Pakistan fakes Babur missile test

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The issue is not if they made it. Most likely there is heavy contribution from Chinese. They will get some of these techs and will possess it. If its theirs or Chinese will not matter to us as long as they have it.

I am more worried about our progress on CM. With Nirbhay not coming well this is an area of concern.
 

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When Indians put the facts before you all became sober.

All you inflated air is leaked after making tall claims of nuclear patrols using french submarines. Now you agree that there are repercussion disclosing the name of the Submarine.

Licence: You know "tatti" about being able to licence produce French submarines. Your Navy wouldn't have spit on China for submarines if you could have been able to mass produced Augusta. Please stop being absurd.

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@sayareakd . I am not quite sure but but I think I have seen the second frame of the video of red colored Cruise Missile flight making land fall/crossing the beach before. Please dig it out if anyone of you have seen it before. I could be totally wrong.
To end this rubbing argument with you, may I remind you we are already using French Mirages for launching Ra'ad, our air launched nuclear cruise missile.
We been doing so for the last 10 years and French neither complained neither "broke ties with us" . So there.
I am not reading your useless angry comments anymore, so don't bother.
 

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I seriously enjoy How Indians start burning when ever Pakistan comes up with new missile or some other weapon.
 
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Looks like three different videos joined together

one is the launch which appears from under the water,

Then red color missile in mid flight.

Now notice the change in the size of missile, it has not been clearly caught in frame, it actually looked like attack helicopter shooting at the target. Pakistanis please explain this change of color and physical character of missile.
Your denial mode and How desperate are you Man. You people are really butthurt
 

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The issue is not if they made it. Most likely there is heavy contribution from Chinese. They will get some of these techs and will possess it. If its theirs or Chinese will not matter to us as long as they have it.

I am more worried about our progress on CM. With Nirbhay not coming well this is an area of concern.
Nirbhay is China specific.

Brahmos is sufficient enough to cover Pakistan. We have SLCM (Club-S) in both anti ship and land attack modes with 300 Km range.

Brahmos-III (SLCM) development is under way.

As far as using Nuclear tipped CM is concern then it makes no military sense as far as India's nuclear doctrine is concern. Pakistani bravado of using Nukes again India will have its day of reckoning as they will be surrounded and murdered in a knife fight.
 

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Your denial mode and How desperate are you Man. You people are really butthurt
Howdy Moulvi Saab.
I am reading this thread and thinking of Burnol shortage in a certain part of the world ;)
 

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Your denial mode and How desperate are you Man. You people are really butthurt
Denial doesn't mean desperation it can only mean either the person is benign or give no shit about it.

Only desperate person here is you who came from PDF to tease Indians, but ended up defending a suspicious Video seeking approval from Indians. Show some credible proof that it is same missile. We are open to accept.
 

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Looks like three different videos joined together

one is the launch which appears from under the water,

Then red color missile in mid flight.

Now notice the change in the size of missile, it has not been clearly caught in frame, it actually looked like attack helicopter shooting at the target. Pakistanis please explain this change of color and physical character of missile.
Babur land version has 16 second burnout time for booster motor. The video doesn't show whole 16 seconds and cuts out 2 second earlier into showing the missile crossing over from sea to land.
The apperant white color and disappearance of red color is due to sunlight reflection from missile surface.
 

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Your denial mode and How desperate are you Man. You people are really butthurt
We didnt change the color........ you huys can explain why it took them 10 days to post video, with color and size shift........:rofl:
 

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Pakistani ass is no fire.

They thought this time their propaganda is fool-proof and came here to celebrate but withing 3-4 post were put on defensive that the whole narrative changed.

An asshole at PDF who has codes of sea flight profile of this cruise missile sitting on his desktop for last 7 years got so frustrated that he started threatening to burn Indian poster's family ( answer given back at DFI).
 

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I seriously enjoy How Indians start burning when ever Pakistan comes up with new missile or some other weapon.
Aanyway don't forget to visit my corner of internet tomorrow, there will be a surprise.
There is something very obvious about this test nobody has noticed. Will be revealed tomorrow. ;)
 

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Babur land version has 16 second burnout time for booster motor. The video doesn't show whole 16 seconds and cuts out 2 second earlier into showing the missile crossing over from sea to land.
The apperant white color and disappearance of red color is due to sunlight reflection from missile surface.
You guys sure it is development flight? If it is you guys would have taken videos from all angles to make sure you can identify all aspect of flight in HD, to see all hardware is functioning normally.

Video taken looks amateurish, it didnt even show the missile in its original color, the very purpose of video which is to check the parameters is lost and the second purpose to use it as propaganda tool, looks like its ultimate aim.

Here comes the problem. It has 4 different angles, any way you put at it from first angle and last angle/target frame, it cannot turn out full light color.
 

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You guys sure it is development flight? If it is you guys would have taken videos from all angles to make sure you can identify all aspect of flight in HD, to see all hardware is functioning normally.

Video taken looks amateurish, it didnt even show the missile in its original color, the very purpose of video which is to check the parameters is lost and the second purpose to use it as propaganda tool, looks like its ultimate aim.

Here comes the problem. It has 4 different angles, any way you put at it from first angle and last angle/target frame, it cannot turn out full light color.
Those HD videos are not for public viewing.
For press releases ISPR always releases poor quality videos, it's normal ISPR procedure.

Color scheme for land version has white stripes on sides.
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So if the missile side is facing towards you, obviously you will see white not red.
From top it is red and that is visible when shown from a higher vantage point.
At the time of launch and before impact, obviously the missiles side will be facing the camera, that in conjunction with sunlight reflection shows the change of color you are having problem with.
Although the color scheme for submarine version can be altogether different. We will have to wait and see. More pics will eventually surface.
 

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In the video only at second angle at 0.11 and after missile turn dark, understandingly missile is going far away from camera angle. Now at third angle missile has turn complete or almost red. This shot is from chase plane, at beach. Frame 0.19 shows missile at land with missile becoming dark. Ok we take it light is the cause. Which make red color turn dark. In last angle where missile is not clear it only shows white or bright color thing.

Can Pakistanis put up NOTAM and place where it was tested so that we can find the location where it is tested and match it with video.

I have few doubts about the video.

As per PA news release it was from submarged mobile platform not submarine. Video shows some missile appears from water. Later on it appears they took old video and added to it. Then at the impact point it is not clear, if object it same. Video frame hardly captured it.

One thing for sure they have chosen bad color for testing. At least they cant see it clearly.
 

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I seriously enjoy How Indians start burning when ever Pakistan comes up with new missile or some other weapon.
I will give you an example of Pakistani butt hurt any thing you have done your media starts to compare padosi mulk or hamsaya mulk so who has an obsession
 

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Looks like three different videos joined together

one is the launch which appears from under the water,

Then red color missile in mid flight.

Now notice the change in the size of missile, it has not been clearly caught in frame, it actually looked like attack helicopter shooting at the target. Pakistanis please explain this change of color and physical character of missile.
Daal me kuch KAALAA hai.

Chinese subs visiting Pak, and then US sanction on Pakistani entities associated with the country’s missile programme in accordance with the Export Administration Regulations (EAR).

Its pretty clear Chinese just handed them one to sate everyone's inferiority complex there.

It was already hard to believe that the Pakis could hardly test the system less than 10 times before calling it operational, and LOL they inducted it after like 1 test alone.

Cruise missile are not like your everyday linear missiles, they are virtually aircrafts and need a ton of work.
That has always been true and suddenly Pakis can circumvent all that time and effort to surpass the likes of Russia and US(the progenitor of the successful modern cruise missile).
 
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it was a chinese sub just conducting a reguler user tests.....could be the part of the training for the new subs which pakistan getting from china......
 
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