Pakistan 'expanding nuclear arsenal to deter US attack'

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There is no evidence that Pakistan or India would have 35kt warheads small enough to be fitted on cruise missiles, and let's not forget that both countries exaggerated their test yields back in 1998.


Pakistani and Indian media claims about their nuclear capabilities = Garbage in, garbage out.
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plzz search about nasr missile

we are into sub kt warheads now..smallest warhead developed in the history of nuclear warfare
 

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There is no evidence that Pakistan or India would have 35kt warheads small enough to be fitted on cruise missiles, and let's not forget that both countries exaggerated their test yields back in 1998.

India has a far more advanced nuke program than you think.

Indian deterrent is based on a 250-300kt warhead which will be MIRVd on the Agni V.

You are entitled to your opinion though.
 

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brother

plzz search about nasr missile

we are into sub kt warheads now..smallest warhead developed in the history of nuclear warfare
developed or given is debatable. anyhow what ever u have developed in the history is nothing to be proud of
 

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India has a far more advanced nuke program than you think.

Indian deterrent is based on a 250-300kt warhead which will be MIRVd on the Agni V.

You are entitled to your opinion though.
Same question as I asked from the Pakistani here.... where is the evidence for these claims? Last time when India tested thermonuclear device (not weaponized design) it failed. Remember when it was claimed back 2007 that Agni 3 will be MIRV'd in a few years.. did that happen? Nope.

There is a lot of talk coming from India and Pakistan, but very little (if any) evidence to support these claims.
 

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Same question as I asked from the Pakistani here.... where is the evidence for these claims? Last time when India tested thermonuclear device (not weaponized design) it failed. Remember when it was claimed back 2007 that Agni 3 will be MIRV'd in a few years.. did that happen? Nope.

There is a lot of talk coming from India and Pakistan, but very little (if any) evidence to support these claims.
being a well wisher
i will try to add slightly more knowledge into your already good enough knowledge about indian nuclear program

there you go.words of a nuclear scientist,a key role in the indian nuclear program

NEW DELHI: The 1998 Pokhran II nuclear tests might have been far from the success they have been claimed to be. The yield of the thermonuclear explosions was actually much below expectations and the tests were perhaps more a fizzle rather than a big bang

The test was said to have yielded 45 kilotons (KT) but was challenged by western experts who said it was not more than 20 KT.
Pokhran II not fully successful: Scientist - Times Of India
 

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Same question as I asked from the Pakistani here.... where is the evidence for these claims? Last time when India tested thermonuclear device (not weaponized design) it failed. Remember when it was claimed back 2007 that Agni 3 will be MIRV'd in a few years.. did that happen? Nope.

There is a lot of talk coming from India and Pakistan, but very little (if any) evidence to support these claims.
Intended leak or good up, the yield of the warhead was put at 250 KT after the Agni V test.

You can claim that Indian tests were a failure. Indian data shows otherwise including what our EX Prez who was leading the test in 98 has to say. India tested a device which was suppressed as the area around the test site is populated. India does not have vast uninhabited landmass nor does India hold any "crown colonies" that we can blow up without bothering about locals and it's environment. India kept the test down to 45kt. Scalable to 250kt.
BTW Shantaraman is a plant from India to make sure pressure is exerted on Indian govt to never sign the CTBT and also force another round of tests in the future.
 

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Intended leak or good up, the yield of the warhead was put at 250 KT after the Agni V test.

You can claim that Indian tests were a failure. Indian data shows otherwise including what our EX Prez who was leading the test in 98 has to say. India tested a device which was suppressed as the area around the test site is populated. India does not have vast uninhabited landmass nor does India hold any "crown colonies" that we can blow up without bothering about locals and it's environment. India kept the test down to 45kt. Scalable to 250kt.
BTW Shantaraman is a plant from India to make sure pressure is exerted on Indian govt to never sign the CTBT and also force another round of tests in the future.



How about less nationalism and more realism?
The consensus among outside seismic experts is that the yields of most Indian tests are overstated (particularly Pokhran-I or "Smiling Buddha" and Shakti-I), and that the very existence of Shakti IV-V is in question. Interestingly, the case with the Pakistani tests (conducted in a far different geological environment) is similar - claimed yields do not match the seismic evidence. No well-founded explanation is available for such a consistent pattern of deception by both India and Pakistan .
What Are the Real Yields of India's Tests?
 

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How about less nationalism and more realism?

What Are the Real Yields of India's Tests?
I really don't want to get into this again. A lot has been said. Indian scientists gave the reasons why western detection was less than Indian data.

And as a good colonel told me elsewhere, even a failed test is a good test as it gives valuable data. 30kt, 40 kt or whatever, india did explode the bombs, got data, will use it for simulations. India will nt make ICBMs using fission base 20kt warheads.

And yes next round of tests will come once India gets to a $4-5 trillion economy.
 

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I really don't want to get into this again. A lot has been said. Indian scientists gave the reasons why western detection was less than Indian data.

And as a good colonel told me elsewhere, even a failed test is a good test as it gives valuable data. 30kt, 40 kt or whatever, india did explode the bombs, got data, will use it for simulations. India will nt make ICBMs using fission base 20kt warheads.

And yes next round of tests will come once India gets to a $4-5 trillion economy.
It's very likely Agni V is carrying warhead with yield less than 50kt. Of course hardcore nationalist are not going to like it, but there zero evidence for these claims about 300kt warheads. Next tests? You just told that 1998 test were good enough to make miniaturized warheads... I guess even you know back in your mind that such claims are not true.

Indians and Pakistanis just have to live with the fact that they can't never have yield-to-weight ratio good as P5 countries.
 

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Indians and Pakistanis just have to live with the fact that they can't never have yield-to-weight ratio good as P5 countries.
That's good isn't it? The P5 should not have to worry about Indian nuclear arsenal atleast.
 

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It's very likely Agni V is carrying warhead with yield less than 50kt. Of course hardcore nationalist are not going to like it, but there zero evidence for these claims about 300kt warheads. Next tests? You just told that 1998 test were good enough to make miniaturized warheads... I guess even you know back in your mind that such claims are not true.

Indians and Pakistanis just have to live with the fact that they can't never have yield-to-weight ratio good as P5 countries.
well i think beleiving the indian nuclear scientist is more good than some forum member

about PAKISTAN

we are onto megatons nukes project.


In Court Papers, U.S. Openly Suggests Pakistan Interested in Thermonuclear Weapon - NationalJournal.com
 

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It's very likely Agni V is carrying warhead with yield less than 50kt. Of course hardcore nationalist are not going to like it, but there zero evidence for these claims about 300kt warheads. Next tests? You just told that 1998 test were good enough to make miniaturized warheads... I guess even you know back in your mind that such claims are not true.

Indians and Pakistanis just have to live with the fact that they can't never have yield-to-weight ratio good as P5 countries.
There is nothing about being hardcore nationalist. It's about believing your counties us too scientists and office holders. I am going to trust APJ Abdul Kalam than others. If there was anything wrong, he would have called it.

And no the next round of tests has nothing to do with not trusting the 98 tests but to validate what we have done since. Well that is if the situation is ok to test. One way to ensure that is to be a very powerful economy.

And yes can you give us some land in Finland so that we can conduct a full yield test? India is a big country with an even bigger population and we don't have any free land where we can do a full yield test without hurting our own population.
 

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That's good isn't it? The P5 should not have to worry about Indian nuclear arsenal atleast.
Correct, but ultra-nationalist are never going to happy about that. They wan't their countries to have ICBM's with range over 15,000km and warhead with 100MT yield...
 

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well i think beleiving the indian nuclear scientist is more good than some forum member

about PAKISTAN

we are onto megatons nukes project.


In Court Papers, U.S. Openly Suggests Pakistan Interested in Thermonuclear Weapon - NationalJournal.com
Perhaps you should read this again.
What Are the Real Yields of India's Tests?

Btw, your link says quite clearly that "Pakistan Interested in Thermonuclear Weapon" that does not mean Pakistan is capable of actually building one. I have interest to have sex with Emma Watson, but that does not mean it's going to actually happen...
 
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There is nothing about being hardcore nationalist. It's about believing your counties us too scientists and office holders. I am going to trust APJ Abdul Kalam than others. If there was anything wrong, he would have called it.
No one in Pakistan or India has been able to explain why seismic data tells different story than their claims about test yields. Too much national pride in the game I assume...
 

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Perhaps you should read this again.
What Are the Real Yields of India's Tests?

Btw, your link says quite clearly that "Pakistan Interested in Thermonuclear Weapon" that does not mean Pakistan is capable of actually building one. I have interest to have sex with Emma Watson, but that does not mean it's going to actually happen...
well sir you just dnt know how much obssesd pak is with nukes
we spend more than 2 billions on our nuclear program each year.

its been 50 years we are dealing with this.we have recently discovered thousand tonnes uranium reserves

though in pak everything related to nuclear program is kept very classified

Jeffrey Lewis • Pakistan’s Nuclear Artillery?
 

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its been 50 years we are dealing with this.we have recently discovered thousand tonnes uranium reserves

Jeffrey Lewis "¢ Pakistan's Nuclear Artillery?
:rofl::rofl: Lying again, Pakis never fails to amuse me.

I dont get it, how can a 3 world poor nation Like Pakistan can spend something like $2 Billion Dollar which is 1% of their GDP on maintaining their Arsenal.
The real enemy of Pakistan is Punjab Taliban and Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan against whom the Martial Pakistan Army is loosing shamelessly, those rag-tag hoodies are killing more Martial Pak Army Jawan's supported by Tanks, Air-Support, Surveillance assets, better logistics and Allah :lol:, i can assume what Indian Army will do to them if ever a War is foisted on us :nod:.
 

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