Ok i admit my mistake about gnat being British not russian lol.
So really were you jahil madrassa teacher were high on their own *** to tell you the difference between Gnat's origin?
I also accpe that Mirage rose cannot be compaired to now upgraded or it will be of IAF.
Such a shameful admission isn't uncommon among you pakistani who don't want to get over their madrassa teach fantasy land until you get spanked.
But about that Bison being a 4 th generation jet now thats wacky FLYING COFFINS of india thanks to your best test friend russia upgraded with a few toys from osrael cannot make it 4th ge just like our Mirage rose cant be compaired to a mirage 2000-5.
Osreal, is that what your madrassa mullahs are teaching you?
About the crashes brother few months back a brand new SU 30mki went down moments after your presedent took a ride on it and yes it was ASSEMBLED by DRDO, wasnt it?
Yes, everyday those MKI show PAF's historians the difference between modern airforce and donated one like PAF.
About JF 17s export my friend there are two versions on is FC-1 its chinese version and the other JF17 its PAF version and yes you can go check out Pakistans weapon exports that were more then 300 million $$$.Plus we had been supplying weapons to muslim as well as other countries like drones even to uk and usa for survainace.Does that involve china also?
Jf 17 PAF version will be exported due to Pakistans repute among muslim and south asian countries you DONT HAVE TO BELIEVE ME THERE ARE MANY REPORTS RELATIVE TO THAT YOU CAN CHECK BBC.COM IF U WANT TO.
About its export to Srilanka i think you forgot that we have been supplying arms to them already for example a deal to sell around 30 - 40 ALKHALID mbs?Upgrading there other tanks etc?
So instead of talking about chinese influence please look the other way also?
Now about Our J7Pg my friends we have also modified them entensively with the help of the french companies like GRIFFO,SAGEM?with BVR capability avionice etc.That does mean they can compete with SU 30 or F16?
Reguarding the COMPARISON OF LCA with JF 17 dude what is the question of doin so one is still in testing and one is in production.
About half of our SQUADRONS etc how many do you have we currently have 160 J7PGs with Entensive upgrades??
Anyways about poverty nope thanks GOD poverty is not that a challenge in Pakistan ECONOMY is???
Unlike india where POVERTY is the biggest challenge economy isnt........
AND YOUR FRIEND STARTED HIS NON SENSE NOT ME.
SWEET DREAMS
What a load of crap, can someone teach this nonsence some basics of english who is quite used to madrassa teaching.
Regarding poverty of pakistan which is only going to hell to all you and save your madrassa from following report.
Obama May Launch Drone Attacks on Major Pakistani City | CommonDreams.org
Obama May Launch Drone Attacks on Major Pakistani City
U.S. officials seek to push CIA drone strikes into the major city of Quetta to try to pressure Pakistan into pursuing Taliban leaders based there
by Greg Miller and Julian E. Barnes
Senior U.S. officials are pushing to expand CIA drone strikes beyond Pakistan's tribal region and into a major city in an attempt to pressure the Pakistani government to pursue Taliban leaders based in Quetta.
[Quetta, Pakistan at night.]Quetta, Pakistan at night.
The proposal has opened a contentious new front in the clandestine war. The prospect of Predator aircraft strikes in Quetta, a sprawling city, signals a new U.S. resolve to decapitate the Taliban. But it also risks rupturing Washington's relationship with Islamabad.
The concern has created tension among Obama administration officials over whether unmanned aircraft strikes in a city of 850,000 are a realistic option. Proponents, including some military leaders, argue that attacking the Taliban in Quetta -- or at least threatening to do so -- is crucial to the success of the revised war strategy President Obama unveiled last week.
"If we don't do this -- at least have a real discussion of it -- Pakistan might not think we are serious," said a senior U.S. official involved in war planning. "What the Pakistanis have to do is tell the Taliban that there is too much pressure from the U.S.; we can't allow you to have sanctuary inside Pakistan anymore."
But others, including high-ranking U.S. intelligence officials, have been more skeptical of employing drone attacks in a place that Pakistanis see as part of their country's core. Pakistani officials have warned that the fallout would be severe.
"We are not a banana republic," said a senior Pakistani official involved in discussions of security issues with the Obama administration. If the United States follows through, the official said, "this might be the end of the road."
The CIA in recent years has stepped up a campaign against Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Pakistan, much of it with drone strikes in the rural tribal areas along the border with Afghanistan. The operations have been conducted with the consent of the government of President Asif Ali Zardari, who has proved a reliable ally to America in his first 15 months in office.
Zardari, however, is facing mounting political woes, and the CIA airstrikes are highly unpopular among the Pakistani public, because of concerns over national sovereignty and civilian casualties. If drone attacks now confined to small villages were to be mounted in a sizable city, the death rate of innocent bystanders would probably increase.
Obama has endorsed an expansion of CIA operations in the country, approving the deployment of more spies and resources in a clandestine counterpart to the 30,000 additional U.S. troops being sent into Afghanistan.
But the push to expand drone strikes underscores the limits of the Obama offensive. The administration has given itself 18 months to show evidence of a turnaround in Afghanistan. But progress in Pakistan depends almost entirely on drone strikes and prodding a sometimes reluctant ally, which provides much of the intelligence to conduct the strikes, to do more.
U.S. and Pakistani officials stressed that the United States has stopped short of issuing an ultimatum to Pakistan. "It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to use heavy-handed tactics when you've got this kind of relationship," said a U.S. counter-terrorism official. Like others, he discussed the issue on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.
Obama alluded to the effort to enlist more Pakistani help on the day his strategy was announced.
"The most important thing we can do in Pakistan is to change their strategic orientation," Obama said in a meeting with news columnists Dec. 1. The pursuit of Al Qaeda involves a range of activities, he said, "some of which I can't discuss."
As Obama deliberated over the strategy for Afghanistan through fall, administration officials consulted with Pakistan in high-level meetings in Islamabad, also using those sessions to pressure the government to do more.
Among those involved were Gen. James L. Jones, Obama's national security advisor; Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan; and Leon E. Panetta, director of the CIA.
"We have applied enormous pressure," the senior U.S. official said.
Pakistan is not expected to hand over Mullah Mohammed Omar, the Taliban leader and longtime ally of Osama bin Laden who fled Afghanistan when U.S. forces invaded after the Sept. 11 attacks. Omar is believed to have used Quetta as a base from which to orchestrate insurgent attacks in Afghanistan.
But U.S. officials said they have presented Pakistan with a list of Taliban lieutenants and argued that, with a U.S. pullout scheduled to begin in 18 months, the urgency of dismantling the so-called Quetta shura is greater than at any time in the 8-year-old war.
The senior Pakistani official bristled at the suggestion that Pakistan has been reluctant to target militants in Quetta, saying U.S. assertions about the city's role as a sanctuary have been exaggerated.
"We keep hearing that there is a shadow government in Quetta, but we have never been given actionable intelligence," the Pakistani official said.
Pakistan is prepared to pursue Taliban leaders, including Omar, even when the intelligence is imprecise, the official said. "Even if a compound 1 kilometer by 1 kilometer is identified, we will go find him." But, he added, "for the past two years we haven't heard anything more."
Pakistan has launched a series of military operations against Islamic militants over the last year. But those operations have been aimed primarily at Taliban factions accused of carrying out attacks in Pakistan, not the groups directing strikes on U.S. forces across the border.
The CIA has carried out dozens of Predator strikes in Pakistan's tribal belt over the last two years, relying extensively on information provided by informant networks run by Pakistan's spy service, Inter-Services Intelligence.
The campaign is credited with killing at least 10 senior Al Qaeda operatives since the pace of the strikes was accelerated in August 2008, but has enraged many Pakistanis because of civilian casualties.
The number of attacks has slowed in recent months. Possible causes include weather disruptions and difficulty finding targets as insurgents get better at eluding the Predator, and larger Reaper, drone patrols.
Of 48 attacks carried out this year, only six have taken place since the end of September, according to data compiled by the website The Long War Journal. The latest attack occurred Friday, in which a senior Al Qaeda operations planner named Saleh Somali is believed to have been killed.
The drone attacks have been confined to territories along Pakistan's northwestern border, regions essentially self-governed by Pashtun tribes. The province of Baluchistan, however, has a distinct ethnic identity and its own separatist movement. It is one of Pakistan's main provinces, and strikes against its main city, Quetta, would probably be seen as a violation of the nation's sovereignty.
A former senior CIA official said he and others were repeatedly rebuffed when proposing operations in Baluchistan or pushing Pakistan to target the Taliban in Quetta. "It wasn't easy to talk about," the official said. "The conversations didn't last a long time."
Pakistan is working with the CIA to coax certain Taliban lieutenants in Omar's fold to defect. U.S. officials said contacts have been handled primarily by the Saudi and Pakistani intelligence services. The results of the effort are unclear.
The CIA's main objective in Pakistan remains the hunt for Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates recently said that it had been "years" since any meaningful information had surfaced in that search.
