Pakistan Army attacks Indian Jawans near LoC

What should be India's response ?

  • Military Action

    Votes: 117 88.6%
  • Diplomatic Solution & formal protest

    Votes: 7 5.3%
  • Continue Peace Process

    Votes: 5 3.8%
  • Can`t Say

    Votes: 3 2.3%

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Dovah

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Re: Breaking: Pak Army claims another of its soldiers killed in LoC

As far as I know, all 1971 did was provoke Pakistan into acquiring nukes and turning from an irritant into an unsolvable problem for India. India might have won a few battles, but it suffered a long-term setback in its desire to take on South Asia. Why? It should have finished the job if it really wanted to solve things with armed force. It didn't, and now its strategic failure is haunting it.
Are you implying that Pakistan wouldn't have gone nuclear had Bangladesh still been East Pakistan?
 

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Re: Breaking: Pak Army claims another of its soldiers killed in LoC

:rofl: Nice response and I am impressed with the way you can please people with your humble dialogue. Coming back to real world.

You have a big Economic Might because?
You sell to Americans, Indians, for God sakes even Japanese. Imagine the day when you are termed a Complete Social Pariah. An outcast for the sake of saying.
Who are you going to sell to maintain your Industrial Economy. Pakistan? They can't even buy sanitary supplies and wait for American humanitarian aid to wipe their rears. What happens when the funding to Pakistan stops? No business there huh! Bengalis already moved over to buying military hardware from Russia so no big ticket business there. Africans have started opposing your mining companies. Central Asian countries have started to realize what your intentions were. As against Indian and other countries, you go out to mine along with your Chinese workforce depriving locals of any and every benefit. You think this would continue forever?


And No wasting money on Russian Hardware? Didn't you just buy the supply line on TU22 M and struggling to work out the deal for Sukhois?

What about this 1962 crap? You think you were so great then why the unilateral pull out and cease fire declaration. You invaded and brutalized ill equipped infantry, Period. Remember Nehru decline the offer of ceasefire and you unilaterally receded. Every frigging time, you sick freaks go out, surprise and retreat. Well Vietnam backfired and so is what's going to happen everywhere. Forget the Economic lever. It's your Economy depending on that. Importing vegetable and Milk from outside, you think of bullying India? What are you going to feed on ipod? No one is invincible and the vicious cycle brings everyone to an all time low. Human history is very limited and people have see equations changing in matter of years not decades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvDjHcTeTe8

Listen all the way towards end. Just one statement to clear the misty pupil of you ill conceived notion. And this time don't crap about not understanding Hindi. Come to level playing field. Have some of your all weather friend do that translation for you.

China would prefer the score to remain at 0:0, since that's where its economic levers can apply the most pressure.
In 1979, China destroyed most of Vietnam's infrastructure north of Hanoi. That was the objective, and that was met--it was a modern-day chevauchee. In 1962, China beat the hell out of India. No amount of window-dressing can obscure that fact. One does not need to bite and hold territory to win a war.

And China doesn't want to break Japan into pieces. That wasn't the point of the post.



As far as I know, all 1971 did was provoke Pakistan into acquiring nukes and turning from an irritant into an unsolvable problem for India. India might have won a few battles, but it suffered a long-term setback in its desire to take on South Asia. Why? It should have finished the job if it really wanted to solve things with armed force. It didn't, and now its strategic failure is haunting it.



Actually, China is good for increasing its per capita GDP 20x over thirty years. Why waste billions on Russian hardware?
 
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Re: Breaking: Pak Army claims another of its soldiers killed in LoC

In 1979, China destroyed most of Vietnam's infrastructure north of Hanoi. That was the objective, and that was met--it was a modern-day chevauchee. In 1962, China beat the hell out of India. No amount of window-dressing can obscure that fact. One does not need to bite and hold territory to win a war.

And China doesn't want to break Japan into pieces. That wasn't the point of the post.



As far as I know, all 1971 did was provoke Pakistan into acquiring nukes and turning from an irritant into an unsolvable problem for India. India might have won a few battles, but it suffered a long-term setback in its desire to take on South Asia. Why? It should have finished the job if it really wanted to solve things with armed force. It didn't, and now its strategic failure is haunting it.



Actually, China is good for increasing its per capita GDP 20x over thirty years. Why waste billions on Russian hardware?
Oh my sincere appology to Asia's defence & stategic analyst , I accept we buy russian hardware with spending our own money which is far better then stealing, reverse engineering & copying

Pak has got nukes & u bullies have also got nuke . Were they able to use those in 1999 kargil war ? have some sence nuclear weopons are not war fighting one they are war ending the one who uses it first is the desperate country not banking on their conventional power

we have enough reach in south asia guy like u need not give certificate . But all u can do u bully ur neighbours thats it like ur doing in this forum keep it up:thumb:
 

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Times Now reporting 2 paki soldiers dead last night.paki DGMO orders their soldiers to display restraint.
 

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Paki DGMO has asked its troops to behave & observe restrain.

Indian Army sources say that Pak has realized India is dead serious & will retaliate unproportionaly. IA expects paki aggression to come down in few days.


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My read is that India's Congress Party is feeling heat over the Delhi rape case, and needs a distraction for the upcoming legislative elections. I think Miss Italy may have picked up a lesson or two from Silvio Berlusconi in how to win elections.
Why you no type like Chinese Blothel? Are you a deceiving Paki? Told you before, Paint your flag green.

You are talking EXACTLY as Pakis.

Actually Indian politics doesnt run of Paki boogyman so your stupid guess is wrong.

I now seriously doubt if Chinese really have high IQ since the comments of the so called "Chinese" here matches IQ of 30. :lol:

Or that Pakis are using Chinese flags and insulting their IQ's :lol:
Befitting response. Cat got your tongue now?

Paki DGMO has asked its troops to behave & observe restrain.

Indian Army sources say that Pak has realized India is dead serious & will retaliate unproportionaly. IA expects paki aggression to come down in few days.


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Yeah.. got you by the throat. Eh sweetheart Khar. :rofl: See how their started to shiver now. Only if you could have done that before. Keep up the heat. Bring the rest 8 Sushma Swaraj Promised. :thumb:
 

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Why you no type like Chinese Blothel? Are you a deceiving Paki? Told you before, Paint your flag green.

Befitting response. Cat got your tongue now?

Yeah.. got you by the throat. Eh sweetheart Khar. :rofl: See how their started to shiver now. Only if you could have done that before. Keep up the heat. Bring the rest 8 Sushma Swaraj Promised. :thumb:
I heard its 6 now.... someone said its 4:2

Can any Chinese(Pakis in disguise) confirm? :lol:
 

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Paki DGMO has asked its troops to behave & observe restrain.

Indian Army sources say that Pak has realized India is dead serious & will retaliate unproportionaly. IA expects paki aggression to come down in few days.


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india is dead serious for whatever..Govt may not want to escalate the problem at the moment when we are heading for election and in a big mess due to long march and govt may break up within a week.

PA will eventually respond when the internal political problems are settled.
 

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india is dead serious for whatever..Govt may not want to escalate the problem at the moment when we are heading for election and in a big mess due to long march and govt may break up within a week.

PA will eventually respond when the internal political problems are settled.
After losing 4 Paki soldiers PA seems to be in mood to "de-escalate" tensions..... At the moment IA got serious Pakis agreed to surrender.Why do you always start what you cant finish?

India, Pakistan to 'de-escalate' border tensions, Army says

NEW DELHI: The Indian Army has reached an "understanding" with Pakistan to "de-escalate" military tensions in Kashmir after the recent deadly flare-up along the line of control (LoC), a spokesman told AFP on Wednesday.

"An understanding has been arrived at between the two director-generals of military operations to de-escalate the situation along the line of control," Army spokesman Jagdeep Dahiya said in reference to a de facto border in Kashmir.Dahiya said that the two sides' senior military commanders had spoken for 10 minutes over the telephone where they reached their agreement.

"The two DGMOs spoke to each other at 10am (0430 GMT) for 10 minutes and the Pakistan DGMO said strict instruction have been passed not to violate the ceasefire," he said.Dahiya said Indian troops stationed along the border would also not breach the ceasefire forged between the two nuclear rivals in 2003."We have always upheld the ceasefire and have only retaliated," the spokesman said.

The spokesman did not give further details of the conversation between India's DGMO Lieutenant General Vinod Bhatia and his Pakistani counterpart, Major General Ashfaq Nadeem.
 

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Has anyone read this treacherous article in The Hindu? The Coward Hindu newspaper.
The Hindu : Opinion / Editorial : Stop baying for blood

Gutless and ball-less liberal newspaper thinks it knows the way the world works!

You should have listened to Rajdeep Sardesai & Ajay Shukla on CNN IBN &NDTV 24x7 yesterday and today, It was like i have lost 1 liter of blood with anger after listening to their cowardice filled wannabe intellectual comments.

It was so frustrating.
 

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Pakistani attack on Indian troops

Courtesy The Week.

> India has fenced the areas surrounding the LOC. All these fences lie deep inside Indian territory. In some places they are 50km ~ 200km deep inside the Indian territory. Even in the region where Lance Naik Hemraj served the border was some 50km inside Indian territory.

> The troops usually survey in pairs. One pair within the visibility of the other. When Hemraj and his partner split, because of the heavy fog the visibility was very low, hence the other pairs couldn't keep up the observation

> There were sudden burst of gun fire. The other pairs tried to reach for Hemraj's group. However they were stopped by heavy cover fire from the Pakistani side. The cover fire had come for one of the bunker posts used by Pakistan, the Baloch Brigade (not sure). The cover fire was intended to keep Indian troops away. Not to harm or kill the other Indian troops.

> When the gun battle was finally over, they discovered the bodies of Hemraj with his head severed. There were deep scratch marks on the neck of the other Indian soldier, meaning a failed attempt to cut mutilate the body.
 

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Pakistani attack on Indian troops

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> These type of attacks were common during the heavy insurgency period the 90's.

> Iliyas Kashmiri was famous for these kinds of attacks. Such a mutilation won him famous notoriety in PoK, before which he was practically a no one.

> Such incidents happened before as well. It happened once in 2011, as well. However the govt hushed it down in due to the on going peace process during the erstwhile period.
 

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Indian Options at the LOC

> Indian troops require permission for firing the Artillery alone. Meaning other means of fire can be done without permission for higher ups.

> Firing is controlled by local commanding heads present at the border

> After these attacks, the morale of the troops are really low.Commanders are unable to command their troops.
 

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Its true when soldiers are asked to die and just have gun without triggering it.If any congress men son or daughter beheaded the situation would have been different ,like what happened to LTTE
 

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Indian Options at the LOC

> Indian troops require permission for firing the Artillery alone. Meaning other means of fire can be done without permission for higher ups.

> Firing is controlled by local commanding heads present at the border

> After these attacks, the morale of the troops are really low.Commanders are unable to command their troops.
Artillery is a major weapon and is not really required at the battalion level for the arty targets that are required at battalion level (enemy in contact) can be dealt with quite effectively by 81mm Mortars.
 

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