Pakistanism(s) in Pakistani discourse

[FalconSlayers]

That's an 80s era brainfart, moderately used until late 2000s. No longer in use.

I've seen this a lot of times on twitter, found it once again so posted.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

I've seen this a lot of times on twitter, found it once again so posted.

Although, another version
"Pak has a higher living standards than India" was a common brainfart before COVID crisis.

May be all those pakis who used to post this, died of COVID.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Although, another version
"Pak has a higher living standards than India" was a common brainfart before COVID crisis".

May be all those pakis who used to post this, died of COVID.

Point to be noted is that most of these deluded brainfarts come only from Lahoris.
Never seen anyone from Karachi make such deluded claims.

 

[Alamarathan]

Pak has a higher living standards than India

the what???
They maybe better than liberia,that too maybe,
Mumbai alone cost 100 times higher than entire pakistan including their "higher living"mud houses,

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Point to be noted is that most of these deluded brainfarts come only from Lahoris.
Never seen anyone from Karachi make such deluded claims.

Why they would? HDI levels of all Pakistani provinces except Punjab is in range of 0.400s which is far lower than most of sub Saharan LDCs like Lesotho, Djibouti, Niger or Mali etc. while Punjab province is still closer to Bangladesh and central India in levels of economic development.

If Pak disintegrates into 5 pieces today, 4 of world's poorest countries will be Asian and not African.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Cross posting of article.

Transitioning throughout years which has turned the power differential between India & Pak humongous (and depressing Pakistanis about political turmoil and all bad news in their country), the new cope mode shuns
"India & Pakistan barabari ke mulk", resorts to mock India for its relative weak points against US & China and as usual, imaginatively assuming an important role for Pakistan in India's rise just as used to boast about their geographical importance for other world powers.

The quest for prosperity

Pakistan’s highway to prosperity and stability goes through India. And India’s entry to the developed world depends on its cooperation with Pakistan. Prosperity and peace in South Asia...

www.thenews.com.pk

The quest for prosperity
Pakistan’s highway to prosperity and stability goes through India. And India’s entry to the developed world depends on its cooperation with Pakistan. Prosperity and peace in South Asia can only be achieved through the principle of workability.

Bangladesh today has better economic and political standing, which will ultimately lead to its economic prosperity, because it relies on the workability principle when maintaining its relations with India, without compromising on its interests. It is time for Pakistan to work its way out of its economic and political crisis by applying the same principle.
The principle of workability is a concept where, despite all differences, people and nations find a way to talk to each other. By maintaining contact with each other, they work out a plan to resolve or minimize the areas of conflict. When people and nations have no contact with each other, they lose control over different situations and other people.
In 1947, when Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah responded to a question on India-Pakistan relations by saying that these relations would be most-friendly and cordial, he meant that they would follow the principles of ‘workability’. According to the late Sharifuddin Pirzada, an authority on Jinnah, the Quaid wanted the relationship of Pakistan and India to follow a similar pattern to that of the US and Canada.
Despite his differences with Jinnah and his opposition to the idea of Pakistan, Gandhi also announced a fast until death to get Pakistan its due share in assets. He also wanted a working relationship between Pakistan and India. Also, despite the 1948 war over Kashmir between the two countries, Liaquat Ali Khan and Nehru signed the 1950 pact to protect minorities. Similarly, Ayub Khan and Nehru signed the Indus Waters Treaty in 1960. Ayub Khan also signed the Tashkent Agreement with LB Shastri in the 1960s. In the 1970s, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and Indira Gandhi signed the Simla Accord.
In the past, India and Pakistan always found a way to maintain their mutual relations. Unfortunately, this is not true anymore. The unending territorial conflict over Kashmir and the resultant miscalculated policies on both sides have widened differences and distrust between the two neighbours. All prospects of peace and cooperation and its resultant benefits for the people of both countries have become remote. Many opportunities of improving relations on a permanent basis were missed in the past. Now, the only way forward is to accept and adopt the principle of workability. It is a challenge for the leaderships of both sides.
In the 1970s, the US wanted to improve its ties with China. This could happen due to Pakistan’s role in bringing the two countries together. India has been denying Pakistan any chances of using this principle of workability to keep contact with India. The neighbouring country believes that its behaviour has a more severe impact on Pakistan as, according to it, India has figured out alternate ways to keep moving forward. It now finds itself in the league of large economic, political and technological powers. But given India’s energy needs and its long desire to have access to European, Central Asian and Middle Eastern markets, it still needs Pakistan.
Pakistan has to understand that it does not benefit anyone if it denies India access to these markets and energy resources. India will still find a way to these markets, albeit at a much higher cost. But in the process, Pakistan will lose a great opportunity.
Both countries need to review their policies towards each other. Pakistan has paid a huge price during the last 20 years after the unfortunate 9/11 incident. The doctrine of strategic depth apparently failed as the threat from its western front did not subside. India partly succeeded in isolating Pakistan, which consequently made Pakistan more dependent on other countries for maintaining its strategic balance. It is again a big misconception and needs to be revisited in the light of new economic and geo-political realities. Despite big claims of economic turn around and recovery, there appears to be no hope of sustainable growth and development in the near future partly due to domestic turmoil and instability.
Pakistan’s economy is now totally dependent on foreign loans and aids and foreign-funded projects for its survival. The decades-old security and development paradigm put forward by Ayub Khan in his book ‘Friends not Masters’ needs to be revisited. Tragically, the first 30 years were lost and we could not find a working relationship between the two nations.
The bitterness and distrust created by military conflicts in the next four decades did not allow them to work out a permanent solution to their problems. In real terms, despite denials, both countries missed out on the true blessings of peace and prosperity.
India’s foreign policy towards Pakistan is also frozen in time. The BJP is unwilling to change its policy, stance and beliefs towards Muslims and Pakistan, not realizing that the over 700 million Muslims in South Asia are a reality to be recognized. This religious extremism is an existential threat to humanity. The fruit of peace and prosperity resulting from mutual cooperation, trust and trade remain unrealized due to such stagnant approaches to old issues.
Pakistan has all along insisted on the settlement of ‘issues and problems’ before any economic and other cooperation is made. India always puts economic and other cooperation before anything else. Because of this rigidity, from the UN resolutions to the Agra Summit, everything has become a tale of failures. Pakistan and India are permanent neighbours.
South Asia is academically and strategically a recognized area of study because almost one-fifth of the world’s population live here. The region is a matter of great attraction and interest (also due to being a potential nuclear holocaust) for all the great economies. The US, Europe, Russia and China are interested in exporting their goods to this region as it has a big consumer market for their products. If both countries cooperate in the field of trade and business, then instead of being a consumer society they can revive the economic glory of the Mughal era which used to contribute over 38 per cent to the global economy.
Pakistan and India have remained prisoners of geography after Partition. They are caught in an unending territorial conflict that has drained their resources. India has also become a prisoner of history as it is unwilling to permanently adjust to the idea of Partition. India has a huge Muslim population, and Pakistan also has a sizable Hindu population. These religiously marginalized groups are the direct victims of this lack of workability between the two nations. It is time to find a way towards a workable future for the prosperity of the region.

Resorting to same wishful thinking,
Want Pak to have relations with US but…: Imran Khan draws parallel with India
Imran Khan: "I basically want a dignified relationship with the US like India. India has a very dignified relationship with the US," Imran Khan said.

Imran Khan: Former Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan is seen.(AP file)

Former Pakistan prime minister Imran Khan said that he wanted the United States to have a "dignified relationship" with Pakistan similar to what it shares with India, in an interview with UK-based publication Financial Times. Imran Khan said that India has a "very dignified" relationship with the US.

"I basically want a dignified relationship with the US like India. India has a very dignified relationship with the US," Imran Khan told Financial Times. The remarks come following Imran Khan's claims that the US conspired to remove him as prime minister a few months ago.

Citing India's decision to import Russian oil, Imran Khan said that India says "no" to the US and takes priority for its people. Even Pakistan should be allowed to say no, Imran Khan asserted calling the ties between Islamabad and Washington as that of a "master-servant".

"Our relationship with the US has been as of a master-servant relationship, or a master-slave relationship, and we've been used like a hired gun. But for that I blame my own governments more than the US," Financial Times quoted Imran Khan as saying.

"As far as I'm concerned, its over, its behind me. But, whatever the US desires could not have happened without people here who actively took part in the conspiracy to get rid of me," Imran Khan further said.

Imran Khan was removed from office through a vote of no-confidence in April this year.

 

[Lonewolf]

That's an 80s era brainfart, moderately used until late 2000s. No longer in use.

Actually just few months back,they had same opinion , only difference is that their government used this chooran to make them more poor

 

[Alamarathan]

HDI levels of all Pakistani provinces except Punjab is in range of 0.400s which is far lower than most of sub Saharan LDCs like Lesotho, Djibouti, Niger or Mali etc. while Punjab province is still closer to Bangladesh and central India in levels of economic development.

That gave me an idea,can we get data sets on their hdi,meadian income,infra based on their provinces?
Itll be swell to see how far the "aspiring sheikhs" doing well compared with rest of their "pure" awaam.

If Pak disintegrates into 5 pieces today, 4 of world's poorest countries will be Asian and not African.

 

[Alamarathan]

Resorting to same wishful thinking,
Want Pak to have relations with US but…: Imran Khan draws parallel with India
Imran Khan: "I basically want a dignified relationship with the US like India. India has a very dignified relationship with the US," Imran Khan said.

Imran Khan: Former Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan is seen.(AP file)

To be fair,he wasnt far off

The Bush administration threatened to bomb Pakistan "back to the stone age" after the September 11 attacks if the country did not cooperate with America's war on Afghanistan, it emerged yesterday.

Bush threatened to bomb Pakistan, says Musharraf | World news | The Guardian

The Bush administration threatened to bomb Pakistan 'back to the stone age' after the September 11 attacks if the country did not cooperate with America's war on Afghanistan, it emerged yesterday.

amp.theguardian.com

 

[AnantS]

To be fair,he wasnt far off

The Bush administration threatened to bomb Pakistan "back to the stone age" after the September 11 attacks if the country did not cooperate with America's war on Afghanistan, it emerged yesterday.

Bush threatened to bomb Pakistan, says Musharraf | World news | The Guardian

The Bush administration threatened to bomb Pakistan 'back to the stone age' after the September 11 attacks if the country did not cooperate with America's war on Afghanistan, it emerged yesterday.

amp.theguardian.com

Not Bush but Armitage said that - grandfather of the boy who play the role of Young Sheldon. Its old news. Even after that Pakistan managed to milk millions in aid and equipment from US for co-operation. I am betting Pak must be regretting US leaving Afg- having US in Afghanistan at least bought dollars and peace at Durand line regularly which now has evaporated.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

can we get data sets on their hdi,

Subnational HDI - Subnational HDI - Table - Global Data Lab

globaldatalab.org

This upto 2019. No data for 2022 available yet (when their HDI had declined after COVID).

meadian income,

No reliable source in it. IMF doesn't even publish predictions on entire Pakistani wealth and GDP, leave alone at sub national levels (other such two countries are Somalia and North Korea).

infra based on their provinces?

You can google and compare provinces for their rail & road network. Infrastructure network of Pakistan as a whole is pitiful anyway.

Itll be swell to see how far the "aspiring sheikhs" doing well compared with rest of their "pure" awaam.

Mediocre. HDI of best place in Pakistan doesn't exceed 0.65-0.66 range which is an average in India.

 

[Swesh]

Not Bush but Armitage said that - grandfather of the boy who play the role of Young Sheldon. Its old news. Even after that Pakistan managed to milk millions in aid and equipment from US for co-operation. I am betting Pak must be regretting US leaving Afg- having US in Afghanistan at least bought dollars and peace at Durand line regularly which now has evaporated.

I told this to paki that you might be happy but this is like worst news for you. He didn't realise i was predicting future

 

[The Juggernaut]

I told this to paki that you might be happy but this is like worst news for you. He didn't realise i was predicting future

They were happy that Indian Hand were out of afgan, and telebunnies willy be their friend and they will help them liberate Kashmir.

But, opposite happened. We Indian are back with same diplomatic power and Telebunnies are working at Pakistan border.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

It looks like entire morale of that country is based on coping.
Indian defence enthusiasts loose patience when there is no official news of a project even for short term and point out twitches no matter how major leap it would be.

For instance, project Azm (paki joint FGFA project with Turkey, though abandoned now)

When there is no news people assume the worse.
No news doesn't mean project azm is dead. It means we know nothing

I meanwhile see sufficient slendering from Indians, Brits, Americans and even Chinese post even on ground actions. Lack of critical thinking is an essential characteristic of Pakistani society which keeps superiority complex and hopes minds of people alive. Pages and forums are often filled with trashes "you know nothing what Pak is hiding secretly" and so forth.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Someone built a wikipedia article for PAC PF-X out of hot air on wikipedia and spammed it into "Comparable aircraft" of all F-22, 35, J-20, 21, AMCA, TAI TF-X, PAK FA etc..

It will likely get deleted though.
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex PF-X
The PAC PF-X (also Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft or FGFA) is a planned fifth generation fighter jet of the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex. The aircraft is under development by the Pakistan Air Force under Project Azm.[1][unreliable source?][additional citation(s) needed] Its first flight is expected in 2028.[2][1]


Pakistan could be collaborating with China, since China already has experience in developing 5th generation fighters like the J20. However, Pakistani Officials have said that they have gained considerable experience in developing the 4.5 generation, JF17 Thunder, but Pakistan might be unable to make the jet without Chinese assistance.

In early 2022, reports emerged that Pakistan was merging its 5th generation programme, with Turkey’s own 5th generation programme, TAI TF-X. This was said by a TAI official on a live Pakistani news TV show, however it is still not confirmed by Senior Pakistani and Turkish officials. If Pakistan can collaborate with Turkey, with its access to NATO technology, as well as Chinese experience/technology, it could see its fighter programme being successful, just like the JF 17.

In March of 2022, the Pakistan Airforce (PAF), uploaded a video on their official YouTube channel. The video was released after Pakistan’s procurement of the Chinese J10C, and it showed many new weapons and aircraft that the PAF had procured, and towards the end of the video it showed a 5th generation fighter jet (for around 2-4 seconds), showing a canard wing design, similar to China’s J20. However, it is still not confirmed wether this is just a conceptualisation to show that Pakistan is currently working on a 5th generation jet, or wether it’s the actual final design of the jet. Moreover, the video doesn’t confirm who Pakistan is collaborating with on the jet.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Someone built a wikipedia article for PAC PF-X out of hot air on wikipedia and spammed it into "Comparable aircraft" of all F-22, 35, J-20, 21, AMCA, TAI TF-X, PAK FA etc..

It will likely get deleted though.
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex PF-X
The PAC PF-X (also Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft or FGFA) is a planned fifth generation fighter jet of the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex. The aircraft is under development by the Pakistan Air Force under Project Azm.[1][unreliable source?][additional citation(s) needed] Its first flight is expected in 2028.[2][1]


Pakistan could be collaborating with China, since China already has experience in developing 5th generation fighters like the J20. However, Pakistani Officials have said that they have gained considerable experience in developing the 4.5 generation, JF17 Thunder, but Pakistan might be unable to make the jet without Chinese assistance.

In early 2022, reports emerged that Pakistan was merging its 5th generation programme, with Turkey’s own 5th generation programme, TAI TF-X. This was said by a TAI official on a live Pakistani news TV show, however it is still not confirmed by Senior Pakistani and Turkish officials. If Pakistan can collaborate with Turkey, with its access to NATO technology, as well as Chinese experience/technology, it could see its fighter programme being successful, just like the JF 17.

In March of 2022, the Pakistan Airforce (PAF), uploaded a video on their official YouTube channel. The video was released after Pakistan’s procurement of the Chinese J10C, and it showed many new weapons and aircraft that the PAF had procured, and towards the end of the video it showed a 5th generation fighter jet (for around 2-4 seconds), showing a canard wing design, similar to China’s J20. However, it is still not confirmed wether this is just a conceptualisation to show that Pakistan is currently working on a 5th generation jet, or wether it’s the actual final design of the jet. Moreover, the video doesn’t confirm who Pakistan is collaborating with on the jet.

Meanwhile the high IQ creator of article LOL.

My name is Nauman Nazir. I am Punjabi Pakistani muslim. A teacher by profession and zoologist by education. Have interest in Indo-Pakistan history and Wars around the globe

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Someone built a wikipedia article for PAC PF-X out of hot air on wikipedia and spammed it into "Comparable aircraft" of all F-22, 35, J-20, 21, AMCA, TAI TF-X, PAK FA etc..

It will likely get deleted though.
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex PF-X
The PAC PF-X (also Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft or FGFA) is a planned fifth generation fighter jet of the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex. The aircraft is under development by the Pakistan Air Force under Project Azm.[1][unreliable source?][additional citation(s) needed] Its first flight is expected in 2028.[2][1]


Pakistan could be collaborating with China, since China already has experience in developing 5th generation fighters like the J20. However, Pakistani Officials have said that they have gained considerable experience in developing the 4.5 generation, JF17 Thunder, but Pakistan might be unable to make the jet without Chinese assistance.

In early 2022, reports emerged that Pakistan was merging its 5th generation programme, with Turkey’s own 5th generation programme, TAI TF-X. This was said by a TAI official on a live Pakistani news TV show, however it is still not confirmed by Senior Pakistani and Turkish officials. If Pakistan can collaborate with Turkey, with its access to NATO technology, as well as Chinese experience/technology, it could see its fighter programme being successful, just like the JF 17.

In March of 2022, the Pakistan Airforce (PAF), uploaded a video on their official YouTube channel. The video was released after Pakistan’s procurement of the Chinese J10C, and it showed many new weapons and aircraft that the PAF had procured, and towards the end of the video it showed a 5th generation fighter jet (for around 2-4 seconds), showing a canard wing design, similar to China’s J20. However, it is still not confirmed wether this is just a conceptualisation to show that Pakistan is currently working on a 5th generation jet, or wether it’s the actual final design of the jet. Moreover, the video doesn’t confirm who Pakistan is collaborating with on the jet.

Meanwhile the high IQ creator of article LOL.

Synthesizing from above

73. Pakistan is at par with India or is at least a significant power (use oversimplification of events and sometimes even falsification of news to support their confirmation bias).

 

[The Juggernaut]

24. Pakistanis are gharatmand.
25. Pakistanis are full of tahzeeb and tamiz.
26. Pakistanis have bigger 'Dil'.

Pakistan has bigger 'Dil', It is an amazing kind of belief. As if Allah planned different kind of Anatomy for Land of Pure.

Source:
'If I speak truthfully, they just can't have the kind of heart a Muslim has or a Pakistani has. I think they don't have the sort of big hearts, pure hearts, Allah has given us.' - Shahid Afridi. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-as-Pakistanis-Afridi/articleshow/7861946.cms

 

[FalconSlayers]

they've been brainwashed since childhood that pakistan is free from all ills, while its India which has all the filth

 

[ezsasa]

the idea probably occurred to compile this list because we are talking about it within India. they rarely come up something new, always copy our discourse.