Pakistan Looking to Negotiate Deal on Russian Su-35, Su-37 Jets

[sayareakd]

Russians are very businessman like, unlike Amercian who think for short term gains, mostly two years, when the congress and the civil servants are in office, Russian are very smart (ofcourse they have Chess and their national game). So if Pakistanis think that they will play with Russians they are in for great surprise.

 

[gadeshi]

Russians are not businessmen (Indians can give them a for a in this), but strategists.
They won't exchange strategical partners like India for money.
They can sell tanks, transports, helicopters or tankers but not such a strategic formidable weapons like heavy fighters.

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[gadeshi]

F-16... J-10.... Are you trying to be sarcastic. Apart from Gripen D..... All are single seater version AFAIk.

No, they are fully capable night/AW strikes at least (especially F-16D starting from Block 40/42).

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[rock127]

The Su-37 is a non-production prototype for god's sake.

Are the news-makers just writing articles with names of random Sukhoi aircraft that come up in a Google search??

I suppose Pakistan will be negotiating for Su-47 Berkut next? Why don't you ask for the PAK-FA while you're at it? It's not like you have to worry about the finances, it's China that has to pay after all.

Pakis are too smart, they are just distracting their enemies by these useless deals.

Pakis already have GAME CHANGING super planes called SU-786.

There is a veeedeoooo of that super secret SU-786 which has Atomic Lazer which can destroy anyone. Please see below the secret video of that and they have a full operational squardon of SU-786.

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As I said earlier that these Pakis have enough time to spread crappy threads and FAKE inventions as directed by ISI FAKE Propaganda Branch but they run away like a real PUSSY when they are specifically called out to comment. They are soooooo shameless that even after their info comes out FAKE they come again like a beigarait idiots.The reason Pakis have no izzat in the world.

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Betas, you dont need any SU-35/37 since you have SU-786 and everyone is afraid of it.

Sharam karo besharmon... your national dance is MUJRA.

 

[sorcerer]

What is this FLYING QURAN?
As in they drop the Quran on peoples head expect to knock them unconscious.

 

[Bornubus]

I say, if Russians double cross us this time (after Mi 35) dump them and instead buy from other sources or develop our own. Most of their weapons systems are junk anyway except SAMs

Arming Pakis are the biggest red line that Russian could ever cross.

 

[Screambowl]

I heard that they are doing some military exercise with Russians

 

[sorcerer]

I heard that they are doing some military exercise with Russians

Noooo...As usuall..THEY ARE PLANNING to Do.


Havent we been hearing the RUSSIAN-paki military exercise from early 2015s.Its been an year... It's Jujoobi.


See..the Russian LOOK EAST policy is understandable. and paki is one of the state in the east in relation with Russia...so engagements with paki is understandable from the Russian PoV...but Russians are very strategic in approach but not suicidal.

Engagements of Russia with India eclipse that of pakistan at a way wider wider way.
Then again...we have opened the market for Russia in Vietnam, and Afghanistan.
Heard them Vietnam boys got trained on Russian Submarine in India and they will place some orders for Russian Subs..
Thats relationships working in favor of both parties.

 

[alphacentury]

Maulana @rock127

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[gadeshi]

I heard that they are doing some military exercise with Russians

Narco and human trafficking deter drills.

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[rock127]

Narco and human trafficking deter drills.

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Any source? There are some Paki links but not much details other than some rhetoric just like SU-35.

 

[gadeshi]

Any source? There are some Paki links but not much details other than some rhetoric just like SU-35.

Russian FSKN (federal narco control agency) looks a fulcrum point in any country beyound Afganistan to cease heroine traffic from there.
So there were several (2 or 3) joint narco deter drills in the sea when Russian Navy ships visited Karachi.

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[salute]

russia is not a big economy like usa to provide these weapons to pakis at subsidized rates ,
as pakis gonna ask for subsidies for buying these weapons .

 

[A chauhan]

Russians are smart, in terms of defensive capabilities China became China because of Russia (USSR), India became India because of Russia. China is a big headache for USA, which became so because of Russia.


Reading all the posts here I got 3 points :-

1. Russia won't feed Pakistan as Pakistan is a "subsidy" based economy.

2. India's leverage (nuisance value) will make it hard for pakistan to get any "important" deal.

3. Russia has supported the Indian draft of CCIT in UN against terrorism, so it would be not so easy for pakistan to get the deals.

Arms are not sold without any strategy, what strategy could be interpreted with providing weapons to a terrorist state (about to be declared so). Pakistan is soon to be tight cornered in the issue of terrorism, so no one would like to be seen beside them. If China(all weather friend) is not giving pakis their copied SUs then why Russians?

 

[gadeshi]

Russians are smart, in terms of defensive capabilities China became China because of Russia (USSR), India became India because of Russia. China is a big headache for USA, which became so because of Russia.


Reading all the posts here I got 3 points :-

1. Russia won't feed Pakistan as Pakistan is a "subsidy" based economy.

2. India's leverage (nuisance value) will make it hard for pakistan to get any "important" deal.

3. Russia has supported the Indian draft of CCIT in UN against terrorism, so it would be not so easy for pakistan to get the deals.

Arms are not sold without any strategy, what strategy could be interpreted with providing weapons to a terrorist state (about to be declared so). Pakistan is soon to be tight cornered in the issue of terrorism, so no one would like to be seen beside them. If China(all weather friend) is not giving pakis their copied SUs then why Russians?

1 - Russians always want to make its friends and allies friends to each other. So that's why Pakistan will be a part of SCO after India and Iran. Mutual lucrative economy should eliminate hate and hostility.
2 - Russia will not feed anybody as a subsidy economy without extreme reason. Russians have tired to do this in Soviet times.

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[sasum]

1 - Russians always want to make its friends and allies friends to each other. So that's why Pakistan will be a part of SCO after India and Iran. Mutual lucrative economy should eliminate hate and hostility.
2 - Russia will not feed anybody as a subsidy economy without extreme reason. Russians have tired to do this in Soviet times.

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When you say Russia is tired of feeding subsidy economy during Soviet Era, do you point to India?
Another thing, given Putin's extreme hatred for Islam, do you think Russia under Putin will sell fighter jets to a committted jehadi state like Pak?

 

[A chauhan]

1 - Russians always want to make its friends and allies friends to each other. So that's why Pakistan will be a part of SCO after India and Iran. Mutual lucrative economy should eliminate hate and hostility.
2 - Russia will not feed anybody as a subsidy economy without extreme reason. Russians have tired to do this in Soviet times.

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I don't think that hostility and hate between India and pakistan can be eliminated.

 

[Chinmoy]

No, they are fully capable night/AW strikes at least (especially F-16D starting from Block 40/42).

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Agreed............. But what I mean is a operational Single engine two seater variant of any aircraft apart from Gripen. I don't understand the meaning of placing two crew in a single engine plane unless and untill its not with HUD and situational awareness system and high level of automation.

 

[sayareakd]

China is only countey which can supply Pakistan, but unlike USA which give aid, China invest with guarantee of Pakistan govt., which means if Pakis screw up, Chinese will take compensation in form of land........

 

[gadeshi]

When you say Russia is tired of feeding subsidy economy during Soviet Era, do you point to India?
Another thing, given Putin's extreme hatred for Islam, do you think Russia under Putin will sell fighter jets to a committted jehadi state like Pak?

1 - No, I point to some "communistic" and "democratic" regimes in Arabian world, SEA and so on. Syria is different cause there are Russian major interests there.
2 - I've already answered this question earlier and the answer is No.
3 - Where did you get the meaning that Putin is hearted for Islam?

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