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What if Pakistan offers its land for invasion of Iran by US/Saudi in exchange for 100 billion dollars plus modern weapons? Will american administration prefer it overlooking India's objections? Does China has any leverage over Pakistan if they decide to switch sides overnight?
Then it may survive another decade.
It's like a prostitute which can earn money again and again by prostituting. But it doesn't know how to save and invest . So no matter how much it earns it remains perennially poor and hence has to prostitute again. But one day the show stops.



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#BREAKING: International Monetary Fund to bailout Pakistan from worst economic crisis. IMF Reaches Staff-Level Agreement on Economic Policies with Pakistan for a Three-Year Extended Fund Facility.

Most Important part of the IMF statement is towards the end where it expects Pakistan to continue anti-money laundering & combating the financing of terrorism efforts. Meanwhile, FATF meeting soon to decide on blacklisting of Pakistan for lack of action against terror financing.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/TeamAMCA/photos/?ref=page_internal
 

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#BREAKING: International Monetary Fund to bailout Pakistan from worst economic crisis. IMF Reaches Staff-Level Agreement on Economic Policies with Pakistan for a Three-Year Extended Fund Facility.

Most Important part of the IMF statement is towards the end where it expects Pakistan to continue anti-money laundering & combating the financing of terrorism efforts. Meanwhile, FATF meeting soon to decide on blacklisting of Pakistan for lack of action against terror financing.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/TeamAMCA/photos/?ref=page_internal
Lol does anyone remember earlier this year- I think it was the same week as the visit from MBS and the Saudi bailout- that the IMF started stipulating on the terms of their own injections into the Pakistani economy? Namely that Pakistan shall not use those funds as a means for reimbursing Chinese debt financing?

Pakistan's economic mess of debt cycles and trapping is a case study for all global elite business schools. What an idiotic country.
 

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What if Pakistan offers its land for invasion of Iran by US/Saudi in exchange for 100 billion dollars plus modern weapons? Will american administration prefer it overlooking India's objections? Does China has any leverage over Pakistan if they decide to switch sides overnight?
One call from MBS will be sufficient for slave porkies to give out their bases to US and Saudi allied forces to attack Iran. There won't be any need of payment. But in the event of an attack, which is highly unlikely, US will use UAE and Kuwait bases for air attacks. I don't think US will use their army for dirty work any more, land based attack will be done by Saudi forces. Pakis will be forced to send their ill fed personal for helping out Mbs.
 

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#BREAKING: International Monetary Fund to bailout Pakistan from worst economic crisis. IMF Reaches Staff-Level Agreement on Economic Policies with Pakistan for a Three-Year Extended Fund Facility.

Most Important part of the IMF statement is towards the end where it expects Pakistan to continue anti-money laundering & combating the financing of terrorism efforts. Meanwhile, FATF meeting soon to decide on blacklisting of Pakistan for lack of action against terror financing.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/TeamAMCA/photos/?ref=page_internal

how much does pak has to pay back IMF previous loans & interests ?
 

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Is pakis being used against afganistan ? iran ? what is it ?

both ? none ?

After and also around the same time to pulwama the iranians were hit also. It is said they attacked in baluchistan. The visit of paki pm also made some statements and noises. Now the Sunnis and others are ganging up on Iran - what is Pakis going to do? Pakis have the islamic nuke supposedly they announce to world.

Will Pakis remember the "soft" and "mildness" of iran response.

Will Pakis in their excitement say they are supporting Israel - when any inch towards west is otherwise.

Iran is going to be awakened in many ways and its truth about Pakis will be shown up on their faces.

Will pakis acknowledge they have and make fear into PRC, west, Israel and others. Hence the use and offer of loans and funds.

The sri lanks adventure is saying any place the Islamic population need help they will be supported. In what scales are such similar populations - USA, Europe, Israel ...

Pakis after Pulwama are on a trip they will regret and whoever is supporting them ...
 

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Pakistan grows enough food so far. If its population goes past 30 crore, then it will start to see scarcity
No. They already import a lot of food. Ranging from Tomatoes (tauba-tauba), potatoes to oil, spices, to curd, butter, beef, mutton, egg, etc.

Pakistan's agri output will not plummet because most of the lands are owned by rich punjabi chowdarys and they have large land holdings..
Exactly the reason that it will fall. These Chaudharys & Wadheras are absentee landlords for the most part.

They give the land to tenants & collect the lagaan. The poor tenants obviously are unable to invest in improving productivity for the same reasons. Compare the agricultural productivity as e explained here.

https://www.kleffmann.com/en/kleffm...pshot-of-the-pakistan-and-indian-agriculture/
The reason for Pakistan's breakup will ultimately have to be theological.
I would like to know the theological causes behind PTM. And what are the theological reasons for say, BLA?
 

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No. They already import a lot of food. Ranging from Tomatoes (tauba-tauba), potatoes to oil, spices, to curd, butter, beef, mutton, egg, etc.
Most poor just eat roti-dal. Unless the cereal production is hit, they can't starve

Exactly the reason that it will fall. These Chaudharys & Wadheras are absentee landlords for the most part.

They give the land to tenants & collect the lagaan. The poor tenants obviously are unable to invest in improving productivity for the same reasons. Compare the agricultural productivity as e explained here.
Pakistan food productivity is reasonable for water availability.
I would like to know the theological causes behind PTM. And what are the theological reasons for say, BLA?
That is why they are not succeeding. In fact, though there is Afghani PTM causing trouble, the Taliban of Afghanistan is working with Pakistan. Balochistan liberation army is more or less guerilla in nature and not popular enough to win election or cause split.
 

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No. They already import a lot of food. Ranging from Tomatoes (tauba-tauba), potatoes to oil, spices, to curd, butter, beef, mutton, egg, etc.


Exactly the reason that it will fall. These Chaudharys & Wadheras are absentee landlords for the most part.

They give the land to tenants & collect the lagaan. The poor tenants obviously are unable to invest in improving productivity for the same reasons. Compare the agricultural productivity as e explained here.

https://www.kleffmann.com/en/kleffm...pshot-of-the-pakistan-and-indian-agriculture/

I would like to know the theological causes behind PTM. And what are the theological reasons for say, BLA?
BLA are Shias from Sistan. PTM and Taliban follows 'Deobandi' branch of Islam. Pro-pak ethnic Punjabi terror outfits like L-e-T are from 'Alhe Hadis' branch of Islam. Lashkar-e-janghvi group belongs to 'Barelvi' group of Islam. A large % of Sindhi Muslims are from the 'Hanafi' sect ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theba_(Sindhi_tribe) )
 

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when was the last time there was a systematic failure which led to people dying of hunger?
it used to happen in BIMARU states up until 90's, hasn't happened post 2000.
I am from the Ganga plain.

As the most fertile plain in the world it is unlikely that people have ever died of starvation in the "BIMARU" states. (Barring WWII era Bengal famine but then rice came from Burma and was diverted for the WWII effort)
 
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Pakistani rupee has slipped to 150 to the Dollar.

Pakistani stock market collapsed 10,000 points in 6 months, from 44k straight to 34k.

View attachment 35042

P/E Ratio of Pakistan's stock exchange is 8.4 and still getting cheaper.

FAK!
Paki economy is in complete meltdown...

PKR from 141 to 150 in 48 hours. Stock market 950 points drop in one day.
:daru:
 

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why would IMF and the west show approval for and to pakis of loan at such a late stage and cause such disharmony and disturbance thereafter.

is it perhaps a manner to show they are not kicking the pakis while they are about to be decimated and lying on the floor.

it is perhaps a manner to say to pakis - please do not look this way with your suicide vest(s) - and close their eyes that they look elsewhere - but where is the question - it is clear the pakis appendage is only and fully facing west.
 

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https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/470969-clearance-from-fatf-must-for-imf-loan-dr-pasha

Clearance from FATF must for IMF loan: Dr Pasha

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ISLAMABAD: Dr Hafeez Pasha, Pakistan’s one of the distinguished economists and former finance minister, has said that the IMF press release following the staff level agreement on $6 billion loan programme with Pakistan, has indicated that the Executive Board of IMF will approve the loan only after the FATF clears Pakistan from anti-money laundering and terror financing charges.

Speaking his mind over the staff level agreement with IMF, Pasha mentioned a specific reference in the IMF press release, which has asked the government of Pakistan to show commitment against money laundering and terror financing, meaning thereby that FATF clearance is mandatory to qualify for the programme.


The Financial Action Task Force (FATF) is scheduled to be held in Beijing from May 15 to May 17 and will minutely examine Pakistan’s compliance report on total 19 points, including risk assessment to currency smuggling for money-laundering and terror-financing through cash couriers. The executive board of the Fund, where US is the major shareholder of the total fund which is 16.52 per cent and has the voting power of 831,407, will go through the staff level agreement with Pakistan and will give their final nod. The Executive Board will approve the loan after keeping in view the FATF report about Pakistan on money-laundering and terror-financing conditions of the Fund that the government of Pakistan has accepted.

The DNA of IMF is quite different this time from the past as the US, NATO forces and India who are out to use the tools of FATF and IMF to tame Pakistan and more importantly force Pakistan to ensure the smooth exist of US forces from Afghanistan.

Coming to the loan programme of $6 billion that Pakistan will have 39 months from IMF, Dr Pasha argued in the first three months Pakistan will be groping in the dark and will have no tranche after the agreement as the tranches will start after three months provided Pakistan fulfills all the prior actions. He further said it is basically not $6 billion loan, instead it is $3 billion as Pakistan has to pay back to IMF $3 billion loan in next three years. The amount is meager and is not enough to help Pakistan bridge the financing gap. Astonishingly the Fund is not ready to roll over its loan, but it has asked Pakistan in the press release to ask its international development partners to rollover their loans.

Dr Pasha said the IMF has basically asked Pakistan to have commitment from China, Saudi Arabia and UAE to rollover their loans to Pakistan. He said on one hand the IMF is not willing to rollover its loan, but on the other hand it is asking Pakistan to arrange breathing space to cope with the financing gap from the said countries by arranging the rollover.

Dr Pasha said this is one of the prior actions which Pakistan has to complete prior to qualify for approval of loan programme from the Executive Board of IMF. He said China’s loan stands at about $19 billion mainly in project financing and $7 billion are from Chinese commercial banks and $4 billion are parked in the reserves. Saudi Arabia has given Pakistan $3 billion and UAE $2 billion. The Fund wants the rollover of these loans. It is quite strange that IMF is not willing that Pakistan owns the said loan which is against the international norms and practices.

More importantly in the press release, the IMF asked the government to balance the NFC award between federation and provinces which is tantamount to breach of the Constitution of Pakistan. He said after the 18th Amendment the share of provinces in the NFC Award cannot be reduced.

The most alarming thing mentioned in the press release, he said, is that Pakistan government is bound to bring down the primary budget deficit to 0.6 per cent in next budgetary year from over 2 per cent. ‘This simply means that IMF has asked Pakistan to place cut on the defense budget which is not possible as our forces are engaged on both the eastern and the western borders of the country.’

Pasha explained the primary deficit means total revenue less non-interest expenditure. This means that Pakistan will have no option but to place huge cut on defense budget. The IMF wants Pakistan government to ensure the primary budget surplus of 2.5 per cent by reducing the defense budget and keeps central bank away from the exchange rate leaving it to the market forces.

Meanwhile, Arif Habib Limited Research on expected features of IMF programme worked out that in the wake of free float of exchange rate, US dollar will appreciate to Rs147 by June 2019 that will further increase to Rs152 by December this year. This will yield additional devaluation of Pak rupee by 10-13 per cent. The research also said the discount rate from existing level will also increase by 50-75 basis points. And to lower the fiscal deficit, and to ensure the higher revenue, GST will be increased to 18 per cent and a Value Added Tax will be introduced.

Once we went into Fund’s programme, the growth will remain stagnant at 3 per cent, and the middle class will squeezed more and more people will go down below the poverty line.

According to Dr Hafeez Pasha about one million people be unemployed because of slowing down of the economy whereas 4,000,000 people have already gone down the poverty line so far and in next two fiscal years, about 8000,000 more people are feared to go down below the poverty line. During the IMF three years period, the growth will remain at 3 per cent in the next two years and a generation of Rs700 billion through taxation measures in next budgetary year will serve nothing but ruin the economy as people will not pay more when the growth will be at the lowest ebb.
 

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https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/470969-clearance-from-fatf-must-for-imf-loan-dr-pasha

Clearance from FATF must for IMF loan: Dr Pasha

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ISLAMABAD: Dr Hafeez Pasha, Pakistan’s one of the distinguished economists and former finance minister, has said that the IMF press release following the staff level agreement on $6 billion loan programme with Pakistan, has indicated that the Executive Board of IMF will approve the loan only after the FATF clears Pakistan from anti-money laundering and terror financing charges.

Speaking his mind over the staff level agreement with IMF, Pasha mentioned a specific reference in the IMF press release, which has asked the government of Pakistan to show commitment against money laundering and terror financing, meaning thereby that FATF clearance is mandatory to qualify for the programme.


The Financial Action Task Force (FATF) is scheduled to be held in Beijing from May 15 to May 17 and will minutely examine Pakistan’s compliance report on total 19 points, including risk assessment to currency smuggling for money-laundering and terror-financing through cash couriers. The executive board of the Fund, where US is the major shareholder of the total fund which is 16.52 per cent and has the voting power of 831,407, will go through the staff level agreement with Pakistan and will give their final nod. The Executive Board will approve the loan after keeping in view the FATF report about Pakistan on money-laundering and terror-financing conditions of the Fund that the government of Pakistan has accepted.

The DNA of IMF is quite different this time from the past as the US, NATO forces and India who are out to use the tools of FATF and IMF to tame Pakistan and more importantly force Pakistan to ensure the smooth exist of US forces from Afghanistan.

Coming to the loan programme of $6 billion that Pakistan will have 39 months from IMF, Dr Pasha argued in the first three months Pakistan will be groping in the dark and will have no tranche after the agreement as the tranches will start after three months provided Pakistan fulfills all the prior actions. He further said it is basically not $6 billion loan, instead it is $3 billion as Pakistan has to pay back to IMF $3 billion loan in next three years. The amount is meager and is not enough to help Pakistan bridge the financing gap. Astonishingly the Fund is not ready to roll over its loan, but it has asked Pakistan in the press release to ask its international development partners to rollover their loans.

Dr Pasha said the IMF has basically asked Pakistan to have commitment from China, Saudi Arabia and UAE to rollover their loans to Pakistan. He said on one hand the IMF is not willing to rollover its loan, but on the other hand it is asking Pakistan to arrange breathing space to cope with the financing gap from the said countries by arranging the rollover.

Dr Pasha said this is one of the prior actions which Pakistan has to complete prior to qualify for approval of loan programme from the Executive Board of IMF. He said China’s loan stands at about $19 billion mainly in project financing and $7 billion are from Chinese commercial banks and $4 billion are parked in the reserves. Saudi Arabia has given Pakistan $3 billion and UAE $2 billion. The Fund wants the rollover of these loans. It is quite strange that IMF is not willing that Pakistan owns the said loan which is against the international norms and practices.

More importantly in the press release, the IMF asked the government to balance the NFC award between federation and provinces which is tantamount to breach of the Constitution of Pakistan. He said after the 18th Amendment the share of provinces in the NFC Award cannot be reduced.

The most alarming thing mentioned in the press release, he said, is that Pakistan government is bound to bring down the primary budget deficit to 0.6 per cent in next budgetary year from over 2 per cent. ‘This simply means that IMF has asked Pakistan to place cut on the defense budget which is not possible as our forces are engaged on both the eastern and the western borders of the country.’

Pasha explained the primary deficit means total revenue less non-interest expenditure. This means that Pakistan will have no option but to place huge cut on defense budget. The IMF wants Pakistan government to ensure the primary budget surplus of 2.5 per cent by reducing the defense budget and keeps central bank away from the exchange rate leaving it to the market forces.

Meanwhile, Arif Habib Limited Research on expected features of IMF programme worked out that in the wake of free float of exchange rate, US dollar will appreciate to Rs147 by June 2019 that will further increase to Rs152 by December this year. This will yield additional devaluation of Pak rupee by 10-13 per cent. The research also said the discount rate from existing level will also increase by 50-75 basis points. And to lower the fiscal deficit, and to ensure the higher revenue, GST will be increased to 18 per cent and a Value Added Tax will be introduced.

Once we went into Fund’s programme, the growth will remain stagnant at 3 per cent, and the middle class will squeezed more and more people will go down below the poverty line.

According to Dr Hafeez Pasha about one million people be unemployed because of slowing down of the economy whereas 4,000,000 people have already gone down the poverty line so far and in next two fiscal years, about 8000,000 more people are feared to go down below the poverty line. During the IMF three years period, the growth will remain at 3 per cent in the next two years and a generation of Rs700 billion through taxation measures in next budgetary year will serve nothing but ruin the economy as people will not pay more when the growth will be at the lowest ebb.
They will get that clearance because IMF is itching to clear the loan. IMF has invested heavily in hydro-electric power projects in POK. Let's not hang on to the FATF tag. The US has supported their pet dog through Afghan war, cold war, Kargil, nuclear tests, Indian parliament attack, 26/11, they even tolerated the fact that Pakistan was responsible for the death of 3000 US soldiers in Afghanistan. They didn't even seem to care that Osama was found in Pakistan.

India will have to continue pushing on with its own economic strangulation policy for Pakistan.
 

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Haldiram ji, you are too pessimistic.

Modi has brought acche din.

Pakistan is going down the tube. No doubts.
 

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