Pakistan Army attacks Indian Jawans near LoC

What should be India's response ?

  • Military Action

    Votes: 117 88.6%
  • Diplomatic Solution & formal protest

    Votes: 7 5.3%
  • Continue Peace Process

    Votes: 5 3.8%
  • Can`t Say

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SPIEZ

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Artillery is a major weapon and is not really required at the battalion level for the arty targets that are required at battalion level (enemy in contact) can be dealt with quite effectively by 81mm Mortars.
It seems the forces at the border, were awaiting orders for AT LEAST firing artillery rounds across the border.

However in the beginning they were stopped from firing mortars as well.
 

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One could use mortars with information to the next HQ.

It must be realised that it is with great concern that one wants to escalate any situation.

However, if someone is killed/ or there is great provocation, then weapons at the Bn level is weapons free.
 

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You guys Missed reading into my post on Gen Parnaik stating that IA was privy to an ISI document which was a blueprint for terror activity post 2014. lt means we have penetration in ISI at a fairly high level. Which in turn means we know a lot about terror meetings etc to act on real time basis.
I made my comment keeping in mind articles I had read about how the US spent years and money of establishing a network of spies in Pakistan prior to getting OBL. However, as you said, if we have good penetration, we should take out the figureheads, along with surgical strikes on terror camps.
 
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Artillery is a major weapon and is not really required at the battalion level for the arty targets that are required at battalion level (enemy in contact) can be dealt with quite effectively by 81mm Mortars.
OT: Could a mortar be classified as artillery? Or do we use the term 'artillery' specifically when used by arty units?
 

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Re: Breaking: Pak Army claims another of its soldiers killed in LoC

Are you implying that Pakistan wouldn't have gone nuclear had Bangladesh still been East Pakistan?
Mate, excuses abound. They just want to blame India for anything.

Of course Pakistan would have tried to get nukes, whether Bangladesh was liberated or not.
 
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India tells troops to be 'aggressive'

India tells troops to be 'aggressive'




India's top army general has given approval for troops to "be aggressive" and open fire when provoked by Pakistani soldiers along the Kashmir frontier.

"I expect all my commanders on the Line of Control to be aggressive and offensive in face of provocation and fire," said Gen. Bikram Singh, chief of Army Staff.

"No passivity is expected from them. Their response has to be measured and for effect," said Singh, who took over the top army job in May.

A report by the Times of India newspaper said Singh's statement is a sign that tensions remain high along the frontier after India accused the Pakistani army last week of "barbaric and inhuman mutilation" of the bodies of two Indian soldiers killed in the Kashmir region within the Himalayas.

Pakistan denies the accusations that members of its elite SSG commandos beheaded an Indian soldier and mutilated another soldier's body.

Singh said the army "reserved the right to retaliate at a time and place of its choosing,"

Despite the continuing high tension, senior officers including brigadiers from the two armies have been meeting the Chakkan-Da-Bagh crossing point in Poonch district, The Times report said.

Singh also said the incident wouldn't precipitate a clash with Pakistani troops, the first stage has been reached, the Times report said.

"Though the beheading has angered us at the strategic level, it was a tactical operation and we will respond at the tactical level now. ... We do not plan to up the ante. We will uphold the cease-fire as long as the adversary respects it but will retaliate if provoked," he said.

India and Pakistan agreed the cease-fire line in 2003 although Pakistan claims all the Kashmir region of India's Jammu and Kashmir state, which is around 60 per cent Muslim -- India's only Muslim majority state.

The Kashmir area was divided when the British colonial power quit the subcontinent in 1947, creating the two countries that went to war over the dispute for a year.

The two armies face each other across the Indian-made 340-mile Line of Control, a double-row fence including concertina up to 12 feet high.

It is electrified and protected by motion sensors, thermal imaging devices, lighting systems and alarms.

India maintains it has stopped much smuggling of arms from Pakistan into Kashmir for use by Muslim separatists.

Another brief war happened between the two nuclear-armed countries in 1965 and an armed confrontation in 1999, when Pakistani-backed forces infiltrated Indian territory in the Kargil area of Kashmir.

Last week's beheading was a warning to India to stand firm against Pakistan, the Hindu nationalist opposition party Bharatiya Janata Party said.

The governing Congress Party should place the facts before the international community so Islamabad can be "named and shamed," BJP leader Arun Jaitley said in a Press Trust of India report.

The Pakistani army rejected charges that it crossed the Line of Control and killed Indian soldiers, the state-run Associated Press of Pakistan reported last week.

Pakistan army's director general military operations, Maj. Gen. Ashfaq Nadeem told his Indian counterpart that Pakistan had "carried out ground verification and checked and found nothing of this sort happened as being alleged by India," the report said.

The report also accused Indian troops of a raid on a Pakistani post Jan. 6 in which a Pakistani soldier was killed. India has denied the accusation, saying its soldiers returned fire after first being shot at.
 

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Re: Breaking: Pak Army claims another of its soldiers killed in LoC

:rofl: Nice response and I am impressed with the way you can please people with your humble dialogue. Coming back to real world.

You have a big Economic Might because?
You sell to Americans, Indians, for God sakes even Japanese. Imagine the day when you are termed a Complete Social Pariah. An outcast for the sake of saying.
Who are you going to sell to maintain your Industrial Economy. Pakistan? They can't even buy sanitary supplies and wait for American humanitarian aid to wipe their rears. What happens when the funding to Pakistan stops? No business there huh! Bengalis already moved over to buying military hardware from Russia so no big ticket business there. Africans have started opposing your mining companies. Central Asian countries have started to realize what your intentions were. As against Indian and other countries, you go out to mine along with your Chinese workforce depriving locals of any and every benefit. You think this would continue forever?
Of course it can continue forever. China is a part of the global corporate structure now--the system of money and power that keeps the world turning. We run the UK telecom network. We prop up Japan's corporate sector. We prop up Australia's resource extraction and indirectly support over 20% of their GDP. We've bought out 2/3rds of the people at the Asia desk of the US State Department with directorships and consultancies, and we're expanding into ex-CIA and ex-Pentagon officials too. We don't traffic in soft, mushy perceptions and Gandhi posters. We traffic in influence, real influence, the kind that makes every American president since Clinton turn soft on us once they get into the White House.

China isn't out to be liked. China doesn't give a shit. We're here to do business, not act cute. And that's why China is three times the size of India, and keeps growing faster.

And No wasting money on Russian Hardware? Didn't you just buy the supply line on TU22 M and struggling to work out the deal for Sukhois?
Did we buy the Tu22M supply line? Has there been a single confirmation from China, or are you still relying on those same Russian sources that said for 9 months that China would buy Su-35s?

What about this 1962 crap? You think you were so great then why the unilateral pull out and cease fire declaration. You invaded and brutalized ill equipped infantry, Period. Remember Nehru decline the offer of ceasefire and you unilaterally receded. Every frigging time, you sick freaks go out, surprise and retreat. Well Vietnam backfired and so is what's going to happen everywhere. Forget the Economic lever. It's your Economy depending on that. Importing vegetable and Milk from outside, you think of bullying India? What are you going to feed on ipod? No one is invincible and the vicious cycle brings everyone to an all time low. Human history is very limited and people have see equations changing in matter of years not decades.
Keep hoping. Indians have had this sick, jealous hope that the Chinese economy will sputter for over a decade now, but the hope keeps going nowhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvDjHcTeTe8

Listen all the way towards end. Just one statement to clear the misty pupil of you ill conceived notion. And this time don't crap about not understanding Hindi. Come to level playing field. Have some of your all weather friend do that translation for you.
Why should I be forced to respond to a movie in another language?
 
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@pmaitra,

The Artillery had 120mm Mortars.

81mm is an Infantry weapon and is colloquially called Battalion Commander's topkhana .

There is no generally recognised generic term for a gun, howitzer, mortar.
 
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It takes much to fire a nuke.

If if is fired, then there will a new dimension to warfare learnt for posterity.
 

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It takes much to fire a nuke.

If if is fired, then there will a new dimension to warfare learnt for posterity.
It does. It's a mutual suicide pact for India and Pakistan. It's why this sort of tit-for-tat between India and Pakistan is retarded for both sides.
 

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Re: Breaking: Pak Army claims another of its soldiers killed in LoC

Of course it can continue forever. China is a part of the global corporate structure now--the system of money and power that keeps the world turning. We run the UK telecom network. We prop up Japan's corporate sector. We prop up Australia's resource extraction and indirectly support over 20% of their GDP. We've bought out 2/3rds of the people at the Asia desk of the US State Department with directorships and consultancies, and we're expanding into ex-CIA and ex-Pentagon officials too. We don't traffic in soft, mushy perceptions and Gandhi posters. We traffic in influence, real influence, the kind that makes every American president since Clinton turn soft on us once they get into the White House.
In short, China has captured the US Govt policy making apparatus knowhow and is controlling the US ..

I am sure the Americans would be delighted to learn that.

And bully for you that you control the rest of the world economic infrastructure and that they will collapse with China's nod!

An interesting view.
 

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By your logic, Japan, Vietnam and Taiwan should also have nukes.
Japan has the US nuclear umbrella. Vietnam doesn't have the financial or scientific resources to go nuclear. Taiwan has been warned that if it starts a nuclear program, China will automatically attack. In fact, China's Anti-Secession Law of 2005 legally obligates the PLA to invade Taiwan as soon as China detects a Taiwanese nuclear program.

Also, I think if China detected a Vietnamese nuclear program, it would automatically attack, too. China prefers to nip these sorts of problems in the bud, before unfriendly states turn into unsolvable problems.
 

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Pakistan is always aware India is dead serious, that's why they have so many nukes.
Good for them. And we don't get scared by nukes. Cause we have them too. They fire, we fire. We die, they die.
 

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Good for them. And we don't get scared by nukes. Cause we have them too. They fire, we fire. We die, they die.
That's the point. It forces peace. India simply cannot invade Pakistan.
 

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It does. It's a mutual suicide pact for India and Pakistan. It's why this sort of tit-for-tat between India and Pakistan is retarded for both sides.
The day anyone can use nuclear weapons unless it affects the existence, that day the pigs will fly!

Kargil is a case in point!

It is not in India's interest to destroy Pakistan.

But there is no embargo in bettering the defence posture in Kashmir if you know what I mean.

Hardly a cause for a nuclear war!
 
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