Pakistan to acquire China's VT-4 Main Battle Tank

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#COAS visited Field Firing Ranges near Jhelum today to witness demonstration of state of art Chinese origin 3rd generation Main Battle Tank VT-4. This potent war fighting machine will be employed in offensive role by strike formations after induction
 

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#COAS General Bajwa witnessed demonstration of #Chinese origin 3rd gen Main Battle Tank VT-4 #VT4 is on par with the world’s best tanks, featuring advanced armour protection, maneuverability, fire power capabilities & state of the art technology



#COAS visited Field Firing Ranges near Jhelum today to witness demonstration of state of art Chinese origin 3rd generation Main Battle Tank VT-4. This potent war fighting machine will be employed in offensive role by strike formations after induction
 

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Pakistan Inducts Chinese-Made VT-4 Main Battle Tank
Pakistan Army has inducted Chinese made VT-4 Main Battle Tank considered one of the latest tanks in the world

According to Pakistani military’s Inter Service Public Relations (ISPR), Chief of Army Staff (CoAS) General Qamar Javed Bajwa visited Field Firing Ranges near Jhelum today and witnessed a demonstration of the new tank.

“This potent war fighting machine will be employed in offensive role by strike formations after induction,” read an ISPR statement.

VT-4 is compatible with any modern tank in the world integrating advanced armour protection, manoeuvrability, fire power capabilities and state of the art technology.

Interacting with the officers and men, COAS expressed satisfaction over demonstrated performance of Tank VT-4, another addition to inventory of Armoured Corps.

This is the second induction of a new tank in the Pakistani army this year after that of the indigenously produced Al-Khalid-1 Tank.

The VT-4 tanks for Pakistan are said to be upgraded with reactive armour and an improved turret. The tank is manufactured by China's NORINCO.

The VT4 is equipped with a 125-millimeter smoothbore gun, can fire armour-piercing fin-stabilized discarding-sabot (APFSDS), high explosive anti-tank cartridges, and missiles with a 5-kilometer range.

Equipped with a China-made 1,200-horsepower diesel-fuelled engine and a hydromechanical drive system, the VT4 can travel at a maximum speed of 70 kph and a maximum cross-country speed of 50 kph.

Pakistan is said to have placed an order for 240 VT-4 tanks from NORINCO the value of which has not been disclosed. The first 4 of these tanks were delivered in April this year.
 

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Chinese VT-4 tank takes 30 minutes to fire a shell. After Thailand, Nigeria now complains about VT-4 tanks

Recently, with an article published in the Nigerian Defense News, about the Chinese supplied VT-4 main battle tank equipped by the Nigerian Army, it seems that something is wrong with the VT-4, which has always been regarded as the pride of China’s tank industry exports.


The report mentioned that the Nigerian Army is not very satisfied with the VT-4 in actual operation, especially in a recent live fire shooting exercise, a VT-4 operated by Nigerian personnel, actually “took more than 30 minutes to fire the shell”. Given that Nigeria has been receiving VT-4s for more than two years and undergoing considerable training time, this result is very unacceptable to the Nigerian Army leadership. Nigeria appears to be currently considering the VT-4 delivered as a training model in favor of introducing Russian T-90 family tanks as the main force. This is not the first time VT-4 criticized by users earlier Thailand also complained about VT-4 tank

The VT-4 is the highest exported tank by China and has been a source of pride for China and especially with the Pakistani Army, which can’t afford an expensive tank recently shows interest on additional 380 orders on top of the earlier 300 orders. So far, the VT-4 has a total of three users, of which the Pakistan Army with the biggest user and highest evaluation. The Thai Army introduced 49 vehicles in batches, and the unit price is slightly higher than Pakistan, but Thailand was the first user of the VT-4. The Nigerian Army was the second customer, with 35 units delivered so far with lowest price.

In January 2021, just seven months after delivery, the VT-4 was pulled into battle by the Nigerian Army to fight opposition forces in its territory, marking the first time the VT-4 had participated in actual combat. In a firefight not long after, the Nigerian Army discarded a large number of weapons and ammunition to retreat, and the outside world was surprised to find a vague shadow of the suspected VT-4 in the video released by the opposition forces, which immediately caused an uproar. However, it was later confirmed that this was actually abandoned by the Nigerian Army, and an old British Vickers Mk3 tank was not captured as the VT-4 was as early public opinion speculated. However, judging from the Nigerian Army’s record of voluntarily abandoning the T-72B and Vickers Mk3 over the years, perhaps this embarrassing scene will play out in the near future.

It is precisely because of the Nigerian Army’s unexpected performance before, after the news that the VT-4 “took more than 30 minutes to shoot the shell”. But no one was surprised After all Thai army also complain about many things about VT-4 tank.

Thailand’s decision to buy VT-4 is the result of Ukraine’s failure to deliver the T-84 Oplot on schedule. At first, Thailand was confused between the T-90S and the T-84 Oplot tank, but US diplomatic pressure led it to choose the T-84 over the T-90S.

However, due to many problems, Ukraine could not deliver the T-84 in time. Therefore, Thailand had to choose another modern tank to replace the T-84. Once again, the Thai government after the coupled to the selection of VT-4 over T-90 and Thailand as the first VT-4 contract.

The VT-4 uses Chinese 125 mm BT-4 ammunition. BT-4 is the export name for the DTW125 ammunition, a Chinese last-generation armor-piercing fin-stabilized bullet with a tungsten piercing device, capable of penetrating 700 mm at a distance of 2 km.

While the 125 mm is the standard caliber, the VT-4 can also be exported with a 120 mm caliber cannon upon request of the customer. The 140 mm ammunition was once considered to be used by the VT-4 and future Chinese domestic tanks, but it is currently being shelved for research into better ammunition.

Thailand’s VT-4 is also compatible with Ukraine’s ammunition, including anti-tank guided missiles. But in the original design of the VT-4 it was not possible to use anti-tank guided missiles, this feature was added to the Thai VT-4 to use the anti-tank missiles delivered with the T- 84.


The body armor of the VT-4 is estimated to provide protection between 500 and 600 mm, and 700 to 800 mm if the ERA package is included. Turret armor stats remain limited for potential customers. Other features on the VT-4 include a laser alarm receiver and a The VT4 is equipped with a stabilized fire control including cooled thermal imager sights for commander and gunner.

In fact, Thai tankers have complained about the ERA protection package on the VT-4 being thinner than the Oplot. The Oplot’s design of the soft destroys proactive defense system has been proven in combat (as Ukraine’s Varta system is a copy of the Russian Shtora system that has proven effective in Syria), while VT4’s system has not been tested.

Although the performance of the VT-4 is unlikely to be on par with the latest American or Russian tanks least on paper, due to its design based on last-generation technology, the VT-4 is strong enough to withstand most contact threats from older generation tanks.

Therefore, the VT-4 is likely to be a popular and robust export product for countries with limited budgets or without political ties with Russia, Europe, or the US.

At present, the Russian Army, as the main force fighting in Ukraine, has a strong demand for tanks, and even recently there has been news that the T-90S equipped by the Indian Army was pulled onto the battlefield by the Russian army for self-use when it returned to Russia for upgrades. Even if the Russian-Ukrainian exchange of fire can end in 2023, the Russian army will need to spend a considerable amount of time to compensate for the loss of its own active tanks and inventory, and it will be very difficult for other countries to purchase T-90 main battle tanks from Russia for at least 3-5 years. Nigeria’s relationship with Russia itself is not very close, its tank purchase orders are not large, and there is little chance that Russia will give it the green light. As a country in the difficult part of Africa, Nigeria may not be able to withstand such a long gap of workhorses.

In general, the VT-4’s “more than 30 minutes to fire the shell” is most likely a technical failure or maybe a maintenance problem, resulting in a huge firing time should be the most likely reason. Its well known that Chinese weapons are only good in paper not in actual combat. Even Pakistan and Myanmar JF-17 fighter jets supplied by China are grounded because of low build quality and lack of supply parts.
 

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Chinese VT-4 tank takes 30 minutes to fire a shell. After Thailand, Nigeria now complains about VT-4 tanks

Recently, with an article published in the Nigerian Defense News, about the Chinese supplied VT-4 main battle tank equipped by the Nigerian Army, it seems that something is wrong with the VT-4, which has always been regarded as the pride of China’s tank industry exports.


The report mentioned that the Nigerian Army is not very satisfied with the VT-4 in actual operation, especially in a recent live fire shooting exercise, a VT-4 operated by Nigerian personnel, actually “took more than 30 minutes to fire the shell”. Given that Nigeria has been receiving VT-4s for more than two years and undergoing considerable training time, this result is very unacceptable to the Nigerian Army leadership. Nigeria appears to be currently considering the VT-4 delivered as a training model in favor of introducing Russian T-90 family tanks as the main force. This is not the first time VT-4 criticized by users earlier Thailand also complained about VT-4 tank

The VT-4 is the highest exported tank by China and has been a source of pride for China and especially with the Pakistani Army, which can’t afford an expensive tank recently shows interest on additional 380 orders on top of the earlier 300 orders. So far, the VT-4 has a total of three users, of which the Pakistan Army with the biggest user and highest evaluation. The Thai Army introduced 49 vehicles in batches, and the unit price is slightly higher than Pakistan, but Thailand was the first user of the VT-4. The Nigerian Army was the second customer, with 35 units delivered so far with lowest price.

In January 2021, just seven months after delivery, the VT-4 was pulled into battle by the Nigerian Army to fight opposition forces in its territory, marking the first time the VT-4 had participated in actual combat. In a firefight not long after, the Nigerian Army discarded a large number of weapons and ammunition to retreat, and the outside world was surprised to find a vague shadow of the suspected VT-4 in the video released by the opposition forces, which immediately caused an uproar. However, it was later confirmed that this was actually abandoned by the Nigerian Army, and an old British Vickers Mk3 tank was not captured as the VT-4 was as early public opinion speculated. However, judging from the Nigerian Army’s record of voluntarily abandoning the T-72B and Vickers Mk3 over the years, perhaps this embarrassing scene will play out in the near future.

It is precisely because of the Nigerian Army’s unexpected performance before, after the news that the VT-4 “took more than 30 minutes to shoot the shell”. But no one was surprised After all Thai army also complain about many things about VT-4 tank.

Thailand’s decision to buy VT-4 is the result of Ukraine’s failure to deliver the T-84 Oplot on schedule. At first, Thailand was confused between the T-90S and the T-84 Oplot tank, but US diplomatic pressure led it to choose the T-84 over the T-90S.

However, due to many problems, Ukraine could not deliver the T-84 in time. Therefore, Thailand had to choose another modern tank to replace the T-84. Once again, the Thai government after the coupled to the selection of VT-4 over T-90 and Thailand as the first VT-4 contract.

The VT-4 uses Chinese 125 mm BT-4 ammunition. BT-4 is the export name for the DTW125 ammunition, a Chinese last-generation armor-piercing fin-stabilized bullet with a tungsten piercing device, capable of penetrating 700 mm at a distance of 2 km.

While the 125 mm is the standard caliber, the VT-4 can also be exported with a 120 mm caliber cannon upon request of the customer. The 140 mm ammunition was once considered to be used by the VT-4 and future Chinese domestic tanks, but it is currently being shelved for research into better ammunition.

Thailand’s VT-4 is also compatible with Ukraine’s ammunition, including anti-tank guided missiles. But in the original design of the VT-4 it was not possible to use anti-tank guided missiles, this feature was added to the Thai VT-4 to use the anti-tank missiles delivered with the T- 84.


The body armor of the VT-4 is estimated to provide protection between 500 and 600 mm, and 700 to 800 mm if the ERA package is included. Turret armor stats remain limited for potential customers. Other features on the VT-4 include a laser alarm receiver and a The VT4 is equipped with a stabilized fire control including cooled thermal imager sights for commander and gunner.

In fact, Thai tankers have complained about the ERA protection package on the VT-4 being thinner than the Oplot. The Oplot’s design of the soft destroys proactive defense system has been proven in combat (as Ukraine’s Varta system is a copy of the Russian Shtora system that has proven effective in Syria), while VT4’s system has not been tested.

Although the performance of the VT-4 is unlikely to be on par with the latest American or Russian tanks least on paper, due to its design based on last-generation technology, the VT-4 is strong enough to withstand most contact threats from older generation tanks.

Therefore, the VT-4 is likely to be a popular and robust export product for countries with limited budgets or without political ties with Russia, Europe, or the US.

At present, the Russian Army, as the main force fighting in Ukraine, has a strong demand for tanks, and even recently there has been news that the T-90S equipped by the Indian Army was pulled onto the battlefield by the Russian army for self-use when it returned to Russia for upgrades. Even if the Russian-Ukrainian exchange of fire can end in 2023, the Russian army will need to spend a considerable amount of time to compensate for the loss of its own active tanks and inventory, and it will be very difficult for other countries to purchase T-90 main battle tanks from Russia for at least 3-5 years. Nigeria’s relationship with Russia itself is not very close, its tank purchase orders are not large, and there is little chance that Russia will give it the green light. As a country in the difficult part of Africa, Nigeria may not be able to withstand such a long gap of workhorses.

In general, the VT-4’s “more than 30 minutes to fire the shell” is most likely a technical failure or maybe a maintenance problem, resulting in a huge firing time should be the most likely reason. Its well known that Chinese weapons are only good in paper not in actual combat. Even Pakistan and Myanmar JF-17 fighter jets supplied by China are grounded because of low build quality and lack of supply parts.
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‘That is true for all Chinese defence exports. Overstated claims of success, cheap price and easy credit attracts customers to buy Chinese Hardware.
In defence circles, concern over T-90 barrel burst, Cheetah helicopter crash
There have been instances of barrel burst of tanks and artillery guns during field firing in the recent past though it was in 2019 that a T-90 tank barrel burst was last reported publicly. A jawan had died in that incident which took place in Pokhran Field Firing Ranges near Bikaner.

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Chandigarh | Updated: October 10, 2022 10:42:51 am
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Cheetah helicopter at Siachen glacier. (File/ Praveen Khanna)
The death of two Army personnel in a T-90 tank barrel burst while taking part in field exercise in Babina, near Jhansi in Madhya Pradesh and the death of a pilot in an Army Aviation Cheetah helicopter crash were two sad developments last week, which were focus of discussion in military circles.
There have been instances of barrel burst of tanks and artillery guns during field firing in the recent past though it was in 2019 that a T-90 tank barrel burst was last reported publicly. A jawan had died in that incident which took place in Pokhran Field Firing Ranges near Bikaner.
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Yhe Army has launched a Court of Inquiry into the last week’s T-90 tank barrel burst incident even as it is being speculated whether it was due to fault in the metallurgy of the barrel or because of defective ammunition. Neither can be ruled out at this stage, say veterans who have commanded armoured regiments and some who have experienced barrel bursts of T-72 tanks as well.

The death of a Lt Col flying a Cheetah Helicopter in a crash in the North East also resulted in discussions over the age of these flying machines and the repeated loss of lives of pilots. Again, as in the case of the T-90 barrel burst, the cause of the crash is not in the public domain and the Army has ordered a court of inquiry.
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It is not yet known whether the crash can be attributed to the age of the helicopter, technical fault, bad weather or to human error (aircrew). This can only be ascertained after the Court of Inquiry concludes. A group of Army wives whose husbands fly these helicopters or are engineers who work on them, have written letters to the government demanding that these old choppers be withdrawn from service.
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However, the opaqueness which surrounds inquiries of military aviation crashes is something which needs to be addressed. Unless there are security concerns of the highest kind, the reason for these crashes must be officially put out for the taxpayers to know. Unfortunately, the excuse of confidentiality is used to keep the aviation accident inquiries of the Army, Navy and the IAF under wraps and nothing is ever revealed after a bland statement that “a Court of Inquiry has been ordered”.
Even the relatives of the personnel who die in these crashes have to make do with verbal communication of probable cause and are not privy to the inquiry reports. This can be very painful for them apart from encouraging rumours of all kinds to circulate. This must change now and accountability of anyone or anything which leads to a crash must be revealed to the nation.
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In defence circles, concern over T-90 barrel burst, Cheetah helicopter crash
There have been instances of barrel burst of tanks and artillery guns during field firing in the recent past though it was in 2019 that a T-90 tank barrel burst was last reported publicly. A jawan had died in that incident which took place in Pokhran Field Firing Ranges near Bikaner.

Written by Man Aman Singh Chhina
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Chandigarh | Updated: October 10, 2022 10:42:51 am
Newsguard

Cheetah helicopter at Siachen glacier. (File/ Praveen Khanna)
The death of two Army personnel in a T-90 tank barrel burst while taking part in field exercise in Babina, near Jhansi in Madhya Pradesh and the death of a pilot in an Army Aviation Cheetah helicopter crash were two sad developments last week, which were focus of discussion in military circles.
There have been instances of barrel burst of tanks and artillery guns during field firing in the recent past though it was in 2019 that a T-90 tank barrel burst was last reported publicly. A jawan had died in that incident which took place in Pokhran Field Firing Ranges near Bikaner.
Read in Explained |Light Combat Helicopter inducted into Indian Air Force: its features, weapons
Yhe Army has launched a Court of Inquiry into the last week’s T-90 tank barrel burst incident even as it is being speculated whether it was due to fault in the metallurgy of the barrel or because of defective ammunition. Neither can be ruled out at this stage, say veterans who have commanded armoured regiments and some who have experienced barrel bursts of T-72 tanks as well.

The death of a Lt Col flying a Cheetah Helicopter in a crash in the North East also resulted in discussions over the age of these flying machines and the repeated loss of lives of pilots. Again, as in the case of the T-90 barrel burst, the cause of the crash is not in the public domain and the Army has ordered a court of inquiry.
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It is not yet known whether the crash can be attributed to the age of the helicopter, technical fault, bad weather or to human error (aircrew). This can only be ascertained after the Court of Inquiry concludes. A group of Army wives whose husbands fly these helicopters or are engineers who work on them, have written letters to the government demanding that these old choppers be withdrawn from service.
Also Read |NASA’s Ingenuity Mars Helicopter had strange ‘foreign debris’ stuck to it
However, the opaqueness which surrounds inquiries of military aviation crashes is something which needs to be addressed. Unless there are security concerns of the highest kind, the reason for these crashes must be officially put out for the taxpayers to know. Unfortunately, the excuse of confidentiality is used to keep the aviation accident inquiries of the Army, Navy and the IAF under wraps and nothing is ever revealed after a bland statement that “a Court of Inquiry has been ordered”.
Even the relatives of the personnel who die in these crashes have to make do with verbal communication of probable cause and are not privy to the inquiry reports. This can be very painful for them apart from encouraging rumours of all kinds to circulate. This must change now and accountability of anyone or anything which leads to a crash must be revealed to the nation.
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Two army personnel killed, 1 hurt in T-90 tank barrel burst

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Are chutiye .let me find reports of shitfuckery of PLA and post it .then don't cry that it is all done be western propagandists .
 

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PA has currently has 570 VT4s on order of which --> 176 are being delivered fully assembled from China, 284 are being assembled using semi-complete kits in HIT, and remaining 110 are being built using full assembly kits at HIT.
 

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At the end of the day Pakistan needs balls to use these Chinese toys against India. Neither China nor Pakistan or both together can grow the balls. All they can do is suck each other's tits, exchange pleasantries and live in their own fantasy to make India compromise on its stand, one day.
So if you have balls let start a war with china alone who is slowly but surely took arunanchal and Ladakh border lands from you and you don't have balls to take that land back don't deny your land not captured Indian army and your media already accepted that fact
 

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VT 4 will be upgraded with new upcoming hard kill active protection as GL 5 only has 80 percent succes rate

 

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So if you have balls let start a war with china alone who is slowly but surely took arunanchal and Ladakh border lands from you and you don't have balls to take that land back don't deny your land not captured Indian army and your media already accepted that fact
We are in possession of arunachal pradesh 100%. Yes we lost some part of Ladakh and when the next war starts, we will take those lands back and more.

You shouldn't be talking like this especially when your country has lost 4 times to India and is on the verge of breaking up in a civil war. Please get your copium from another place. India ain't the place for you to get copium.
 

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So if you have balls let start a war with china alone who is slowly but surely took arunanchal and Ladakh border lands from you and you don't have balls to take that land back don't deny your land not captured Indian army and your media already accepted that fact
Abe bhadwe show me in map which areas did we lose in Ladakh
Arunachal is completely with us
It's not like kpk ki gand marte rahe aur local goons rule karte rahe par map pe apna control bata te rahe
 

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