Pakistanis Claiming Vedic Civilisation As Ancient Pakistan, Need To Counter It

[Illusive]

50% of ur muhajirs came from Bihar and UP. So deal with it

Pakistan itself is standing because of the contribution of these muhajirs. They are the businessmen including the Sindhis, the rest are only good for threatening India and blowing themselves up in a bus or school.

 

[argumentum]

Why do we need to "counter" this? Hopefully a few Pakis will look into it and realize their pre-islamic past was much grander. Perhaps they will be tempted to return to "jahiliya" and India can recruit them as subversive agents for our own purposes.

Seems like a good development, much like Iranians identifyng with ancient Persia/

 

[Screambowl]

And india is a day younger than Pakistan... 15 AUG 1947!

According to documents Veda, or any official document India existed before Pakistan as British India/ in Hindi Bharat, in Urdu Hindustan. Pakistan only came to existence after the establishment of Aligarh Muslim University on documents, that also currently situated in India

Geographically the region what it is called as Pakistan was also called as India, Bharat and Hindustan. Before Partition and 1947

Update your knowledge.

 

[Screambowl]

Lmao.. Nobody considers hinsf arab or Turk.. We are what we are but we are definetly not from up or Maharashtra ..

We are an ethnically diverse country,. N owners of IVC,Gandhara?Mehrgarh?Harrapa etx not some troll from bihar or madhyapradesh..

Deal with it!

If you are the owner of Indian civilisation then Arabs are owner of Islam. And they do exactly good by not giving a shit to you

And FYI, you are not the owner of Indian civilisation, you are the owner of Terrorism hahahaha. Wahabism, Islam, Jihad, was not taught by any Indian civilisation. LOL.

 

[Screambowl]

Why do we need to "counter" this? Hopefully a few Pakis will look into it and realize their pre-islamic past was much grander. Perhaps they will be tempted to return to "jahiliya" and India can recruit them as subversive agents for our own purposes.

Seems like a good development, much like Iranians identifyng with ancient Persia/

They are actually saying that the belief of Indus valley civilisation is different from people living at the plains of Ganga.

This is Hilarious! Because the Vedas mention river ganga itself. Haha.

These Pakistani Muslims are claiming that they follow vedas and Vedas are their property hahaha.

 

[argumentum]

They are actually saying that the belief of Indus valley civilisation is different from people living at the plains of Ganga.

This is Hilarious! Because the Vedas mention river ganga itself. Haha.

These Pakistani Muslims are claiming that they follow vedas and Vedas are their property hahaha.

That's ok, let them start reading/following these ancient texts and it will help break the spell Islam has over them. Muslims think "one god, one prophet, one book", which is why they are so backward. If they read the vedas, which are far more sophisticated than the muslim texts, they will see the fallacy of their ways.

 

[Screambowl]

That's ok, let them start reading/following these ancient texts and it will help break the spell Islam has over them. Muslims think "one god, one prophet, one book", which is why they are so backward. If they read the vedas, which are far more sophisticated than the muslim texts, they will see the fallacy of their ways.

Agreed, but They have started taking the Ownership, that's what the problem is. They want to sail on two boats. Both Islam and Vedic civilization, to show them superior.

 

[argumentum]

Agreed, but They have started taking the Ownership, that's what the problem is. They want to sail on two boats. Both Islam and Vedic civilization, to show them superior.

Ideas aren't anyone's to own for themselves. Here's a quote from my favorite US president, Thomas Jefferson:

"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density in any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation. "​

So don't worry about what these Pakis are claiming, just be confident in your own identity. Indian Civilization (of which Vedic is a part) has always allowed for many ideas & philosophies to develop, grow and flourish. This is similar to Hellenic Civilization and in stark contrast with monotheistic theocracies (Europe during the dark ages, Islamic world to this day). Europe came out of the dark ages when they rediscovered their pre-Christian roots, and began reading the works of Socrates, Epicurus, Marcus Aurelius & other Greco-Roman philosophers. Out of this came the renaissance and enlightenment, because they realized in the words of Shakespeare:

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
- Hamlet (1.5.167-8), Hamlet to Horatio
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So if claiming the Vedas as their own helps them come to this realization, then what's the harm?

 

[bennedose]

Yesterday I ate a lot of chana and passed a lot of gas. I felt that I needed to counter Pakistan and managed to achieve that by passing more gas than Pakistanis.

 

[Raja.pakistani]

Yaar ksis baat par to kush hoo tum log

If Some Pakistani don't recognise pre-Islamic heritage or ancient history of their region then you guys labelled them as confuse Pakistani who claim to be arabs and turks and have identity crisis and have superiority complex blah blah

You also never happy if some Pakistani(Punjabi or Sindhi) recognise their pre-Islamic history or non Muslims ancestors and it will again make them confuse people with identity crisis..

You will get peace within yourself if you realize these facts that different ethnicities of Pakistan(punajbi, pashtun, blaoch ) claim different origin.

 

[Raja.pakistani]

What is Ancient Pakistan? The most Ancient Pakistan is only 50 years back , you can say 20 years after freedom

So people living in this region( called Pakistan now) were landed from sky in 1947 and had no prior existence ?

 

[Raja.pakistani]

Pakistanis/afghans are part of India's Vedic history. The denial is from the religious basis for their creation. If they were the same people why did they need to separate? Even if they had little option since England did the dividing. There would be no need for enemity and continued hostilities. Though many outside powers in control would oppose peace in any form.

actually let me say it in better words

Ancestors of some Pakistanis/afghan were part of India's Vedic history. Their is no denial in this claim from Pakistani side. Take example of Saudi Arabia which is Muslim country now but they have ancestors who were pagans/atheists/jews . Division of India or Pakistan was not mainly because of differences in religion of current generation of Pakistani with current generation of Hindus which may have same origin or link in Past. This division was also because of getting more political or social rights for Muslims of India which congress was not willing to give in Hindu dominant India during that time. When Islam came in arab world then even people fought wars with same blood relatives, tribes and ethnic because of differences in religion. Islam ask Muslim to love Islam more than anything else be it your tribe, country, ethnic or even your own father. Arabs did this, African did this and Pakistani did this

 

[Raja.pakistani]

That's ok, let them start reading/following these ancient texts and it will help break the spell Islam has over them. Muslims think "one god, one prophet, one book", which is why they are so backward. If they read the vedas, which are far more sophisticated than the muslim texts, they will see the fallacy of their ways.

Lol you are wrong my friend if you think recognising your past or pre-Islamic history/heritage mean to practising what your non Muslim ancestors did thousand year ago. Its called pre-Islamic period for some reason. Even Hindus don't practise what their ancestors did practised during vedic time lol If suppose your son convert into Islam tomorrow then he will remain your son but he will be the follower of Islam..no? You cannoy say that he is not your son just because he change his religious beliefs. Religion is just one identity and you have different other identities i.e ur tribe/ethnicity/culture/lanaguge etc

 

[bennedose]

So people living in this region( called Pakistan now) were landed from sky in 1947 and had no prior existence ?

People may have existed in the area, but the area was not Pakh because it was full of kafirs. It was not Pakistan Then Djinna made it Pakh. But still those pesky Ahmedis and Shias are there.

Pakistan is not Pakh. It needs more Islam to become pure. A TTP or ISIS government would be ideal and it would come if the Pakistani army was not taking money from America to fight the TTP

 

[rock127]

I mentioned mods too, because I need a link or proof to authenticate whatever I am saying. And look at those Pakistanis, how proudly they are claiming.

Heights of Identity Crisis these Pakistanis have. We should utilize this opportunity

One of the BEST example of the term "Identity Crisis" is Pakis.

Pakis are simply a by-product of forced conversion/rapes by Arabs/Turks/Persians or simply "mutated creatures".They even go ahead and glorify their rapists.

Thus Pakis claiming Indus Valley Civilization is really laughable.

This is a perfect example of why they are in identity crisis.

 

[LordOfTheUnderworlds]

Lol you are wrong my friend if you think recognising your past or pre-Islamic history/heritage mean to practising what your non Muslim ancestors did thousand year ago. Its called pre-Islamic period for some reason. Even Hindus don't practise what their ancestors did practised during vedic time lol If suppose your son convert into Islam tomorrow then he will remain your son but he will be the follower of Islam..no? You cannoy say that he is not your son just because he change his religious beliefs. Religion is just one identity and you have different other identities i.e ur tribe/ethnicity/culture/lanaguge etc

Hi. Why do you think that is you ancestor's religion or culture? I' m curious are you a Rajput, like advocate Mohammad Ali Ismaili, or similar high caste Pakistani? Then only your posts will make some sense.

So people living in this region( called Pakistan now) were landed from sky in 1947 and had no prior existence ?

Not from space, they dropped from Arabia, Iran and Central Asian steppes. That is the crux of the two nation theory and Pakistani identity.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

actually let me say it in better words

Ancestors of some Pakistanis/afghan were part of India's Vedic history. Their is no denial in this claim from Pakistani side. Take example of Saudi Arabia which is Muslim country now but they have ancestors who were pagans/atheists/jews . Division of India or Pakistan was not mainly because of differences in religion of current generation of Pakistani with current generation of Hindus which may have same origin or link in Past. This division was also because of getting more political or social rights for Muslims of India which congress was not willing to give in Hindu dominant India during that time. When Islam came in arab world then even people fought wars with same blood relatives, tribes and ethnic because of differences in religion. Islam ask Muslim to love Islam more than anything else be it your tribe, country, ethnic or even your own father. Arabs did this, African did this and Pakistani did this

Do you still feel there was a need for separation solely on a religious basis?
There was no hindu dominant india at that time it was British dominated.
Hindus lived under the rule of many empires for centuries. What was the threat
Muslims felt from Hindus? Why do Muslims immigrate to other non Muslim
nations if this belief is Considered universal among Muslims ?

 

[Bhadra]

somewhat related to the originality of geography :

 

[brational]

Pakistanis know that their ancestors were majorly Hindus but due to Islam factor they don't acknowledge it. Pakistan was made in a hurry and no brainstorming were done to acknowledge some basic facts.
Later the Pakistani leaders identified the contradictions and instead of recognising them they tried to conceal the issues by giving pseudo identity and creating pseudo ancestry. Rulers forced the historians to re-write the history. Hence the current generation is suffering from identity crisis.
Few Pakis still acknowledge their hindu origin and they are known as RAW agents.

 

[Bhadra]

All Pakistanis are Indians..