Pakistan announces 5th-gen fighter and medium-altitude long-endurance UAV programs

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They will directly procure it from China
China will build some setup in Kamra for it's outsourced production as China sees Pakistan as cheap labour.
 

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Even Turkish Fighter Jet is on paper ................I dont think UK will Share Any critical technology with Turkey .........It will be another failed project .

so Pakis hae Only one Option = china .

they should simply buy that J-31 .
 

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Pakistan have absolute zero experience in designing any jet fighters, even JF-17 was first designed in Russia as Mig 33, while China bought and modified the design (DSI being the most distinguish change) and sold it to Pakistan. And Pakistanis are saying they want to make 5th gen jet.
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They don't even have a proper wind tunnel test facility, semiconductor industry for chips, composite material technology for stealth, Radar Absorbant Paint technology, anechoic chamber for RCS testing bla bla bla...
 

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Who cares if they design it, beg for it or borrow it. Hopefully we are not in the situation where they induct those aircraft while we are floating tender after tender which is eventually scrapped.
 

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deleat.............................................
 

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I wonder why Pakistan announce fifth generation plane plan and not sixth generation plane plan looking to a great technological prowess in science and technology?
 

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You know what is amazing?
3 Islamic countries developing their own separate 5th gen Fighters:-
  • Turkey
  • Iran
  • Pakistan
Why not share the workload and development cost @Neo ? Not enough trust? Or maybe you figured its easy to do a paint-job on a Chinese jet rather than spend effort on actually developing one?

The Turkish one might turn out to be decent of the British BAE honor their contract, but that is about it.
 

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Pakistan is such a competent country that they have given cleaning contract of their cities to other companies. Pakistani companies can not even clean their cities.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1305359

Chinese firm to start cleaning up Karachi by early February
Even some of Indian cities give such contracts to companies. Initially 15 years back some of these companies were foreign companies. Now mostly given to Indian private companies.

Pakistan can at best be faulted for giving these contracts to Chinese companies, but not for giving such contracts.
 

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You know what is amazing?
3 Islamic countries developing their own separate 5th gen Fighters:-
  • Turkey
  • Iran
  • Pakistan
Why not share the workload and development cost @Neo ? Not enough trust? Or maybe you figured its easy to do a paint-job on a Chinese jet rather than spend effort on actually developing one?

The Turkish one might turn out to be decent of the British BAE honor their contract, but that is about it.
BAE is not going to share critical technology with Turkey. You can be assured of that. BAE never promised that in the first place. It only promised to give consultancy. Turkey by the way has invited Pakistan for its 5th generation plane. Even Indonesia was said to have joined in the 5th generation bandwagon.

The problem with the approach of Turkey, Pakistan etc is that they don't even know to make 4th generation plane. 5th generation plane has stealthy airframe but other than that it is a 4th generation plane with additional characteristics like stealth, AESA, sensor fusion etc. 4th generation plane is the first step towards 5th generation plane. Neither Turkey, nor Pakistan has the educated manpower required for the high end research and manufacturing.

It is impossible to directly make a 5th generation plan from scratch or even by reverse engineering as many things like software codes are impossible to reverse engineer and has to be carefully written and debugged continuously. The nuances of the coordination is also written in the codes which means features like sensor fusion is impossible to reverse engineer.

Even items like AESA radar, fire controls need years of work and testing. It is not that simple to make an advanced aircraft with advanced avionics based on electronics. The manual planes may be made and even the mechanical components of the plane like gears, missile pod etc can be reverse engineered. But the exact coordination between various components which rely on codes can't be reverse engineered and needs to have a source code or years of software writing and testing from scratch, in each step learning what is required and what is not. This step by step programming will also require active support from scientists and engineers designing the components which further complicates things.

India has excellent programming base, even in electronics. Despite not having chip fabrication plants in India, India is the leader when it comes to chip designing. India also has extensive experience designing radars and engine FADEC. Tejas development which gave enormous experience to India helps in further refining things for 5th generation planes. Despite all this, AMCA is only set to fully be ready by 2025 and trials till 2027 It may even get delayed till 2030.

Turkey and Pakistan lacks even the basic experience for 5th generation fighter and it is unwise to expect them to make it before 2040 even if they find needed talent
 

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You know what is amazing?
3 Islamic countries developing their own separate 5th gen Fighters:-
  • Turkey
  • Iran
  • Pakistan
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4. Indonesia (with Koreans ) .

and None of them have the ability to Make a successful 5th Generation Fighter .

BAE will Just earn money from Turkey & will not provide any critical technology .
 

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Pakistani 5th gen fighter, wow
Can you tell enlighten me about Surface Designing facilities, wind tunnels, shock tunnels and composites in which Pakistan has stride? @Neo

License producing is different thing and doesn't require this all but if Pakistan is doing itself, going joint venture or plum ToT, then let me know what's actually happening.

& guys, avoid baiting.
Somebody moderate the thread. @pmaitra
@tarunraju @LETHALFORCE
Anyone active yet?
 

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Pakistani 5th gen fighter, wow
Can you tell enlighten me about Surface Designing facilities, wind tunnels, shock tunnels and composites in which Pakistan has stride? @Neo

License producing is different thing and doesn't require this all but if Pakistan is doing itself, going joint venture or plum ToT, then let me know what's actually happening.

& guys, avoid baiting.
Somebody moderate the thread. @pmaitra
@tarunraju @LETHALFORCE
Anyone active yet?
Most critical factor will be budget. Any decent 5th gen fighter development will cost + production will cost upwards 10 billion dollars.

How is pakistan going to fund it???

Without this being answered it is just hot air.
 

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Most critical factor will be budget. Any decent 5th gen fighter development will cost + production will cost upwards 10 billion dollars.

How is pakistan going to fund it???

Without this being answered it is just hot air.
Just like the JF Thunder blunder, this designed and made-in- China aircraft is only going to be assembled in Pak. What's indigenous in this project would be the socks the pilots will wear.
 

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