Pakistan enters contract with Turkey to manufacture Attack Helicopters T-129

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Pakistan ‘Still In Line’ To Acquire Deadly T-129 ATAK Helicopters From Turkey – Reports
The Pakistani Army’s long wait for attack helicopters could soon be over as reports indicate that Islamabad might be inching closer to a deal of T-129 ATAK with close ally Turkey.

According to an official of the Pakistan Army, the Turkish-built T-129 ATAK helicopter is still on their shopping list and “very much under consideration”.

Speaking at the Defence IQ’s virtual International Military Helicopter 2021 conference on February 24, the official said that “the contract is a bit delayed because of certain third-party approvals”. Notably, the deal, which was originally signed in July 2018 for about $1.5 billion, had hit a major roadblock after the United States halted the export of the helicopter’s engines.

The ATAK T-129 helicopter is powered by two T800-4A engines manufactured by LHTEC, a joint venture between the American firm Honeywell and the British company Rolls-Royce. The US is reportedly holding up export clearance for the LHTEC engine.

It was reported that Washington has put a halt to major deals for Turkey including the F-35s, F-16 upgrade kits, and the T-129 engine as a “punishment” for Ankara’s decision to go ahead with the Russian S-400 Triumf purchase.

Following this, Turkey was given a one-year extension by Pakistan to materialize with the engine acquisition, while also eyeing the Chinese Z-10 attack helicopters in case the T-129 deal falls through.

Ismail Demir, Undersecretary for Defence Industry of Turkey, had said on January 6, 2020, “Pakistan has agreed to give us another year (to deliver the helicopters). We hope we will be able to develop our indigenous engine soon to power the T129. After one year, Pakistan may be satisfied with the level of progress in our engine program, or the US may grant us the export license.”

In August 2020, Ankara had reportedly hired a Washington-based firm to lobby for its export license interests. “Concerned by the continued delay of the sale to Pakistan, previously unreported filings required by the U.S. Foreign Agents Registration Act show that Turkish Aerospace Industries-TAI (which manufactures the ATAK helicopter) hired US law firms, Greenberg Traurig LLP and its lobbying sub-contractor Capital Counsel LLC, to lobby the relevant congressional leaders and the White House to secure the requisite export licenses,” said a Turkish media report.

In April 2015, the US State Department had approved possible Foreign Military Sales (FMS) to Pakistan for 15 AH-1Z Vipers with Hellfire missiles, associated equipment and support worth up to $952 million. Pakistan was to receive 9 AH-1Z helicopters by September 2018.


As of July 2018, Pakistan’s order has been placed on hold, due to political tensions between Washington and Islamabad, allegedly over Indian concerns. Of the order of 12 aircraft, nine have been built but are stored at the 309th AMARG base in Arizona, awaiting a solution to the friction between the two countries.

Pakistan then looked to procuring the T-129 ATAK attack helicopters from Turkey when it lost hopes from the United States. “We are still looking forward to accomplishing the contract with the Turkish government,” the Pakistani official said at the event.

The TAI/AgustaWestland T129 ATAK is a twin-engine, tandem seat, multi-role, all-weather attack helicopter based on the Agusta A129 Mangusta platform. The T129 was developed by Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) with partner AgustaWestland, for advanced attack and reconnaissance missions in hot and high environments and rough geography in both day and night conditions.

The ATAK program was begun to meet the Turkish Armed Forces’ requirements for an attack and tactical reconnaissance helicopter. The T129 is the result of the integration of Turkish-developed avionics, airframe modifications, and weapon systems into the AgustaWestland A129 airframe, with upgraded engines, transmission and rotor blades.

It is being used by the Turkish Army and is being offered to other services as well. Similar to the Pakistan deal, the Philippines had also been eyeing the helicopter, but no orders have been made due to the engine export permit issues.
 

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Ismail Demir, Undersecretary for Defence Industry of Turkey, had said on January 6, 2020, “Pakistan has agreed to give us another year (to deliver the helicopters). We hope we will be able to develop our indigenous engine soon to power the T129. After one year, Pakistan may be satisfied with the level of progress in our engine program, or the US may grant us the export license.”
So turkey has no engine just a program to keep porkys on hook while they wait for usa to forgive erdogon and grant export license to old engine.

Lmao Islam doing taqia to Islam. Lol.
 

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So turkey has no engine just a program to keep porkys on hook while they wait for usa to forgive erdogon and grant export license to old engine.

Lmao Islam doing taqia to Islam. Lol.
I think porkies took a gamble of Dems coming to power and be more kinder to them, porkies jump at the prospect of getting western tech (wont blame them).

On the long run though, pakis wants a better tie with Turkey as its the only way they can get hands on western tech and also supporting Turkish MIC will give them options.

Although pakis becoming Chinese colony is inevitable no matter how many backroom deals they try to make.
 

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So turkey has no engine just a program to keep porkys on hook while they wait for usa to forgive erdogon and grant export license to old engine.

Lmao Islam doing taqia to Islam. Lol.
The indigenous engine which turks are talking about is actually being developed by JV between GE and TAI.
 

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Pakistan ‘Still In Line’ To Acquire Deadly T-129 ATAK Helicopters From Turkey – Reports
The Pakistani Army’s long wait for attack helicopters could soon be over as reports indicate that Islamabad might be inching closer to a deal of T-129 ATAK with close ally Turkey.

According to an official of the Pakistan Army, the Turkish-built T-129 ATAK helicopter is still on their shopping list and “very much under consideration”.

Speaking at the Defence IQ’s virtual International Military Helicopter 2021 conference on February 24, the official said that “the contract is a bit delayed because of certain third-party approvals”. Notably, the deal, which was originally signed in July 2018 for about $1.5 billion, had hit a major roadblock after the United States halted the export of the helicopter’s engines.

The ATAK T-129 helicopter is powered by two T800-4A engines manufactured by LHTEC, a joint venture between the American firm Honeywell and the British company Rolls-Royce. The US is reportedly holding up export clearance for the LHTEC engine.

It was reported that Washington has put a halt to major deals for Turkey including the F-35s, F-16 upgrade kits, and the T-129 engine as a “punishment” for Ankara’s decision to go ahead with the Russian S-400 Triumf purchase.

Following this, Turkey was given a one-year extension by Pakistan to materialize with the engine acquisition, while also eyeing the Chinese Z-10 attack helicopters in case the T-129 deal falls through.

Ismail Demir, Undersecretary for Defence Industry of Turkey, had said on January 6, 2020, “Pakistan has agreed to give us another year (to deliver the helicopters). We hope we will be able to develop our indigenous engine soon to power the T129. After one year, Pakistan may be satisfied with the level of progress in our engine program, or the US may grant us the export license.”

In August 2020, Ankara had reportedly hired a Washington-based firm to lobby for its export license interests. “Concerned by the continued delay of the sale to Pakistan, previously unreported filings required by the U.S. Foreign Agents Registration Act show that Turkish Aerospace Industries-TAI (which manufactures the ATAK helicopter) hired US law firms, Greenberg Traurig LLP and its lobbying sub-contractor Capital Counsel LLC, to lobby the relevant congressional leaders and the White House to secure the requisite export licenses,” said a Turkish media report.

In April 2015, the US State Department had approved possible Foreign Military Sales (FMS) to Pakistan for 15 AH-1Z Vipers with Hellfire missiles, associated equipment and support worth up to $952 million. Pakistan was to receive 9 AH-1Z helicopters by September 2018.


As of July 2018, Pakistan’s order has been placed on hold, due to political tensions between Washington and Islamabad, allegedly over Indian concerns. Of the order of 12 aircraft, nine have been built but are stored at the 309th AMARG base in Arizona, awaiting a solution to the friction between the two countries.

Pakistan then looked to procuring the T-129 ATAK attack helicopters from Turkey when it lost hopes from the United States. “We are still looking forward to accomplishing the contract with the Turkish government,” the Pakistani official said at the event.

The TAI/AgustaWestland T129 ATAK is a twin-engine, tandem seat, multi-role, all-weather attack helicopter based on the Agusta A129 Mangusta platform. The T129 was developed by Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) with partner AgustaWestland, for advanced attack and reconnaissance missions in hot and high environments and rough geography in both day and night conditions.

The ATAK program was begun to meet the Turkish Armed Forces’ requirements for an attack and tactical reconnaissance helicopter. The T129 is the result of the integration of Turkish-developed avionics, airframe modifications, and weapon systems into the AgustaWestland A129 airframe, with upgraded engines, transmission and rotor blades.

It is being used by the Turkish Army and is being offered to other services as well. Similar to the Pakistan deal, the Philippines had also been eyeing the helicopter, but no orders have been made due to the engine export permit issues.
Are these helos coming free or is somebody paying for these. Pakistan has no money. It is all bankrupt. Only a month back it’s airlines plane was seized in Malaysia. A good measure for Turkey is to get its money first.
 

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US blocks Turkey's 30 locally-made attack helicopter sale to Pakistan
The United States has prevented Turkey from supplying 30 locally made attack helicopters to Pakistan, Turkish Presidential spokesperson Ibrahim Kalin said.

During a briefing on Monday, Kalin noted that the US blocked Turkey's helicopter sale to Pakistan, which will likely lead to Islamabad buying it from China and cause more detriment to Washington down the line, Daily Sabah reported.

The ATAK-12 is a twin-engine, tandem seat, multi-role, all-weather attack helicopter based on the Agusta A129 Mangusta platform and is equipped with American engines, according to Dawn.

The US is holding up export clearance for the LHTEC engine. Turkey and Pakistan signed a USD 1.5 billion deal for the Turkish-made helicopter gunships in July 2018. But the delivery date was pushed back after the Pentagon refused to issue the Turkish company an export license for the engines, Dawn reported.

United States' blockade comes as the impact of US sanctions on Turkey, triggered by Ankara's decision to buy S-400 missiles from Russia. The United States announced the first blockade in July 2019, days before a meeting between the former US president, Donald Trump, and Prime Minister Imran Khan in Washington.

In January 2020, the head of Turkey's Defence Industries (SSB) said that Ankara and Islamabad had extended the delivery deal by another year to ensure a smooth delivery. The agreement gives Pakistan the option to buy the Chinese Z-10 helicopters should the Turkish deal not materialise.

Reports in the Turkish media said that the Turkish-built T-129 ATAK helicopter was still on the Pakistan Army shopping list.

In August 2020, Turkey hired a Washington law firm to lobby with the US administration and Congress for securing an export licence, which will help complete its biggest-ever defence deal with Pakistan.

The latest blockade, however, is likely to force the two allies to cancel the deal, persuading Islamabad to look for other options. US officials in Washington were contacted for comments on the announcement made in Ankara but did not respond, Dawn reported.
 

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US blocks Turkey's 30 locally-made attack helicopter sale to Pakistan
The United States has prevented Turkey from supplying 30 locally made attack helicopters to Pakistan, Turkish Presidential spokesperson Ibrahim Kalin said.

During a briefing on Monday, Kalin noted that the US blocked Turkey's helicopter sale to Pakistan, which will likely lead to Islamabad buying it from China and cause more detriment to Washington down the line, Daily Sabah reported.

The ATAK-12 is a twin-engine, tandem seat, multi-role, all-weather attack helicopter based on the Agusta A129 Mangusta platform and is equipped with American engines, according to Dawn.

The US is holding up export clearance for the LHTEC engine. Turkey and Pakistan signed a USD 1.5 billion deal for the Turkish-made helicopter gunships in July 2018. But the delivery date was pushed back after the Pentagon refused to issue the Turkish company an export license for the engines, Dawn reported.

United States' blockade comes as the impact of US sanctions on Turkey, triggered by Ankara's decision to buy S-400 missiles from Russia. The United States announced the first blockade in July 2019, days before a meeting between the former US president, Donald Trump, and Prime Minister Imran Khan in Washington.

In January 2020, the head of Turkey's Defence Industries (SSB) said that Ankara and Islamabad had extended the delivery deal by another year to ensure a smooth delivery. The agreement gives Pakistan the option to buy the Chinese Z-10 helicopters should the Turkish deal not materialise.

Reports in the Turkish media said that the Turkish-built T-129 ATAK helicopter was still on the Pakistan Army shopping list.

In August 2020, Turkey hired a Washington law firm to lobby with the US administration and Congress for securing an export licence, which will help complete its biggest-ever defence deal with Pakistan.

The latest blockade, however, is likely to force the two allies to cancel the deal, persuading Islamabad to look for other options. US officials in Washington were contacted for comments on the announcement made in Ankara but did not respond, Dawn reported.
It is all over for both Turkey and Pakistan.
 

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One has to wonder how much [email protected] chinese helis must be that pak has to give extension after extension to the turks to sort out their heli .
 

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Turkey First Indigenous Helicopter Engine to be Ready for Integration This Year
Turkey's first indigenous helicopter engine, that will power the T-625 Gökbey utility helicopter and the ATAK combat chopper will be delivered to Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) for integration this year.

“Core of the T-625 helicopter’s engine was tested at TAI,” Mustafa Varank, Industry and Technology Minister, was quoted as saying by Anadolu Ageny Friday.

Gökbey's engine will be delivered to TAI this year, Varank said, adding, "They will start working on the integration of the engine to be used in Gökbey after this delivery."

In September 2018, T-625 rotorcraft powered by two CTS-800-4A turboshaft engines made its maiden flight. Certification trials of the T-625 began last October. Deliveries are scheduled to begin next year.

The T129 ATAK gunship, built by TAI under license from the Italian-British company AgustaWestland, also uses the CTS-800-4A engine.

Earlier, it was equipped with two LHTEC T800-4As built by Light Helicopter Turbine Engine Company (LHTEC), a joint venture between Rolls-Royce and Honeywell. Each engine can produce 1,014 kilowatts of output power. The T800-4A is an export version of the CTS800 engine, which Turkey selected to power Turkish Light Utility Helicopter (TLUH) in 2015.

The US is said to be holding up export permits for the LHTEC T800-4A citing the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) regulatory regime.

Pakistan ordered 30 T129s for $1.5 billion in 2018. Deliveries were being hit due to non-availability of LHTEC engines. “Apparently we shall need US export licenses to go ahead with the T129 deal (with Pakistan). This is not a technological or financial matter but is purely political at the moment,” a senior procurement official told DefenseNews in 2018.

“This is a commercial deal with a country that has friendly relations with America. Why should the Americans punish Pakistan for their disagreements with Turkey?” a Turkish defense official was quoted as saying by the report.

Ismail Demir, Turkey’s President of Defense Industries (SSB), stated on January 6 that the Pakistan Army extended its delivery timeline for the T129 attack helicopter by one year.

Development of the Turkish TS1400 turboshaft engine began in February 2017, and according Quwa, it was slated for induction and serial production by 2025.

“The pressing need to retire its fleet of old 48 Bell AH-1Fs, is now pushing Islamabad to consider alternatives,” Major General Syed Najeeb Ahmed, commander, army aviation, told Defence IQ’s International Military Helicopter conference in London on 26 February.

“We are looking at other options. One of them is in China in the shape of the new attack helicopter they have created called the Z-10ME,” he said. Islamabad is said to have evaluated an earlier version of the CAIC Z-10.

With the domestic CTS-800-4A powering both T129 and T625 almost ready, the deal appears to be back on track.

In December 2019, Filipino Defense Secretary Lorenzana announced that the Air Force was mulling ATAK T129 purchase. Their budget for attack helicopters (estimated at $250 million) could afford eight to 10 units of the aircraft. A memorandum of understanding (MoU) had been singed to pursue negotiations. However, there has been no development since the MoU.
 

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