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Pakistan and Drone Warfare
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Pak confers military award on Turkish Gen, looks to buy armed drones
Islamabad seeks to widen ties with NATO member Turkey and China for its growing list of war machines
Pakistan on Monday (July 5) conferred the Nishan-i-Imtiaz (military) award on Turkish Land Forces Commander General Umit Dundar as a sign of intensifying Pak-Turkey defence ties, with both sides agreeing to further “optimize military-to-military relationship in training and counter-terrorism domains.”
General Umit said that Pakistan and Turkey are inseparable as they have a long history of cooperation based on common faith, values and historical linkages, Pakistan’s Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) quoted the Turkish General as saying.
Pakistani media reports suggested possible procurement of armed drones, especially Bayraktar TB-2 that helped Azerbaijan defeat Armenia last year and greater Turkish investments in Pakistan were some of the issues that are under discussion between the two countries.
Pakistan has been importing its drones mainly from China, followed by Turkey and other countries. Recently, the country procured 50 Wing Loong II armed drones from China, which according to the Chinese experts, “would be a nightmare for Indian ground formations in high-altitude areas” considering India has limited capability to respond to such new-age stand-off weapons. From being one of the biggest importers, China is fast becoming a leading global arms supplier, with UAVs leading its foray into multiple countries, including Pakistan.
The deal had earlier been to co-produce 48 armed drones as the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) had claimed in a social media post on October 6, 2018.
Pakistan’s ties with Saudi Arabia and UAE are on the decline. Turkey is trying to project itself in West Asia as the counterbalance to Riyadh. So, Pakistan is getting closer to Turkey in a larger game being played out, Indian defence analysts have said.
In April, the Turkish Armed Forces awarded Gen Nadeem Raza, Pakistan’s Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee, the Legion of Merit for his services in promoting defence relations between the two countries.
Turkey is pushing to co-manufacture warplanes and missiles with Pakistan, in an attempt to get access to war technology from China. A deal would get NATO-member Turkey closer to some of China’s military technology. Pakistan builds its JF-17 fighter jets with China and is said to have adapted Chinese designs for its Shaheen ballistic missile.
Turkey sees nuclear power Pakistan as a strategic ally and potential partner in building its Siper long-range missile-defense project and TF-X fighter jet, media reports said.
Reports said Turkish General Umit Dundar called on Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Qamar Javed Bajwa at the General Headquarters (GHQ) in Rawalpindi and discussed bilateral military cooperation.
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Islamabad seeks to widen ties with NATO member Turkey and China for its growing list of war machines
Pakistan on Monday (July 5) conferred the Nishan-i-Imtiaz (military) award on Turkish Land Forces Commander General Umit Dundar as a sign of intensifying Pak-Turkey defence ties, with both sides agreeing to further “optimize military-to-military relationship in training and counter-terrorism domains.”
General Umit said that Pakistan and Turkey are inseparable as they have a long history of cooperation based on common faith, values and historical linkages, Pakistan’s Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) quoted the Turkish General as saying.
Pakistani media reports suggested possible procurement of armed drones, especially Bayraktar TB-2 that helped Azerbaijan defeat Armenia last year and greater Turkish investments in Pakistan were some of the issues that are under discussion between the two countries.
Pakistan has been importing its drones mainly from China, followed by Turkey and other countries. Recently, the country procured 50 Wing Loong II armed drones from China, which according to the Chinese experts, “would be a nightmare for Indian ground formations in high-altitude areas” considering India has limited capability to respond to such new-age stand-off weapons. From being one of the biggest importers, China is fast becoming a leading global arms supplier, with UAVs leading its foray into multiple countries, including Pakistan.
The deal had earlier been to co-produce 48 armed drones as the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) had claimed in a social media post on October 6, 2018.
Pakistan’s ties with Saudi Arabia and UAE are on the decline. Turkey is trying to project itself in West Asia as the counterbalance to Riyadh. So, Pakistan is getting closer to Turkey in a larger game being played out, Indian defence analysts have said.
In April, the Turkish Armed Forces awarded Gen Nadeem Raza, Pakistan’s Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee, the Legion of Merit for his services in promoting defence relations between the two countries.
Turkey is pushing to co-manufacture warplanes and missiles with Pakistan, in an attempt to get access to war technology from China. A deal would get NATO-member Turkey closer to some of China’s military technology. Pakistan builds its JF-17 fighter jets with China and is said to have adapted Chinese designs for its Shaheen ballistic missile.
Turkey sees nuclear power Pakistan as a strategic ally and potential partner in building its Siper long-range missile-defense project and TF-X fighter jet, media reports said.
Reports said Turkish General Umit Dundar called on Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Qamar Javed Bajwa at the General Headquarters (GHQ) in Rawalpindi and discussed bilateral military cooperation.
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Backed By China & Turkey, Why Pakistan’s ‘Drone Power’ Could Be A New Headache For India?
As India remains engulfed in conflicts with both Pakistan and China concurrently, one thing that the Indian military officials would be keenly evaluating is the drone strength of both adversaries.
Last year’s war between Azerbaijan and Armenia over Nagorno-Karabakh clearly demonstrated the decisive advantage attack drones could bring to any battlefield.
Drone strikes by Azerbaijan targeting Armenian troops, destroying military installations, tanks, air defense systems, and artillery tilted the balance of the war in favor of the Turkey-backed country. The war over Nagorno-Karabakh was unequivocal proof of the strategic advantage provided by armed drones to the militaries possessing them.
Drones have proved to be a powerful, effective and low-cost alternative to conventional weapons, and countries around the world are in a race to acquire the most advanced armed drone fleets.
The US was the first country to use Predator armed drones in Afghanistan following the 9/11 attacks and since then many countries have been producing and exporting them, most notably Israel, Turkey and China.
Turkish Bayraktar TB2
Azerbaijan had acquired a substantial fleet of Turkish Bayraktar TB2 and Israeli kamikaze drones that allowed it to decimate the Armenian ground forces and Russian air defense systems.
Turkey has reaped the benefits of the performance of its drones in the Nagorno-Karabakh war with multiple nations lining up to procure the country’s unmanned systems.
The country has sold its Bayraktar TB2 armed drones to countries like Azerbaijan, Ukraine, Qatar, and Libya so far. Poland recently became the first NATO nation to buy 24 Bayraktar TB2 drones from Turkey and according to reports, another NATO member from Europe, Latvia, may follow suit.
Many other countries have expressed their interest to buy Turkish armed drones.
There have been reports that Pakistan has expressed deep interest to acquire TB2 drones from Turkey and going by the strong defense ties both nations enjoy, these speculations could soon turn out to be a reality.
The Bayraktar TB-2 drones, as demonstrated in the recent battle, can deceive modern air defense systems which include, as proven recently, Russian Pantsir and S-300 air defense systems.
Pakistan is also known to have acquired 50 Wing Loong II armed drones from China, which according to official Chinese media, could turn out to be a “nightmare for Indian ground formations in high-altitude areas,” with India having the little capability to repel advanced stand-off weapons.
Both China and Pakistan are bolstering their unmanned attack capabilities, while India is preparing to lease the US and Israeli armed drones to boost its capability at the borders. India has so far employed its Israel-imported Searcher and Harop drones only for surveillance and reconnaissance purposes.
Is India Prepared To Counter China, Pakistan?
India is also acquiring new advanced Heron drones on lease from Israel to keep an eye on the activities along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) with China. The new fleet will have more capabilities in terms of anti-jamming capabilities and weapons, reports indicate.
The Indian Navy also equipped itself with two Predator drones leased from the American firm General Atomics. The MQ-9B SeaGuardian drones will be deployed for long-range missions over the Indian Ocean and the Bay of Bengal.
With an endurance of 33 hours and the ability to fly 40,000 ft above sea level, MQ-9B drones are a significant asset for the Navy to keep an eye on the vast ocean areas.
dditionally, as EurAsian Times reported, India is likely to procure US-made MQ-9 Predator-B drones days after reports of the acquisition of Heron TP UAVs on lease from Israel.
Often called the “Predator-B,” this was the first hunter-killer UCAV (unmanned combat aerial vehicle), meaning that it can independently recognize and annihilate targets. The Predator-B is a battle-tested drone and was deployed in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Libya, Mali, Yemen, Pakistan.
Earlier in March, Indian media reported that the country has approved the purchase of up to 30 drones from General Atomics at a cost of $3 billion.
According to Bloomberg, the drones “will give the Indian Navy the ability to better monitor Chinese warships in the southern Indian Ocean, and equip the army to engage targets along the disputed India-Pakistan border in the Himalayas”.
The drones have immense firepower, with the Reaper armed with four Hellfire missiles and two 227kg bombs, while the SeaGuardian equipped to carry out anti-submarine warfare and maritime surveillance.
China – A Rising Drone Power
Rivaling Turkey in the attack drone capabilities is China, which is fast gaining a major chunk of the global drone market, having snatched most of the business from the US and Israel in the last decade.
China has been exporting its models CH-4 and Wing Loong I, and now Wing Loong II to many countries, including Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt, Iraq, and Jordan.
China is also arming India’s neighbor Pakistan with advanced attack drones and the two countries are reportedly negotiating on joint production of some models.
With the US drone sales coming with a series of pre-conditions and restrictions, many nations are finding it more economical and feasible to buy weapons from China, which puts no condition on human rights concerns or political orientations.
India has expressed serious concerns about China arming its neighbors with a range of weapons, which include weaponized unmanned aircraft. India itself having signed two key pacts with the US – COMCASA in 2018 and BECA in 2020 – is in a position to lease or buy advanced attack drones from the US.
The two foundational pacts have paved the way for the country to acquire more lethal weaponry and share intelligence with the US.
Domestically, India is ramping up its drone capabilities by investing in the research and development of such projects with leading public institutions. One of the projects India’s HAL is working on is modeled on the US project Skyborg, under which multiple unmanned aircraft and vehicles will team up with manned jets.
The drones will operate alongside fighters such as LCA Tejas and Rafale to boost the effectiveness of these planes.
India’s indigenously developed medium-altitude long-endurance drone Rustom-2 is being tested this year after many shortcomings were overcome by the scientists at DRDO. The drone with its attack and surveillance capabilities will fly at over 27,000 feet for more than 18 hours.
The current decade will witness an inexorable race for armed attack drones, which are a viable option both for their economics and offensive capability in a war.
With India arming itself with US, Israeli and indigenous drones and Pakistan turning to China and Turkey, the future warfare, be it over the vast oceans or high-altitude regions, looks clearly unmanned.
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As India remains engulfed in conflicts with both Pakistan and China concurrently, one thing that the Indian military officials would be keenly evaluating is the drone strength of both adversaries.
Last year’s war between Azerbaijan and Armenia over Nagorno-Karabakh clearly demonstrated the decisive advantage attack drones could bring to any battlefield.
Drone strikes by Azerbaijan targeting Armenian troops, destroying military installations, tanks, air defense systems, and artillery tilted the balance of the war in favor of the Turkey-backed country. The war over Nagorno-Karabakh was unequivocal proof of the strategic advantage provided by armed drones to the militaries possessing them.
Drones have proved to be a powerful, effective and low-cost alternative to conventional weapons, and countries around the world are in a race to acquire the most advanced armed drone fleets.
The US was the first country to use Predator armed drones in Afghanistan following the 9/11 attacks and since then many countries have been producing and exporting them, most notably Israel, Turkey and China.
Turkish Bayraktar TB2
Azerbaijan had acquired a substantial fleet of Turkish Bayraktar TB2 and Israeli kamikaze drones that allowed it to decimate the Armenian ground forces and Russian air defense systems.
Turkey has reaped the benefits of the performance of its drones in the Nagorno-Karabakh war with multiple nations lining up to procure the country’s unmanned systems.
The country has sold its Bayraktar TB2 armed drones to countries like Azerbaijan, Ukraine, Qatar, and Libya so far. Poland recently became the first NATO nation to buy 24 Bayraktar TB2 drones from Turkey and according to reports, another NATO member from Europe, Latvia, may follow suit.
Many other countries have expressed their interest to buy Turkish armed drones.
There have been reports that Pakistan has expressed deep interest to acquire TB2 drones from Turkey and going by the strong defense ties both nations enjoy, these speculations could soon turn out to be a reality.
The Bayraktar TB-2 drones, as demonstrated in the recent battle, can deceive modern air defense systems which include, as proven recently, Russian Pantsir and S-300 air defense systems.
Pakistan is also known to have acquired 50 Wing Loong II armed drones from China, which according to official Chinese media, could turn out to be a “nightmare for Indian ground formations in high-altitude areas,” with India having the little capability to repel advanced stand-off weapons.
Both China and Pakistan are bolstering their unmanned attack capabilities, while India is preparing to lease the US and Israeli armed drones to boost its capability at the borders. India has so far employed its Israel-imported Searcher and Harop drones only for surveillance and reconnaissance purposes.
Is India Prepared To Counter China, Pakistan?
India is also acquiring new advanced Heron drones on lease from Israel to keep an eye on the activities along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) with China. The new fleet will have more capabilities in terms of anti-jamming capabilities and weapons, reports indicate.
The Indian Navy also equipped itself with two Predator drones leased from the American firm General Atomics. The MQ-9B SeaGuardian drones will be deployed for long-range missions over the Indian Ocean and the Bay of Bengal.
With an endurance of 33 hours and the ability to fly 40,000 ft above sea level, MQ-9B drones are a significant asset for the Navy to keep an eye on the vast ocean areas.
dditionally, as EurAsian Times reported, India is likely to procure US-made MQ-9 Predator-B drones days after reports of the acquisition of Heron TP UAVs on lease from Israel.
Often called the “Predator-B,” this was the first hunter-killer UCAV (unmanned combat aerial vehicle), meaning that it can independently recognize and annihilate targets. The Predator-B is a battle-tested drone and was deployed in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Libya, Mali, Yemen, Pakistan.
Earlier in March, Indian media reported that the country has approved the purchase of up to 30 drones from General Atomics at a cost of $3 billion.
According to Bloomberg, the drones “will give the Indian Navy the ability to better monitor Chinese warships in the southern Indian Ocean, and equip the army to engage targets along the disputed India-Pakistan border in the Himalayas”.
The drones have immense firepower, with the Reaper armed with four Hellfire missiles and two 227kg bombs, while the SeaGuardian equipped to carry out anti-submarine warfare and maritime surveillance.
China – A Rising Drone Power
Rivaling Turkey in the attack drone capabilities is China, which is fast gaining a major chunk of the global drone market, having snatched most of the business from the US and Israel in the last decade.
China has been exporting its models CH-4 and Wing Loong I, and now Wing Loong II to many countries, including Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Egypt, Iraq, and Jordan.
China is also arming India’s neighbor Pakistan with advanced attack drones and the two countries are reportedly negotiating on joint production of some models.
With the US drone sales coming with a series of pre-conditions and restrictions, many nations are finding it more economical and feasible to buy weapons from China, which puts no condition on human rights concerns or political orientations.
India has expressed serious concerns about China arming its neighbors with a range of weapons, which include weaponized unmanned aircraft. India itself having signed two key pacts with the US – COMCASA in 2018 and BECA in 2020 – is in a position to lease or buy advanced attack drones from the US.
The two foundational pacts have paved the way for the country to acquire more lethal weaponry and share intelligence with the US.
Domestically, India is ramping up its drone capabilities by investing in the research and development of such projects with leading public institutions. One of the projects India’s HAL is working on is modeled on the US project Skyborg, under which multiple unmanned aircraft and vehicles will team up with manned jets.
The drones will operate alongside fighters such as LCA Tejas and Rafale to boost the effectiveness of these planes.
India’s indigenously developed medium-altitude long-endurance drone Rustom-2 is being tested this year after many shortcomings were overcome by the scientists at DRDO. The drone with its attack and surveillance capabilities will fly at over 27,000 feet for more than 18 hours.
The current decade will witness an inexorable race for armed attack drones, which are a viable option both for their economics and offensive capability in a war.
With India arming itself with US, Israeli and indigenous drones and Pakistan turning to China and Turkey, the future warfare, be it over the vast oceans or high-altitude regions, looks clearly unmanned.
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Turkey's Kargu Drone Bags First Export Customer: Defensenews.net
Turkey's STM Defense Technologies Engineering will deliver its Kargu rotary-wing attack drone loitering munition system to the first international customer. Pakistan??
"Our national pride Portable Rotary Wing Striker UAV System KARGU has achieved its first export success," head of the Defence Industries Presidency (SSB), Ismail Demir, tweeted July 21.
The Kargu UAVs entered Turkish Armed Forces’ inventory around two years ago.
According to the manufacturer, Kargu is a portable, rotary wing attack drone designed to provide tactical ISR and precision strike capabilies for ground troops. The UAV has an endurance of 30 minutes and has a payload capacity of 1.3kg.
It is capable of performing fully autonomous navigation vis STM's flight control system. In addition, the platform is able to perform precision strike for low signature, beyond line of sight targets. It is capable of Vertical Take Off / Landing (VTOL).
Precision strike mission is fully performed by the operator, in line with the Man-in-the-Loop principle.
The platform is capable of detecting and striking static or mobile targets with high precision during day and night conditions.
The KARGU system is comprised of the Attack Drone Platform and the Mobile Ground Control Station. Kargu drone in action.
Turkey's STM Defense Technologies Engineering will deliver its Kargu rotary-wing attack drone loitering munition system to the first international customer. Pakistan??
"Our national pride Portable Rotary Wing Striker UAV System KARGU has achieved its first export success," head of the Defence Industries Presidency (SSB), Ismail Demir, tweeted July 21.
The Kargu UAVs entered Turkish Armed Forces’ inventory around two years ago.
According to the manufacturer, Kargu is a portable, rotary wing attack drone designed to provide tactical ISR and precision strike capabilies for ground troops. The UAV has an endurance of 30 minutes and has a payload capacity of 1.3kg.
It is capable of performing fully autonomous navigation vis STM's flight control system. In addition, the platform is able to perform precision strike for low signature, beyond line of sight targets. It is capable of Vertical Take Off / Landing (VTOL).
Precision strike mission is fully performed by the operator, in line with the Man-in-the-Loop principle.
The platform is capable of detecting and striking static or mobile targets with high precision during day and night conditions.
The KARGU system is comprised of the Attack Drone Platform and the Mobile Ground Control Station. Kargu drone in action.
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More attacks on loc will follow , good .Turkey's Kargu Drone Bags First Export Customer: Defensenews.net
Turkey's STM Defense Technologies Engineering will deliver its Kargu rotary-wing attack drone loitering munition system to the first international customer. Pakistan??
"Our national pride Portable Rotary Wing Striker UAV System KARGU has achieved its first export success," head of the Defence Industries Presidency (SSB), Ismail Demir, tweeted July 21.
The Kargu UAVs entered Turkish Armed Forces’ inventory around two years ago.
According to the manufacturer, Kargu is a portable, rotary wing attack drone designed to provide tactical ISR and precision strike capabilies for ground troops. The UAV has an endurance of 30 minutes and has a payload capacity of 1.3kg.
It is capable of performing fully autonomous navigation vis STM's flight control system. In addition, the platform is able to perform precision strike for low signature, beyond line of sight targets. It is capable of Vertical Take Off / Landing (VTOL).
Precision strike mission is fully performed by the operator, in line with the Man-in-the-Loop principle.
The platform is capable of detecting and striking static or mobile targets with high precision during day and night conditions.
The KARGU system is comprised of the Attack Drone Platform and the Mobile Ground Control Station. Kargu drone in action.
The ceasefire will be again broken and this shall take place again
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Read this report from 2015 showing pakistan used "flying bombs, the pilot-less aircraft—like the ones first recovered in 1998–99"
is this true? Pakistani terrorists used drones in Kashmir as back as 1999?
www.hindustantimes.com
is this true? Pakistani terrorists used drones in Kashmir as back as 1999?
Terror camps back in J&K hills
Militants in the state are up to their old tricks again. They are growing in strength and setting up their camps in hilly terrains.
www.hindustantimes.com
