officers were involved are related below. Some of these cases, revealing the jihadist mindset of Pakistani officers, occurred prior to the 9/11 attacks.
Two former officers of Pakistani military's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), Khalid Khwaja and Colonel Imam - who nurtured a generation of the Taliban - were kidnapped and killed by the Taliban in 2010 and 2011, denoting the emergence of an ideologically committed and younger generation of militants who no longer accept instructions from ISI.
The ISI, which has come under international scrutiny for its long-standing role in creating and nurturing militant groups, does not officially admit any wrongdoing by its agents. However, its role in the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks became the subject of court investigations in two cases in the U.S. - the Chicago plot led by David Headley and Tahawwur Hussain Rana, and a case brought before a New York court by relatives of U.S. citizens killed in the Mumbai attacks.
In a rare instance, the current ISI chief Lt.-Gen. Shuja Pasha – who is summoned by the New York court – admitted during a conversation with then-CIA Director Michael Hayden that at least two "former" Pakistan Army officers with links to the ISI were involved in the November 26, 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, according to a book by celebrated journalist Bob Woodward.[1]
Former Pakistani Soldier Sentenced to Death over Role in 2009 Pakistan Army Headquarters Attack
In mid-August 2011, Pakistani media reports revealed that a military court sentenced to death a "former" soldier over the October 10, 2009 terror attack on the General Headquarters (GHQ) of Pakistan Army in Rawalpindi.[2] The soldier was identified as Mohammad Aqeel aka Dr. Usman, who served in the medical corps of Pakistan Army.
Imran Siddiq, another member of the Pakistani military, was jailed for life, along with others.[3] Dr. Usman was reported to have links with terrorist groups Jaish-e-Muhammad and Harkat-ul-Ansar.[4]
Serving Pakistan Army Brigadier, Four Majors Arrested for Links to Hizbut Tahrir
In June 2011, the Pakistan Army, in perhaps the first such case, confirmed the arrest of Brigadier Ali Khan, one of its brigadiers posted at the GHQ in Rawalpindi.[5] Ali was arrested over his alleged ties with Hizbut Tahrir on May 6, just four days after the May 2, 2011 killing of Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. Hizbut Tahrir has been proactively seeking to recruit Pakistani soldiers in its mission to engineer a Pakistani military-led Islamic revolution in Pakistan.
After the arrest of Brigadier Ali Khan, the Pakistan Army also arrested four military officers. Major-General Athar Abbas, spokesman of the Pakistani military's Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) department, confirmed their arrests, stating that four army majors were detained for their links with Hizbut Tahrir.[6] The four majors were not believed to be deployed at the GHQ in Rawalpindi.
Later, a former military official, Brigadier (ret.) Shaukat Qadir, told a journalist that Pakistani military was undecided on whether to commit Brigadier Ali Khan and the four majors to a military trial or dismiss them from service.[7]
Former Pakistan Navy Commando Arrested in 2011 Karachi Naval Base Attack
In May 2011, Pakistan detained a former commando of Pakistan Navy and his brother in connection with the May 22, 2011 terror attack on PNS Mehran, the main airbase of Pakistan Navy in Karachi.[8] The former commando was identified as Kamran Ahmed, who was reportedly sacked from the Pakistan Navy 10 years ago.
In August 2011, a Pakistani newspaper reported that three officers of the Pakistan Navy were to be tried by a military court in connection with the PNS Mehran terror attack – reportedly for their negligence.[9] The three were identified as PNS Mehran base commander Commodore Raja Tahir and his subordinates.
WikiLeaks Reveals 2006 U.S. Cable: Pakistani Airmen Sabotaging Aircraft Used in Counter-Terror Operations
In May 2011, whistleblower website WikiLeaks revealed a March 2006 cable sent by the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad to Washington, which quoted Pakistan's then-Deputy Chief of Air Staff for Operations Air Vice Marshal Khalid Chaudhry as saying that airmen of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) were sabotaging Pakistani F-16s deployed in security operations against the Taliban in the Pakistani tribal region.
Generally, F-16 aircraft are used in wars, not in counter-terrorism operations. But the same U.S. embassy cable confirmed that Pakistan does use the F-16s in counter-terrorism operations in the Pakistani tribal region.
According to the cable, Air Vice Marshal Chaudhry claimed "to receive reports monthly of acts of petty sabotage, which he interpreted as an effort by Islamists amongst the enlisted ranks to prevent PAF aircraft from being deployed in support of security operations"¦"[10]
Times Square Bomber Faisal Shahzad's Father and Retired Vice Marshal Detained
In May 2010, Air Vice Marshal (Retired) Baharul Haq was taken into preventive custody by the intelligence agencies in Pakistan just days after his son Faisal Shahzad carried out a failed car bombing in New York's Times Square.[11]
The inference is not that Baharul Haq had links with terrorist organizations, but his detention in the town of Hasan Abdal, carried out reportedly to prevent him from speaking to the media, revealed the reach of Pakistani militants to the highest levels in the Pakistani military.[12]
Former Pakistan Army Major Linked to 2009 Attack on Sri Lankan Cricket Team in Lahore
Ahsanul Haq, a former major of Pakistan Army who trained militants for war in Afghanistan and Kashmir, was arrested over alleged links to the Times Square bomber Faisal Shahzad, but was later released.[13]
Haq told a journalist that during his arrest for five months in 2007 he was "treated like a VIP" by the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).[14] A Pakistani police report in to the 2009 terror attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team found that Haq "gave logistical support to unspecified Taliban and other fighters."[15]
Senior police investigator Zulfikar Hameed said that the police force reported its suspicions to the ISI, which told him the major was not involved in the 2009 attack on the Sri Lankan cricketers, and therefore Haq was no longer wanted by the police.[16] Haq is now aligned with the Tablighi Jamaat, a revivalist Islamist movement.
57 Personnel of Pakistan Air Force Arrested Over Links with Terrorists
In the months after the 2003 assassination attempts on Pakistan Army Chief and President General Pervez Musharraf, at least 57 employees of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) were arrested by Pakistani authorities on charges of contacts with terrorists and involvement in anti-state activities.[17]
The website of the Pakistani daily The Nation noted that six Pakistani military officials were sentenced to death, adding: "Six officials, including Khalid Mehmood, Karam Din, Nawazish, Niaz, Adnan, and Nasrullah were sentenced to death, while 24 were arrested and dismissed from service for opposing [anti-terror] policies of the then-President [Pervez] Musharraf and his government.."[18]
"The arrested, accused, and the convicts had been working at various airbases, including Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Kamra, Minhas Airbase, Sargodha Airbase, Lahore Airbase, Faisal Airbase, and Mianwali Airbase," the report said, adding that 26 of the 57 officials were sentenced to 3-17 years of imprisonment by a military court.[19]
Pakistan's ISI Officers and Al-Qaeda Directed Former Pakistani Cadets Headley and Rana in Mumbai Attacks
David Headley and Tahawwur Husain Rana – who are jailed in the U.S. over an international terror plot involving Denmark and the November 26, 2008, terror attacks in Mumbai – are graduates of a military academy based in the Pakistani town of Hasan Abdal.[20] David Headley, who changed his name from Daood Gilani, is a Pakistani-American and Tahawwur Husain Rana is a Pakistan-Canadian citizen.
After the arrest of Headley and Rana in Chicago, pressure mounted on Pakistan over the involvement of the Pakistani military's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) in the 2008 Mumbai attacks. In the summer of 2009, the Pakistani military reportedly arrested five people, including "some former or current Pakistani military officials."[21] The former Pakistani military graduates were also accused in the U.S. prosecution complaints of reporting to Ilyas Kashmiri, an Al-Qaeda commander.[22]
According to a media report, two Pakistani intelligence officials, speaking anonymously, said that phone records showed the five Pakistani officers had contacted Headley and Rana.[23] The five included a retired brigadier general and two active lieutenant colonels.
New Delhi Court Issued Arrest Warrants for Two Pakistan Army Officers
In July 2010, based on the information revealed by David Headley to the U.S. authorities in Chicago, a court in New Delhi issued non-bailable arrest warrants against two serving officers of the Pakistan Army and three Lashkar-e-Taiba commanders.
The two Pakistan Army officers were identified as Major Iqbal and Major Sameer Ali.[24] The arrest warrants were sought in order for Interpol to issue red corner notices for their arrest in connection with the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks case.
The Indian government has named at least five "serving" members of the Pakistani armed forces – Majors Sajid Majid, Major Iqbal, Major Sameer Ali, Sayed Abdul Rehman aka Pasha and Abu Hamza – for their role in the Mumbai terror attacks.[25]
Pakistan's ISI Chief, Army Officers Wanted By New York Court for the 2008 Mumbai Terror Attacks
The case involving David Headley and Tahawwur Hussain Rana has revealed that the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) of the Pakistani military was behind the November 26, 2008 Mumbai terror attacks. The officials of ISI are recruited from all the three wings of the Pakistani military: air force, navy, and army.
In a case brought before a New York court by relatives of U.S. citizens killed in the Mumbai terror attacks, summonses were issued for several former and current Pakistani military officers, including ISI chief Lt.-Gen. Shuja Pasha, Major Iqbal, Major Sameer Ali, Nadeem Taj, and others.[26] In the same case, terrorist commander and Lashkar-e-Taiba chief Hafiz Muhammad Saeed and several other militants are named as defendants.
In December 2010, the Pakistani government took a decision to defend the ISI chief, Lt.-Gen. Shuja Pasha, before the court in New York.[27] In June 2011, the government of India indicated that it may join the New York lawsuit filed by the relatives of the U.S. citizens killed in the Mumbai attacks against Shuja Pasha, Hafiz Muhammad Saeed, and others.[28]
According to a book by journalist Bob Woodward, Lt.-Gen. Shuja Pasha admitted in a conversation with the then-CIA Director Michael Hayden that two "retired" officers of Pakistan Army who had ISI links were involved in the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, adding: "There may have been people associated with my organization [ISI] who were associated with this"¦ That's different from authority, direction and control [of the Mumbai attacks operation]."[29]
In 2009, Colonel Shahid Bashir was Arrested for Links to Hizbut Tahrir
In May 2009, Colonel Shahid Bashir, Commanding Officer of the Shamsi Air Force base in Baluchistan, was arrested by military police for his links with Hizbut Tahrir.[30] Along with him, two others arrested included retired Pakistan Air Force fighter pilot Squadron Leader-turned lawyer Nadeem Ahmad Shah and a U.S.-educated mechanical engineer and visa holder Awais Ali Khan.[31]
According to a Pakistani media report, Colonel Shahid Bashir was court-martialled on charges of spying and for provoking Pakistani armed forces personnel to get involved in terrorist acts.[32]
Pakistan's Dawn TV: Terror Group Jundallah Was Formed By "Two Army Junior Officers"
In July 2010, Pakistan's independent television channel Dawn TV broadcast an investigative report that revealed that Jundallah, a Sunni jihadist organization, was formed in 2000 by two officers of the Pakistan Army at a military camp in Quetta, the capital of Baluchistan province.[33]
Dawn TV reported: "Two [Pakistan] Army junior officers laid the foundation of the terrorist organization named Jundallah within the military, in February 2000 at the Quetta military camp. After the foundation of Jundallah, i.e. 'the Army of Allah,' the two officials declared jihad to be their organization's prime objective, and also started propagating their militant ideology.
"According to Dawn News investigations, 30 officers from different Pakistani Army units based in the Quetta military camp soon joined Jundallah, after being impressed by the jihad ideology. Written orders, with preparations for jihad at the top, were circulated to the members of the organization, after they took an oath for jihad on the Holy Koran. Meanwhile, the work of collecting donations from different units [of the Pakistan Army] was also taken up, for various necessities and for publishing jihadist literature. Parts of these donations were being provided to the Afghan Taliban.
"To spread the activities of Jundallah throughout other departments of the army, some army officers who were members of the group allied with junior officials of the [Pakistan] Air Force [PAF] deployed at the PAF Base Samungli [near Quetta]. This group planned assassination attempts, on two occasions, against Gen. (ret.) Pervez Musharraf, along with the 2003 attack at Jacobabad Airbase."[34]
Al-Qaeda Commander Ilyas Kashmiri was Pakistan Army Commando
Ilyas Kashmiri, whose death in a 2011 U.S. missile attack remains yet to be confirmed, founded Brigade 313, later an operational arm of Al-Qaeda, within his jihadist organization Harkat ul-Jihad al-Islami (HuJI). After the killing of Osama bin Laden, Ilyas Kashmiri formed a new terror group called Lashkar-e-Osama to avenge the death of the Al-Qaeda leader.[35]
In August 2011, India's junior minister for home Jitendra Singh told Rajya Sabha (the upper house of Indian parliament) that Ilyas Kashmiri is plotting to attack India, stating: "There are some intelligence inputs, though not specific, regarding a plan to target India by Al-Qaeda and Ilyas Kashmiri, an Al-Qaeda-HuJI operative, and his group."[36]
Ilyas Kashmiri was a commando of Pakistan's Special Services Group (SSG) and was once rewarded by General Pervez Musharraf as a hero for a terror attack in Indian Kashmir.[37]
Pakistan Air Force Officers Held for 2006 Coup Plot against Musharraf
In October 2006, the Pakistani military foiled a coup attempt against Pakistani President and Army Chief General Pervez Musharraf, resulting in the arrest of 40 people. Pakistani journalist Syed Saleem Shahzad reported: "Most of those arrested are mid-ranking Pakistani Air Force officers, while civilian arrests include a son of a serving brigadier in the army. All of those arrested are Islamists"¦"[38]
The report further noted that the plot was discovered "through the naivete of an air force officer who this month [October 2006] used a cell phone to activate a high-tech rocket aimed at the president's residence in Rawalpindi. The rocket was recovered, and its activating mechanism revealed the officer's telephone number. His arrest led to the other arrests."[39]
In 2003, Pakistani Soldiers Waged Jihad in Afghanistan's Zabul Province
In August 2003, a Lahore-based newspaper revealed that 12 Pakistan Army officers and lower-ranked non-commissioned personnel were detained for their links with the Taliban and Hizb-e-Islami militants.[40] Those arrested while waging jihad in Afghanistan included a Pakistan Army major and his three subordinates.
The Pakistani soldiers were arrested in 2003 in Afghanistan's Zabul province, a hub of terror activities by the Taliban and Hizb-e-Islami. Following their arrests, they were handed over to the FBI of the United States. The FBI officers later brought them to the Shahbaz airbase in Quetta, the capital of Pakistan's Baluchistan province, where the Pakistani soldiers were handed over the Pakistani Army.[41]
The Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) department of Pakistan Army, which first denied the report, later confirmed that "three to four" of its officers of the rank of lieutenant colonel and under were under investigation for their possible link with extremist organizations.[42]
Pakistan Air Force Personnel Convicted of Involvement in Assassination Attempts on General Musharraf
In September 2006, a full bench of the Supreme Court of Pakistan upheld the death sentence of 12 people found guilty of involvement in two assassination attempts on Pervez Musharraf in 2003.[43]
The 12 convicts were Khalid Mehmood, Nawazish Ali, Niaz Muhammad and Adnan Rasheed (personnel of the Pakistan Air Force); Arshad Hussain (Lance Naek); and Rashid Qureshi, Ikhlas Ahmad, Ghulam Sarwar Bhatti, Zubair Ahmad, Rana Naveed Ahmad, Aamir Suhail, and Mushtaq Ahmad (civilians).[44]
Both assassination attempts on General Musharraf were made in Rawalpindi – the headquarters of Pakistan Army – on December 14 and December 25, 2003. The plotters had disagreed with General Musharraf's decision to ally Pakistan in the U.S. war on terror.
Major General (Ret.) Faisal Alvi Killed for Opposing Pakistani Army's Peace Pacts with the Taliban
On November 19, 2008, Major General (retired) Ameer Faisal Alvi, who had served in the Special Services Group (SSG) of Pakistan Army, was shot dead in Islamabad by unidentified gunmen for opposing the Pakistani army's peace agreements with the Taliban.[45]
British journalist Carey Schofield reported: "The brother-in-law [Ameer Faisal Alvi] of VS Naipaul, the British novelist and Nobel laureate, was murdered"¦ after threatening to expose Pakistani army generals who had made deals with Taliban militants. Major General Faisal Alavi, a former head of Pakistan's Special Forces, whose sister Nadira is Lady Naipaul, named two generals in a letter to the head of the army. He warned that he would 'furnish all relevant proof. Aware that he was risking his life, he gave a copy to me and asked me to publish it if he was killed."[46]
According to journalist Syed Saleem Shahzad, Major General Faisal Alvi was "forcibly retired" from service by Pakistan Army chief General Pervez Musharraf and was killed by Major Haroon Ashiq "with his army revolver."[47]
Al-Qaeda Players: Captain Khurram, Major Haroon Ashik, Major Abdul Rahman
In 2011, Syed Saleem Shahzad's book Inside Al-Qaeda and the Taliban: Beyond Bin Laden and 9/11 investigated the penetration of Al-Qaeda inside the Pakistani military, noting that Captain Khurram Ashiq of Pakistan Army and his brother Major Haroon Ashiq and their special forces colleague Major Abdul Rahman were key Al-Qaeda players.[48]
Captain Khurram Ashiq, who was an assault commander of the Special Service Group (SSG), his brother Major Haroon Ashiq, and later Major Abdul Rahman quit service and joined Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT).[49]
President Musharraf's Security Officer Passed Along Night Vision Goggles from China for Al-Qaeda
The book by Syed Saleem Shahzad, who was later picked up allegedly by Pakistani intelligence agents and killed, also revealed that that Major Haroon Ashiq developed a "mortar gun of a type available only to some of the world's most advanced military forces" when fighting alongside the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in the Pakistani tribal region.[50] He also developed a silencer for AK-47 which "became an essential component of Al-Qaeda's special guerrilla operations."[51]
According to the book, Major Haroon Ashiq later visited China to procure night vision goggles. The author writes: "The biggest task was to clear them through the customs in Pakistan. Haroon called on his friend Captain Farooq, who was President Musharraf's security officer. Farooq went to the airport in the president's official car and received Haroon at the immigration counter. In the presence of Farooq, nobody dared touch Haroon's luggage, and the night vision glasses arrived in Pakistan without any hassle."[52]
Captain Farooq was a member of Hizbut Tahrir, a fact discovered by the Pakistani intelligence nine months after his posting as General Musharraf's security officer, the book notes.[53]
Pakistani Soldiers Waged Jihad against U.S. Army in Afghanistan's Kunduz Province
A report – dated January 28, 2002 and written by investigative journalist Seymour M. Hersh – noted that Pakistani soldiers were detained in Afghanistan's Kunduz province while waging jihad against the U.S. troops.[54]
On November 25, 2001, when Kunduz fell to the anti-Taliban forces, nearly 4,000 militants were captured, among them Pakistani Army officers, intelligence advisers, and volunteers who were fighting alongside the Taliban.[55]
According to the report, the White House authorized the U.S. military to establish air corridors at the request of Pakistani military for Pakistani aircraft to rescue the Pakistani soldiers, among them two Pakistani generals.[56]
Pakistan Army Officer Took Leave to Wage Jihad in Afghanistan
In 2002, a Pakistan Army officer took leave and went to wage jihad in Afghanistan, according to a Pakistani media report.[57]
The Friday Times of Lahore reported "the case of a serving officer who had taken leave and gone to Afghanistan to fight the jihad. This officer who extricated was reported as saying that there were also other officers in Afghanistan who had chosen to fight alongside the Taliban.
"[Pakistan] Army sources say a number of Pashtun officers and perhaps JCOs [Junior Commissioned Officers] and NCOs [Non-Commissioned Officers] also went to Afghanistan to do the jihad."[58]
Pakistani Army Officers Arrested in 1995 Plot to Take Over Army Headquarters
In September 1995, a couple of Pakistan Army officers, including a major general and a brigadier, were arrested for planning a takeover of the army headquarters and the civilian government for establishing a strict Islamic political system in Pakistan, according to a report in the Daily Times newspaper.[59]
The Lahore-based newspaper added: "Some Islamic parties supported their cause when they were put on trial and convicted, accusing the government of targeting Islamic elements in the army."[60]
* Tufail Ahmad is Director of MEMRI's South Asia Studies Project (South Asia Studies | Analysis & Special Reports | MEMRI, the Middle East Media Research Institute).
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This is proof of your lack of knowledge starting stupidity when you have no information over educational system of Pakistan. I am talking here over some factual bases but not over any Madras information.

Sophistication in this forum vanished, so don't be so radical. Islamyat & Pak studies are regular subject but these are not used for brainwashing so in this respect there are subject in India too i can mention used for brainwashing.

You can't give us examples of some ill minded idiots Adnan sami or somebody like that, it will not prove you want.
I have full knowledge about your godforsaken jihadi madrasa system and your public education infrastructure encompassing 'islamiyat and pakistan studies' - with other delusional/violent matter taught to toddlers in pakistan - which has created deluded morons like you who lie and live in denial.

The sophistication on this forum ended the day - demented conspiracy theorists from failed state pakistan started blabbering their 'pakistan studies' mumbo-jumbo on this forum - again I ask - who is buying your shit load of crap? You..Hah on your face.

Why can't I give examples of Adan Sami and other hundreds and thousands of Mujahir/Muslims and Hindus who are coming in hordes to India to take refuge from monster called pakistan. I don't see Indian muslims running to the 'fort of islam' to settle down with the Ummah of the 'land of the pure'? Why? Do you have any shame left or you are as shameless as your 'DOLLAR' hungry - Surrendering Pakistan army the protector of islam and pakistan, which lost half the country?

Shame on pakistan, which was created for muslims and now muslims are running away from this islamic state and are ready to settle in a Kufar 'Dar-ul-Harb' Hindu majority India! Shame on You! Mother of all Irony!

Do I need to remind you what you islamic people of pakistan did to 3 Million Bengali muslims of West pakistan or what you have done to thousands of Baloch, Afghans, Sindhis, KPs, Shias and Ahmedi Muslims et al.....really creation of pakistan and its delusional brainwashed bigoted awam (especially punjabis) is a bane not only on this Planet but for the coming/future generations of humanity.
 
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You are known to spread canards and drawing fallacious and contrived conclusion just to present yourself as an Oracle.

If one is expected to abandon the right to think and instead be a parrot spouting a one liner (read view/ policy) for every conceivable issue, then one would be a parrot regurgitating like a cow the one liner taught like Long John Silver's parrot - Yo Ho and a bottle of Rum.

You maybe of the variety of homo sapiens who transform into a parrot with a regimented indoctrinated agenda to sell, but sadly for people of your comprehension and knowledge of life, I have no such baggage or Cross to bear, and instead have the good fortune to be capable of independent and free thinking. Hence, my comments on any forum would be as per the merit of the issue and not prompted by any preconceived agenda to push on the world!

Further, you seem to have a delusion that using of unparliamentary words or being personal indicates some sort of a win win smartness. Please disabuse yourself of this notion. It only indicates your deficiency in vocabulary.

If anyone is a joke around here, I daresay, you win hands down!!

Do inculcate some class and do have a civilised tongue in your head.
where the holy batman did that come from and what did it have to do with the reply I was quoted upon. If you feel I have an Oracle complex, let me quickly diffuse it that much of what i say I say in banter and in tongue and cheek and yes w/ a bit of bluntness added to it. I must say though if indeed your comment is directed at me, because the quoted text from me on your reply was an odd one to illicit such a reply from you, I always welcome thoughtful posts and dare say rarely put my thoughts down in a " one liner".

Btw- I still can't fathom for all the great knowledge perceived or otherwise-you possess, why can't to get to the point a bit more crisper and sooner? if the intent was to take me on as you have in past - why a thesis and not just get to the point?
 
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