Pakistan set to declare Gilgit-Baltistan as fifth province

[Hiranyaksha]

More than the indian government it will be the pakistan government who will be more worried once they make this move and see the turn of events happening in the Gilgit northern province area s especially from the people who are living there who will kick the move .

Highly improbable. Population of Gilgit Baltistan is 1,800,000. And since many decades, demography of the region has been slowly changed by Pakistani State. People of Punjabi origin have replaced native Shins, Yashkuns, Kashmiris, Kashgaris,Pamiris, Pathans, and Kohistanis. So with low population and that too, most of it, already been replaced with friendly population from Pakistani heartland, makes it highly improbable.

 

[Neo]

As per the news report, this was initiated by sartaj aziz. i said last year that the guy has gone senile because of his old age.

if they declare GB as a province, the probability of solution to kashmir problem either thru war or diplomacy increases.

Zia wanted to declare GB a province and so did Musharraf but time was not right until now. FATA is being merged with KPK and soon the constitution will be amended to elevate GB's status as the 5th province.

 

[Spindrift]

We really need to administer an enema to the pakis by means of Brahmos.

 

[ezsasa]

Our fight is against a much more deadlier force, the Taliban and Daesh. No civilians are being targeted in FATA. Can you say the same? How many stonepelters did go blind? How many died? You will take bullets with pride and courage yet kill innocent civilians armed with stones? Some logic.

In a charged up environment even in pakistan, stone pelters get killed by police. This is from lahore 2014.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1113304
i am sure if we start digging up there will be more such stories from with in pakistan itself.

So let's not blame indian police forces alone. Job of police is to enforce writ of state by whatever means necessary. if people are willing to come infront of loaded guns when curfew is in place, means they are prepared for the consequences.

coming back to aerial bombings of civilians, how do you know that there are no civilians killed in aerial bombings in FATA? There is no third party verification there, your news channels publish only info provided by your army. even local journos do not have access to those areas to verify.

naxals when they were in tens of thousands, they were equally deadly compared to taliban. yet their numbers have been reduced to a few thousands without aerial bombings and taliban are still flourishing, what does that tell you?

 

[ezsasa]

since we are on the topic.. from UNHRC meeting from yesterday ....

 

[Hiranyaksha]

Non aligned stance and trying to gather best from both super power is not a good strategy. Nobody will stand for India's claim for State of Jammu & Kashmir, no matter how righteous it may be. India has to take its own stand. It is in US interest to further deepen mistrust and move India away from China. And any hard stance from India's side will only play into US favor.
So Indians can make all hue and cry they want, but reality is that nobody is going to meddle into the affair till Indians will start acting onto their own stance.

 

[ezsasa]

Non aligned stance and trying to gather best from both super power is not a good strategy. Nobody will stand for India's claim for State of Jammu & Kashmir, no matter how righteous it may be. India has to take its own stand. It is in US interest to further deepen mistrust and move India away from China. And any hard stance from India's side will only play into US favor.
So Indians can make all hue and cry they want, but reality is that nobody is going to meddle into the affair till Indians will start acting onto their own stance.

agreed, That does not mean we have to fight today..
we increase our capabilities in such a manner that incase if it ends up being a prolonged war we have sufficient resources to sustain a long war. by capabilities i mean both economically and militarily.

even though indian generals and strategists are saying the next war is going to be short war, since 2001 there have been no short wars, only low intensity long wars in west asia, crimea and ukraine...

 

[Willy2]

Non aligned stance and trying to gather best from both super power is not a good strategy. Nobody will stand for India's claim for State of Jammu & Kashmir, no matter how righteous it may be. India has to take its own stand. It is in US interest to further deepen mistrust and move India away from China. And any hard stance from India's side will only play into US favor.
So Indians can make all hue and cry they want, but reality is that nobody is going to meddle into the affair till Indians will start acting onto their own stance.

Also we encourage it that "Kashmir( Not mentioning J&K) a bilateral issue" , but reluctant to solve it by ourselves , killing generations of soldiers and ppl in bothside .

 

[Hassain Ghazini]

There is mixed feeling in Pakistan.

GBians have been overtly supportive of this move, they don't and never have viewed themselves as Kashmiris and a part of Kashmir (hold great resentment for ethnic cleansing during Dogra rule). They also don't want to be a part of the Kashmir dispute, there have been massive protests calling for recognition as Pakistani citizens and having their own province. Nationalists have called for autonomous province, but they enjoy little to no support.

Kashmiri Mohajir and Kashmir lobby are extremely against this move. They believe it's a stab in the back for Kashmiris in I0K. People of KPK/Punjab are mostly against, people from Sindh and Balochistan are supportive.

Either decision will cause protests to an extent.

Highly improbable. Population of Gilgit Baltistan is 1,800,000. And since many decades, demography of the region has been slowly changed by Pakistani State. People of Punjabi origin have replaced native Shins, Yashkuns, Kashmiris, Kashgaris,Pamiris, Pathans, and Kohistanis. So with low population and that too, most of it, already been replaced with friendly population from Pakistani heartland, makes it highly improbable.

I have heard a lot of you guys bring that up. There is no 'state-sponsored' demographic change. You cannot even buy property there, i've always dreamt of owning a cabin in Neelum valley. Punjabis are also better off in Punjab than in the North, they go there for vacations but no one thinks about living there. What you're saying is in fact the opposite, today - Northerners (Kashmiris, Baltis and other Dardic People) make up over a quarter of Punjab's population.

 

[Blackwater]

LOL with pellet guns ..................

better than missing personssssss

 

[Compersion]

The pakis are also doing a census ... will it reveal the truth that such area is majorly Shia !!

 

[Hiranyaksha]

There is mixed feeling in Pakistan.

GBians have been overtly supportive of this move, they don't and never have viewed themselves as Kashmiris and a part of Kashmir (hold great resentment for ethnic cleansing during Dogra rule). They also don't want to be a part of the Kashmir dispute, there have been massive protests calling for recognition as Pakistani citizens and having their own province. Nationalists have called for autonomous province, but they enjoy little to no support.

Kashmiri Mohajir and Kashmir lobby are extremely against this move. They believe it's a stab in the back for Kashmiris in I0K. People of KPK/Punjab are mostly against, people from Sindh and Balochistan are supportive.

Either decision will cause protests to an extent.


I have heard a lot of you guys bring that up. There is no 'state-sponsored' demographic change. You cannot even buy property there, i've always dreamt of owning a cabin in Neelum valley. Punjabis are also better off in Punjab than in the North, they go there for vacations but no one thinks about living there. What you're saying is in fact the opposite, today - Northerners (Kashmiris, Baltis and other Dardic People) make up over a quarter of Punjab's population.

Ever since Islamic Republic of Pakistan has taken huge amount of loans from People's Republic of China,has allowed Chinese Marines on Port of Gwadar and is governing Balochistan and major projects under directives from Communist Party of China. I don't see how people will have voice or say in such a "sovereign and democratic" nation or how much their voice will amount too. Anyway Pakistan is all set to be warzone for future conflicts.

 

[Brood Father]

Our fight is against a much more deadlier force, the Taliban and Daesh. No civilians are being targeted in FATA. Can you say the same? How many stonepelters did go blind? How many died? You will take bullets with pride and courage yet kill innocent civilians armed with stones? Some logic.

Lol....The least place from where we should get humanity advise is from a pakistani ,
Your millatry butchered millions of bengalis in 1971 Remember Tikka and Yahya Khan

And for the bombing in FATA, saar you killed innocents women and children
Link is attached

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.c...reds-including-civilians-over-past-six-months

And finally link from wikipedia where it is clearly stated that you made deal with US to bomb your own people for mere weapons

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_strikes_in_Pakistan

And less we speak about baloochistan more the better

 

[I am otm shank]

Selective memory you have.
Remember Mizoram, how you bombed it and lied about it for decades?

So Pakistan is no better today than a kaffir state was in the 1960s? you guys have really let things slip

India needs to actually start supporting pakistani liberation movements now that Gilgit will become a tinderbox. first order of business should be donating a few dozen manpads to them to shoot down those pesky pakijihadis gunships that will be attacking their women and children

 

[Hiranyaksha]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-pakistan-water-idUSKBN16N03E .

I think Indian diplomacy is taking war on the right front. Agriculture forms 25.1% of Pakistan's economy. India should also focus large scale environmental engineering projects such as proposed inter basin water transfer links and divert water from the Indus, the Chenab and the Jhelum. And decrease Pakistan's capability to pay back loans to PRC as well as increasing the cost of the projects by keeping insurgency and LOC alive.

 

[Krusty]

We are not pakistan bro .. We don t use heavy gunship or Attack copters like they do in FATA and Baloch ,, We still try to win kashmiri s hearts with love on one hand and soft stick on the other ..

Thalaiva, we have been trying to win hearts ever since 1947. It's high time we try something else. Because trying to win hearts and minds clearly isn't working out. In return, our soldiers are needlessly sacrificed. Time to search for alternatives. It makes no sense in trying the same thing over and over knowing it didn't work.

 

[sthf]

Selective memory you have.
Remember Mizoram, how you bombed it and lied about it for decades?

Wow, using air force to defend the very last post once in 70 years is the same.

 

[Hiranyaksha]

So Pakistan is no better today than a kaffir state was in the 1960s? you guys have really let things slip

India needs to actually start supporting pakistani liberation movements now that Gilgit will become a tinderbox. first order of business should be donating a few dozen manpads to them to shoot down those pesky pakijihadis gunships that will be attacking their women and children

India must start now similar Azadi Movement in GB. Pakistan has made real easy for India to turn the same "Indian Occupied Kashmir" narrative and start similar movement across Pakistan, targeting both civil and military assets.

 

[captscooby81]

I said love on one hand and soft stick on other hand which is nothing but using counter insurgency .. Hard stick is something which i also wish the indian Govt does but i don' t think its going to happen in my lifetime seeing the kind of politicians who we have they always want to win the elections and keep their seat in the throne alive .. We should take back POK a bit of it which especially has the CPEC runs through ..

Thalaiva, we have been trying to win hearts ever since 1947. It's high time we try something else. Because trying to win hearts and minds clearly isn't working out. In return, our soldiers are needlessly sacrificed. Time to search for alternatives. It makes no sense in trying the same thing over and over knowing it didn't work.

 

[3deffect]

POK / kashmir is part of india iske alawa pakistan kuch bhi kre we dont care..

but if pakistan do something bad so remember this time MODI is in centre..