India and the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO)

Should India get permanant membership in the SCO?

  • Yes, India should join SCO as full member

    Votes: 15 55.6%
  • No, India's observer status is enough

    Votes: 10 37.0%
  • Not now, but maybe in the future

    Votes: 2 7.4%

  • Total voters
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Akim

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crystal clear ~ NO resemblance to the Warsaw pact at all, no ideological binding, no single big brother……and so on.

~Tapa talks: Orange is the new black.~
Certainly not similar. However, in Russia is often said and compare. Also there don't want to admit that in this organization, they do not play the first violin.
 

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Pakistan was never two nation theory shell. It was just a lollipop for gawar population, so military can justify their nation looting process..
Remember how Guardian of Islam Zia ul haq massacred thousand of palestinians as he got supari from king of jordan..
This changes nothing, army will be looting as always and their janta will be fooled as always..
there is always a pretext and islamic elucidation to what you say. what we need is to debunk two-nation theory forever !!
 

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No hegemony in BRICS or SCO....these organizations are different and will give message to humanity that nations can have mutual respect and peaceful coexistence if they have positive ,humanitarian feelings and respect for diversity and other nations. Its the current rotten, narcissistic mentality of some powers who want to destroy non western cultures and impose their greedy, selfish and materialistic ideology. They lack maturity and wisdom and are shallow because they are new (only 100 0r 200 years old)
These ancient civilizations which comprise BRICS/SCO are there for thousands of years and have depth of thinking as they learnt coexistence without hegemony over thousand of years of culture.
The candidate for US presidency, Donald "moron" trump's immaturity reflects the cultural bankrupsy.
He said a few days ago that he will bomb the entire middle east if he comes to power. Haven't you learnt
that injustice and violence to Iraq has brought them gift of beheaders and ISIS....When will People like Trump understand that every cruel ,unjust act brings more violence ? Why can't west elect sane and mature leaders? In long run, use of fear and bullying backfires.
 
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Pakistan offers its ports for trade to SCO countries

Pakistan on Wednesday offered the member states of Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) to use her seaports for international trade at the meeting of commerce ministers of the organisation in Xian China.

Addressing the gathering, Minister for Commerce Khurram Dastgir Khan invited the member countries to use Pakistani seaports as the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) gets implemented to improve connectivity of the trade routes to Arabian Sea.

The minister informed the gathering that Pakistan had recently acceded to TIR convention to further facilitate intra-regional connectivity which would ensure a more efficient and faster movement of goods across our borders to the countries of Central Asia.

It is important to mention that Pakistan has an observer status at the SCO and is scheduled to become a full member state in January 2016 which will provide new impetus to Pakistan’s relations with the member states.

Dastagir said one of strategic aim was to utilise Pakistan’s unique geo-political position to build trade, energy and communications corridors linking South Asia, West Asia, Central Asia and China.

The minister said Pakistan’s trade strategy focused on developing linkages with their neighbours leveraging their geographical location, and capitalizing on regional connectivity initiatives. He emphasized that cross-border trade was very important for landlocked member countries as Pakistan and the SCO countries would benefit substantially from greater integration through energy, commerce and transit trade.

The CPEC is a landmark initiative under the umbrella of “One Belt One Road” and this economic corridor will connect the nodes of growth centers, falling between Kashgar and Gwadar. The CPEC envisages connectivity and expansion of trade and investment through a network of roads, rail, fiber optic cables, and energy pipelines, he added.

Dastgir was of the view that Pakistan’s geo-strategic position offers Central Asian states access to the warm waters of Arabian Sea and huge markets of South Asia. He said Pakistan provided critical overland routes and connectivity for mutually beneficial trade and energy transactions.

Pakistan has undertaken several initiatives which include rebooting of Quadrilateral Agreement for Traffic in Transit (QTTA) between China, Kyrgyz Republic, Kazakhstan and Pakistan. The QTTA provides Pakistan a gateway to Central Asia and the landlocked Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan access to Pakistani seaports via CPEC.

The SCO members include China, Kazakhastan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has visited all the countries in SCO after assuming office to develop strong political, economic and trade ties with these countries.

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2015...sco-countries/
 

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Pakistan offers its ports for trade to SCO countries
Dastgir was of the view that Pakistan’s geo-strategic position offers Central Asian states access to the warm waters of Arabian Sea and huge markets of South Asia.
I think that is really a good idea. Part of the reason for Pakistan to have turned up like the way it is, is the excessive dependence or susceptibility to the concept of Offshore Balancer. The only natural way to live for both individuals and groups is to cooperate with neighbours.

Best of luck till the next Ghazwa.
 

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India will restrict shipments coming to India through Gwadar(Post access will be Chennai/Haldia). Central Asian countries are oil rich hence if India rejects the offer they have nothing to offer to middle east and Africa. India-Iran-Central Asia-Russia trade corridor is taking shape via Chabahar, hence Chabahar will remain as the only viable point to reach India from CAR and Russia.

For China-India trade, BCIM economic corridor will be more cost effective/viable. Pak-China Economic Corridor will be known as Pak-China Path-hole Corridor. China won't put money on this road. Pakistan will start the Best Friend search activity again.
 
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^^^

The only trade of significance for next few decades, flowing in from CAR to India, is going to be Oil and Gas.

"huge markets of South Asia" that the Pakistani Minister for Commerce Khurram Dastgir Khan, is taking up is only India. This is not unlike the other Pakis who call themselves south-asians to hide their Paki-ness. Besides no harm in Pakstanis taking up ownership of supplies from CAR.

Both Gwadar and Charbahar can serve Indian needs well, should we link up an undersea, pipeline from Charbahar to Kandla with additional linkage from Gwadar or even Karachi.
 

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Hot issues at 14th SCO PMs' meeting


the 14th prime ministers' meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) in Zhengzhou, capital of central China's Henan Province, Dec. 15, 2015


BEIJING, Dec. 14 (Xinhua) -- The 14th prime ministers' meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) opened Monday in central China's Zhengzhou City.

During the two-day meeting, heads of government from the SCO members China, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan are expected to discuss cooperation in trade, investment, finance, transportation and culture. The following are some hot issues at the meeting:

BELT AND ROAD INITIATIVE

The six countries will issue a statement on regional economic cooperation after the meeting, reiterating support for regional development strategies including the China-proposed initiative on the construction of the Silk Road Economic Belt and the 21st Century Maritime Silk Road, or the Belt and Road Initiative.

The Belt and Road Initiative was put forward by Chinese President Xi Jinping during a visit to Kazakhstan in 2013, and has since witnessed tangible commitments by China, including the launch of a New Silk Road Fund worth 40 billion U.S. dollars last year.

During an SCO summit in Russia's Ufa in July, Xi and Russian President Vladimir Putin agreed to regard the SCO as an important platform to dovetail the Silk Road Economic Belt initiative and the Russia-led Eurasian Economic Union (EEU).

Chen Xiaochen, a research fellow at Chongyang Institute for Financial Studies of China's Renmin University, said that through the Belt and Road Initiative, the SCO will develop rapidly on the ancient Silk Road.

INDUSTRIAL CAPACITY COOPERATION

Chinese Premier Li Keqiang first proposed industrial capacity cooperation at the 13th SCO prime ministers' meeting in the Kazakh capital city of Astana in December 2014.

The proposal to marry China's industry strengths in the production of steel, cement and other materials with Kazakhstan's huge demand for such commodities in the coming years has been hailed by many as a classic example of win-win cooperation.

The Chinese premier's proposal was warmly received by the Kazakh side, and as a gesture of appreciation, Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev even coined the term "Li Plan" to describe the package of industrial capacity cooperation projects Li put forward.

Under the plan, China and Kazakhstan have agreed on scores of deals on industrial capacity cooperation worth over 20 billion dollars.

Within the framework of the SCO, industrial capacity cooperation among the six member states is expected to be further promoted, which will be conducive to the economic recovery of the region and the world at large.

CUSTOMS COOPERATION

Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Cheng Guoping has disclosed that a "highlight" of the meeting will be that SCO prime ministers will sign a series of resolutions dealing with the SCO's cooperation in various fields, and witness the signing of such documents as SCO member states' customs cooperation plan from 2016 to 2021.

The move will facilitate interconnections and customs clearances among SCO member states as well as their information sharing in the field of law enforcement, including combating smuggling.

SCO DEVELOPMENT BANK

Both expanding trade and advancing interconnections and production capacity cooperation cannot be realized without financial support. At their meeting in Zhengzhou, SCO prime ministers are expected to obligate financial departments of their respective countries to strengthen studies on the establishment of the SCO development bank, implement the consensus reached by the heads of state of their countries, and lay a foundation for speedy substantial progress.

At SCO prime ministers' meetings over the past two years, Premier Li had been proposing to build a regional platform for financing. Chen believed that fostering investment in innovation is an important way for the world economy to completely exit the crisis.

The proposed SCO development bank as well as the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, the new BRICS development bank and the Silk Road Foundation are all driving forces for the SCO, and they will form a complete ecosystem for financing.

REGIONAL ANTI-TERRORISM

Security cooperation and economic cooperation are the "two wheels" of the SCO, especially security cooperation, where the SCO's scores are obvious.

The security situation in the Eurasian region, where SCO member states are located, is volatile due to a resurgence in terrorist acts around the world, especially by the extremist group the Islamic State (IS).

Also, the rehabilitation progress in Afghanistan faces various difficulties.

At the meeting held in Astana, the first proposal made by Premier Li was to build a strong regional security and stability barrier.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-12/14/c_134916460.htm



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China to build outposts for Tajik guards on Tajikistan-Afghanistan border

DUSHANBE (Reuters) - China plans to finance and build several outposts and other facilities to beef up Tajikistan's defense capabilities along its border with Afghanistan, the Tajik government said on Monday.

The Central Asian nation's 1,345-km border with its southern neighbour is leaky and Dushanbe routinely reports clashes between border guards and armed drug smugglers there.

The increased activity of Afghan Taliban in the northern Kunduz province is another source of concern.

A large part of the main highway connecting Tajikistan's most populous regions to China lies along the same border and armed trespassers this year kidnapped several Tajiks doing maintenance works on that road.



In a decree published on Monday, the government instructed the State National Security Committee to sign an agreement with the Chinese side which provides for the construction of eleven outposts of different sizes and a training centre for border guards.

China, which according to official statistics sells goods worth $2.5 billion a year to Tajikistan has already built one outpost on the Tajik-Afghan border, its first one, earlier this year.

Russia used to station its own border guards on the frontier until 2005, and after that kept a regiment in the Tajik city of Kulyab, 42 km (25 miles) from the Afghan border. But Moscow pulled the regiment out in December last year and moved it to the capital, Dushanbe, about 200 km further away.
 

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Russian troops arrive in China in SCO exercises
Nov 28 - 9:50 am


Units of the Russian special forces and the mountain shooters arrived in China to participate in joint military exercises within the framework of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), the representative of the Central Military District, Colonel Jaroslav Roshupkin, said.

According to him, the exercises will be held at a military base near the city of Korla in the Xinjiang Military District.

He added that the event is being attended by members of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, China and Russia. The exercises will last until December 4.

The SCO member states are Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, China, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.


Growing Alliance: Shanghai Bloc Taking Steps Toward Iran
© Sputnik/ Mikhail Klimentyev

Iran is committed to further rapprochement with China and Russia, Iranian academic Hamid Reza Azizi told Sputnik, commenting on the prospects of Tehran's accession to the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO). The Iranian academic highlighted the importance of a general consensus among SCO members regarding Iran's membership.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/politics/201611251047826169-sco-alliance-iran/
 
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http://thediplomat.com/2017/06/sco-set-to-expand-adding-india-and-pakistan/

Soon a pair of new flags are set to rise over the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) headquarters in Beijing. Representing the SCO’s first expansion since its 2001 inception, the ceremony — formally welcoming India and Pakistan to the SCO — will be filled with all of the pomp, circumstance, and heady talk of regional cooperation and swelling camaraderie to which regional observers have grown accustomed over the past few years.

Indeed, the accession of India and Pakistan, coming this week during the SCO’s summit in Astana, is something of a regional watershed. After acting as a Russian, Chinese, and Central Asian talk shop for the better part of the past two decades, the SCO is set to undergo the first formal expansion it’s ever known. The inclusion of both India and Pakistan will not only expand the SCO’s geographic writ, pushing it that much closer to a pan-Asian forum, but, with India’s inclusion, the SCO suddenly finds itself with that much more geopolitical heft.

But where such an expansion in, say, 2011 may have piqued interest in Brussels, Washington, and Jakarta, this week’s expansion appears far closer to an anticlimactic conclusion than Beijing or Moscow — or Delhi or Islamabad — would have it. To be sure, there are potential benefits to seeing India and Pakistan simultaneously joining another regional forum; as Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said in discussing the accession, “I see the journalists from Pakistan sit right here, while journalists from India sit over there. Maybe someday you can sit closer to each other.”

And there’s an outside possibility that SCO membership may, indeed, help Islamabad and Delhi push past some of their recently building tensions. But many of these recent pressures — including Kashmir — have been exacerbated, as the New Indian Express related, by Chinese investments in Pakistan, namely via the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). As India Today reported that the SCO “has also said it would back China’s One Belt, One Road (OBOR) initiative,” it’s that much clearer why China pushed to bring Pakistan into the SCO’s fold.

Meanwhile, Russia’s backing of India’s accession would appear to come from a desire to dilute Chinese influence in the group. As India Today continued, “For Russian observers, India’s entry is being seen as welcome in terms of making the grouping less China-dominated particularly as the security grouping begins to engage in economic initiatives.” Given the clear amity between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi — such that the two were photographed this week holding hands while strolling — Russia’s support for India joining the SCO is that much more unsurprising. As Modi said this week, “India and Russia have always been together on international issues” — even if that means weakening Beijing’s dominance of the SCO.

All told, the SCO’s looming expansion almost certainly won’t exacerbate the tensions running between India and Pakistan. But that doesn’t mean it’s necessarily the milestone regional representatives would have it be. If anything, SCO coordination — what exists of it — is set to become that much more difficult moving forward, especially as it pertains to focusing on terrorism. Indeed, when India and Pakistan first entered the path to formally joining the SCO two years ago, many observers surmised this was because China actually wanted to toss a wrench into the SCO’s gears, all the better to allow Beijing to act unilaterally. (Although the potential for regional refoulement will likely grow with the accession.) Likewise, Russia’s Crimea annexation, as well as its ongoing occupations in Georgia, have effectively neutered SCO claims about fighting the “three evils,” which include separatism.

So a few more flags will rise in Beijing, and a few more members will, for the first time, join the SCO. But the organization’s time — like the BRICS, that other organization housing the India-China-Russia triumvirate — appears to have passed it by, no matter how much expansion may soon come.
 

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What does the SCO do? And why is India joining? I read the article above, but not sure why India is joining. :hmm:
 

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SCO is turning out to be just a loan facilitater of ADB ...
 

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Woefully SCO turns out to be another talking club following BRICS. Members have less and less in common.

There is a SCO bank, and a BRICS bank. Then the arising AIIB has made both of them redundant.

Though not a binding organization, OBoR is a far more dynamic and flexible platform to engage concerned parties bilaterally.
 

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