Pakistan's Ideology and Identity crisis

[Suryavanshi]

How can 20% non Hindus threaten 80% Hindus in the practice of our faith? Even 1000 years of subjugation was not able to wipe out Hinduism.

It is not about 'if but 'when'.
U can say all the folks that u see today on the Indian Sub continent were once Hindu/Buddhist.
The Islamic Invasion from Arab peninsula had Little to no effect on the Indian Sub continent. The Invasion from the Turkic hordes on the other hand took its time and started chipping off the Indian regions one by one.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Punjab?

No they are from Afghanistan

 

[Suryavanshi]

This rings any bells?

 

[Shankar Deb]

No they are from Afghanistan

This is what google says-

Malhotra is a Khatri surname name belonging to Dhai Ghar sub-caste in the Indian subcontinent. It is modified from Mehrotra, which is itself an extended form of Mehra.

 

[Suryavanshi]

This is what google says-

Malhotra is a Khatri surname name belonging to Dhai Ghar sub-caste in the Indian subcontinent. It is modified from Mehrotra, which is itself an extended form of Mehra.

They are remnant of erstwhile Hindu kingdoms of Afgasniatn, Khatris were spread all over North pakistan and Afghanistan region

 

[Shankar Deb]

This rings any bells?

This map is of which period?

 

[ezsasa]

Punjab?

They are the worshippers of Surya Bhagwan along with chopra khanna surnames, who were originally based in Multan Pakistan, they were one of the richest community at that time and built some of amazing temples in Multan.

Are there any Hindu Malhotras left in Multan Pakistan or any of the Suyra Temples still standing in Multan?

Surely there were some Malhotras in Multan many centuries ago who were confident that we have been here for thousands of years, nothing will happen to us.

We lost Afghanistan, lost Pakistan, Lost Kashmir, Lost Bangladesh, Lost North East, Lost Malaysia, Lost Indonesia, About to loose Kerala, About to loose Tamil Nadu, About to loose Andhra.

What does it take to make people realise that the size of pie is only going in one direction, less and less.

 

[Suryavanshi]

This map is of which period?

850-1026

Hindu Shahis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Suryavanshi]

@Shankar Deb any doubts?

 

[shade]

They are the worshippers of Surya Bhagwan along with chopra khanna surnames, who were originally based in Multan Pakistan, they were one of the richest community at that time and built some of amazing temples in Multan.

Are there any Hindu Malhotras left in Multan Pakistan or any of the Suyra Temples still standing in Multan?

Surely there were some Malhotras in Multan many centuries ago who were confident that we have been here for thousands of years, nothing will happen to us.

We lost Afghanistan, lost Pakistan, Lost Kashmir, Lost Bangladesh, Lost North East, Lost Malaysia, Lost Indonesia, About to loose Kerala, About to loose Tamil Nadu, About to loose Andhra.

What does it take to make people realise that the size of pie is only going in one direction, less and less.

Since the last 6-7 years insulting and demeaning the religion of the Hindus have had exactly opposite effects, this is perhaps a new strategem deployed by the "bright" minds in places like JNU and Jadavpur uni.

Infiltration.

"Heheh i am a Hindu too guys, for 1000 years we were ruled by muslims but nothing happened right? hinduism stronk, resilient"
"What can 20% do to 80%? It's not as if there are 200 million strong Muslim countries in the east and west right ? "

As an example for my theory, here is this group

Hindus for Human Rights

Celebrate the essence of humanity with Hindus for Human Rights. Our home page is a gateway to advocacy, unity, and compassion. Join us in championing justice, equality, and dignity for all. Explore our initiatives, resources, and community-driven efforts to promote human rights through the lens of H

www.hindusforhumanrights.org

As you can see it has eminent intellectuals "True Hindus".
Even Ashok Swine claims to be a "Hindu".

 

[Shankar Deb]

They are the worshippers of Surya Bhagwan along with chopra khanna surnames, who were originally based in Multan Pakistan, they were one of the richest community at that time and built some of amazing temples in Multan.

Are there any Hindu Malhotras left in Multan Pakistan or any of the Suyra Temples still standing in Multan?

Surely there were some Malhotras in Multan many centuries ago who were confident that we have been here for thousands of years, nothing will happen to us.

We lost Afghanistan, lost Pakistan, Lost Kashmir, Lost Bangladesh, Lost North East, Lost Malaysia, Lost Indonesia, About to loose Kerala, About to loose Tamil Nadu, About to loose Andhra.

What does it take to make people realise that the size of pie is only going in one direction, less and less.

India is a diverse country, that is the beauty and strength of India. Any attempt to impose one language, or one way of living will only create massive resistance, and then surely we will loose the south, and maybe even the east.

Political mistakes have consequences.

Remember Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan, the pride of Afghanistan? He wanted the Pashtuns to be part of India in 1947. We spurned him and the Pashtuns, We did not loose Afghanistan, we did not want it.

If the political class of 1947 agreed to Jinah being the first PM, perhaps there would have been no partition, despite the British efforts. Only Gandhi had tried to convince the others to think in these lines but failed. In retrospect, we would have had him as PM for about a year. It is our fault that our intelligence was so poor in those days that we did not know that our main adversary was dying.

As far as Malaysia or Indonesia is concerned, I don't think they were a part of India politically at any time.

 

[Shankar Deb]

@Shankar Deb any doubts?

No, this was new to me.

 

[ezsasa]

India is a diverse country, that is the beauty and strength of India. Any attempt to impose one language, or one way of living will only create massive resistance, and then surely we will loose the south, and maybe even the east.

Political mistakes have consequences.

Remember Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan, the pride of Afghanistan? He wanted the Pashtuns to be part of India in 1947. We spurned him and the Pashtuns, We did not loose Afghanistan, we did not want it.

If the political class of 1947 agreed to Jinah being the first PM, perhaps there would have been no partition, despite the British efforts. Only Gandhi had tried to convince the others to think in these lines but failed. In retrospect, we would have had him as PM for about a year. It is our fault that our intelligence was so poor in those days that we did not know that our main adversary was dying.

As far as Malaysia or Indonesia is concerned, I don't think they were a part of India politically at any time.

Make up your mind, which topic you want to discuss first.
Loss of Hindu territory over the past 1000 years, which you were mentioning in post #1257
or
Loss of territory in political map of modern India, which you are mentioning now in post #1271

 

[Suryavanshi]

No, this was new to me.

Essentially the transformation to Islam didn't happen at once but in Phases.

1) Caliphate reaches Iran and dominates them from 650 to Present day.
2) Caliphate reaches Afghanistan in 1000 and ransacks it
3) Caliphate reaches Pakistan and dominates it to this day

 

[Suryavanshi]

India is a diverse country, that is the beauty and strength of India

Despite its diversity India has one very unifying element that is the Dharmic culture in tandem with Indic culture.

 

[Suryavanshi]

@Shankar Deb I don't get u mate what's the point your trying to prove here?

 

[Shankar Deb]

Make up your mind, which topic you want to discuss first.
Loss of Hindu territory over the past 1000 years, which you were mentioning in post #1257
or
Loss of territory in political map of modern India, which you are mentioning now in post #1271

#1257 discussed religion and the resilience of Hinduism.
#1271 was a reaction to your post of political losses of territory, at least as far as I understood.

I am willing to discuss any of these as you like.

 

[Suryavanshi]

#1257 discussed religion and the resilience of Hinduism.

And u got counter argument where loss of territory happened.

#1271 was a reaction to your post of political losses of territory, at least as far as I understood.

Political losses translate to population losses as well, the areas that were captured eventually turned islamic due to conversion.

I am willing to discuss any of these as you like.

And what conclusion do u expect to reach.

 

[Shankar Deb]

Essentially the transformation to Islam didn't happen at once but in Phases.

1) Caliphate reaches Iran and dominates them from 650 to Present day.
2) Caliphate reaches Afghanistan in 1000 and ransacks it
3) Caliphate reaches Pakistan and dominates it to this day

Quite right, but also consider that, India's first brush with Islam was very peaceful.

The Cheraman Juma Masjid built in 629 AD at Kodungallur in Kerala's Thrissur district. Indias first-ever mosque and the oldest in the sub-continent. This mosque was built while Mohammad was still alive.

 

[Shankar Deb]

And u got counter argument where loss of territory happened.

Political losses translate to population losses as well, the areas that were captured eventually turned islamic due to conversion.

And what conclusion do u expect to reach.

An exchange of views and ideas is to enrich understanding and broaden one's outlook, it has no end point