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Netra is quite astounding product , better in some parameter than their saab 2000 , aau is of similar size and Netra mk2 is bigger than that
Bro in my opinion. We should be having atleast
6-7 units of the current NETRA in my opinion, our Indian airforce should have ordered more. Anyways as of now ,I don't see now any possibility of Acquiring any more Additional AWACS from DRDO at this point. Let's hope for the best.
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Bro in my opinion. We should be having atleast
6-7 units of the current NETRA in my opinion, our Indian airforce should have ordered more. Anyways as of now ,I don't see now any possibility of Acquiring any more Additional AWACS from DRDO at this point. Let's hope for the best.
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Oh , now that is disappointing , I think so we should lift the ban on them ,like we recently removed Leonardo out of the black list .
Here watch this.
Possibly ,but new offer is more price effective , conversion of existing aircraft ,also the bigger radome have 1.5 times more aesa trm elements ,
 

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Possibly ,but new offer is more price effective , conversion of existing aircraft ,also the bigger radome have 1.5 times more aesa trm elements ,
Yeah , you are right,most likely, anyways I feel
Like Indian airforce will go forward with the 360 degree AWACS now , but I feel like we could still acquire More Units of the current NETRA AWACS, anyways let's hope for the best
 

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AWACs ?Don't be so sure bro,I have my concerns with those SAAB 2000 awacs being used by Pakistan, honestly speaking, the only plane from Pakistan which I think will be a threat to us is DA 20 Electronic WarFare Aircraft used by Pakis . Also SAAB 2000 awacs , too. Don't take them Casually, they may not be as good as they are portrayed but they are definitely not as bad as
We think. Good day
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Not at all being casual. The challenge is real but I just stated we have powerful enough radars to detect them in their territory and missiles for long range engagement, don't we? They are not stealth aircrafts after all. And their jamming capabilities would have been taken into consideration by IAF judging by the number of counter jammers we procured from Israel.

However, I am not at all saying that we have adequate airborne radars, there are good number of powerful ground radars and I am guessing that's the reason for not hurrying on the airborne version right now.
 

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IMO , If India rejects Su 75 then PAF will buy it as it is cheap and more accessible to Pakistan then western technologies
Also Russia can blackmail India for giving 5th gen to Pakistan
 

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Not at all being casual. The challenge is real but I just stated we have powerful enough radars to detect them in their territory and missiles for long range engagement, don't we? They are not stealth aircrafts after all. And their jamming capabilities would have been taken into consideration by IAF judging by the number of counter jammers we procured from Israel.

However, I am not at all saying that we have adequate airborne radars, there are good number of powerful ground radars and I am guessing that's the reason for not hurrying on the airborne version right now.
Yes they are not stealth Aircrafts,I never said that they are stealth Aircrafts ,yes agreed that they can be easily detected by our current radars , we know that, but it won't be an easy task to just shoot one down, yes ,I don't think it will be easy. It takes a lot of planning to execute. Our IAF is lacking thr necessary amount of AWACS to Counter both China and Pakistan in a potential two front War.(sad Reality)

PAF has pretty decent Jamming capabilities ,as we saw on 27th February, I too was surprised , honestly speaking ,we too should be having an electronic Warfare Aircraft like Pakistan has DA 20 .If our Indian airforce had acquired more Netra AWACS (current version) in numbers of atleast 5-6 , than we would be at a much better position. Let's hope for the best. Peace out.
 

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Not at all being casual. The challenge is real but I just stated we have powerful enough radars to detect them in their territory and missiles for long range engagement, don't we? They are not stealth aircrafts after all. And their jamming capabilities would have been taken into consideration by IAF judging by the number of counter jammers we procured from Israel.

However, I am not at all saying that we have adequate airborne radars, there are good number of powerful ground radars and I am guessing that's the reason for not hurrying on the airborne version right now.
Yes we do have do have lots of Ground based radar but are lacking in Aerial Radars aka AWACS . Good day
 

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Yes they are not stealth Aircrafts,I never said that they are stealth Aircrafts ,yes agreed that they can be easily detected by our current radars , we know that, but it won't be an easy task to just shoot one down, yes ,I don't think it will be easy. It takes a lot of planning to execute. Our IAF is lacking thr necessary amount of AWACS to Counter both China and Pakistan in a potential two front War.(sad Reality)

PAF has pretty decent Jamming capabilities ,as we saw on 27th February, I too was surprised , honestly speaking ,we too should be having an electronic Warfare Aircraft like Pakistan has DA 20 .If our Indian airforce had acquired more Netra AWACS (current version) in numbers of atleast 5-6 , than we would be at a much better position. Let's hope for the best. Peace out.
As I mentioned it's a challenge to deal with their awacs, nothing is easy in war even with best of the tech with you.To be very clear I am not trivialising the threat at all especially after Afghan crisis they can probably use the afghan airspace even to the operations with depth. However I am pointing out simply that we definitely have an answer to the awacs/ew challenge they pose. I am certain that IAF trains to fight in jamming env and we do have ew countermeasures since many years.

I would like to know what specific event that transpired on 27th Feb convince you they have superior jamming tech? Because a lot of it is still conjectures.
 

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As I mentioned it's a challenge to deal with their awacs, nothing is easy in war even with best of the tech with you.To be very clear I am not trivialising the threat at all especially after Afghan crisis they can probably use the afghan airspace even to the operations with depth. However I am pointing out simply that we definitely have an answer to the awacs/ew challenge they pose. I am certain that IAF trains to fight in jamming env and we do have ew countermeasures since many years.

I would like to know what specific event that transpired on 27th Feb convince you they have superior jamming tech? Because a lot of it is still conjectures.
Yes I am aware of that, we do have counters to their AWACS , we could probably knock out their AWACS using Air Launched version of Brahmos and maybe some other Missiles. They can definitely use Afghan Airspace for some of their Operation, it is definitely a possibility to say the least,but I wouldn't consider their Mirages, JF 17 as potential threats to our assets , maybe those F-16s will be a threat somewhat.

I will tell you this all some other time, I will mention the incidents some other time. Anyways one thing is for sure , PAF failed in Their airstrikes, fired multiple AMRAAMS at our SU 30 MKIs but couldn't manage to hit even one , they ran away from us even when they had numerical advantage over us , they got scared of a mig 21, and lost an f16 to a mig 21.
 

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As I mentioned it's a challenge to deal with their awacs, nothing is easy in war even with best of the tech with you.To be very clear I am not trivialising the threat at all especially after Afghan crisis they can probably use the afghan airspace even to the operations with depth. However I am pointing out simply that we definitely have an answer to the awacs/ew challenge they pose. I am certain that IAF trains to fight in jamming env and we do have ew countermeasures since many years.

I would like to know what specific event that transpired on 27th Feb convince you they have superior jamming tech? Because a lot of it is still conjectures.
We will talk about this some other time . Good day. We can discuss some other things about PAF . Good day ☺
 

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IMO , If India rejects Su 75 then PAF will buy it as it is cheap and more accessible to Pakistan then western technologies
Also Russia can blackmail India for giving 5th gen to Pakistan
Really? Than I don't think so we can trust the Russians at all .I don't think so china will allow their pet Pakistan to buy SU 75 , because they won't be able to sell FC-31 from china , also maybe Russia might blackmail us and try and coax us into buying Their SU 75.I heard that when the Russians Initially offered us S-400 ,we had at First declined to buy it ,But later the Russians Claimed that they would sell it to Pakistan, after this India was forced to but the S-400 air defense system because they didn't want such an advanced system to be in the hands of an adversary like Pakistan(I don't know how true this incident is,I do remember reading it somewhere or I heard it in some video) . Anyways I highly Doubt that Pakistan will be able to even afford it , considering their Economy, it is not ideal to be able to buy and Maintain Stealth Fighters. Can't say much about this. Honestly speaking from my personal opinion, we should never buy this Aircraft but instead give importantance to our Indigenous Projects like Tejas mk 2, AMCA etc. Becoming self reliant is the only way to go . Good day
 

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Really? Than I don't think so we can trust the Russians at all .I don't think so china will allow their pet Pakistan to buy SU 75 , because they won't be able to sell FC-31 from china , also maybe Russia might blackmail us and try and coax us into buying Their SU 75.I heard that when the Russians Initially offered us S-400 ,we had at First declined to buy it ,But later the Russians Claimed that they would sell it to Pakistan, after this India was forced to but the S-400 air defense system because they didn't want such an advanced system to be in the hands of an adversary like Pakistan(I don't know how true this incident is,I do remember reading it somewhere or I heard it in some video) . Anyways I highly Doubt that Pakistan will be able to even afford it , considering their Economy, it is not ideal to be able to buy and Maintain Stealth Fighters. Can't say much about this. Honestly speaking from my personal opinion, we should never buy this Aircraft but instead give importantance to our Indigenous Projects like Tejas mk 2, AMCA etc. Becoming self reliant is the only way to go . Good day
I hope the USA threatens CAATSA on us when the babus start pushing SU 75.
 

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Lol. Threaten us we with CAATSA? We are not afraid of any sanctions imposed on us . Good day
We should be. USA is a important ally and a major market for our companies. We can't increase defence budget if our economy doesn't keep up.
Tejas, MWF, amca mk1 all have/will have American engines.
Btw, the last sanctions on us almost killed Tejas. So, sanctions aren't something we should downplay.
 

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We should be. USA is a important ally and a major market for our companies. We can't increase defence budget if our economy doesn't keep up.
Tejas, MWF, amca mk1 all have/will have American engines.
Btw, the last sanctions on us almost killed Tejas. So, sanctions aren't something we should downplay.
Yeah I guess you do have a point there . Thank you for your information
 

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We should be. USA is a important ally and a major market for our companies. We can't increase defence budget if our economy doesn't keep up.
Tejas, MWF, amca mk1 all have/will have American engines.
Btw, the last sanctions on us almost killed Tejas. So, sanctions aren't something we should downplay.
I did a bit of Research on the internet and well,it turns out, This sanctions are more serious than they seem. If CAATSA is imposed on us, than it might hinder our Indigenous Aerospace projects such as AMCA ,Tejas mk2 etc .Because the initial batches of this Aircrafts will be using American Engines , and if under CAATSA, they stop the supply of engine, than it will be a problem for Us . Also US is a key player in our Defence Market .But honestly speaking Only time will tell us what will happen, whether US imposes Sanctions on us or not, only time will tell .Good day
 

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These Inbreds Actually Believe that their So Called MM ALAM shot down 5 planes that day. Lmao lol. These porkis are so delusional and Staying in Their Own Dreams. That MM alam is a fake Hero , Everyone knows that, Pakistan Airforce has to make all this fake stories Just to Fool Their Jahil Awam and nothing else. This ignorant pigs will believe anything that their Armed forces will say to Them.
Did he ever did that ? No. All his claims are utter imaginations.

On 7th September,1965, IAF carried out 6 raids on Pak airbases( Mostly on Sargodha).

Strike no 1: 7 Mystere aircrafts ( 1 loss )

Strike no 2: 8 Mystere aircrafts ( 0 loss )

Strike no 3: 5 Hunter aircrafts ( 1 loss )

Strike no 4: 5 Hunter aircrafts ( 2 loss )

Strike no 5: 4 Mystere aircrafts ( 0 loss )

Strike no 6: 2 Mystere aircrafts ( 1 loss )
It was during strike no 4 that MM Alam and PAF claimed to shoot down 5 Hunters on the raid.
First proof :- Only 2 aircraft wreckages found. In no way other Hunters could have crashed in India because they were 55 miles away from the Border. So Pakistan was able to produce only two wreckages.
Second Proof :- Strike no 4 was led by Wg Cdr Zachariah, with S/L Lamba and S/L Sinha escorted by S/L Bhagawat and Fly. Off JS Brar.
The three of the pilots returned back safely and in fact S/L Lamba and S/L Sinha later went on to become Air Marshals of IAF and Zachariah is in UK.
Only two escort Hunters flown by S/L Bhagawat and Fly. Off JS Brar were shot down by MM Alam.
No other pilot in PAF claimed the kills so MM Alam was awarded the kills.
Third Proof:- PAF regularly kept changing the names of the pilots victim to MM Alam to prove the fake five kills. First they took names of S/L Devayya, F/L Guha and S/L Kacker. As we all know, S/L Devayya and F/L Guha were Mystere pilots and not Hunter pilots.
S/L Devayya was part of Strike No 1 and was shot down by F/L Hussein and F/L Guha was part of strike no. 6 and was short down by F/L A.H Malik.S/L Kacker was indeed a Hunter Pilot but was part of strike no 3. There was a gap of 18 minutes between Strike no 3 and Strike no 4. So, how can Alam intercept both the strikes at a single time ?also it is reported that S/L Kacker’s Hunter had an engine failure and therefore he ejected. Maybe this can be false, but MM Alam can clearly not shoot down aircrafts from different strikes at different time simultaneously.
Later they again changed the names and said that S/L A.K Rawlley and F/O F.D Bunsha are those who were shot down.
Yes, they both were Hunter pilots but none of them engaged MM Alam on 7th September. AK Rawlley faced MM Alam on 6th while F.D Bunsha engaged MM Alam on 16th September.
On 6th September, MM Alam in a three jet formation went on to raid Adampur IAF base. They aborted the raid because four Hunters intercepted them, who were themselves going for a raid at Pak Army Installations.
It is here when MM Alam faced AK Rawlley. MM Alam successfully shot down one Hunter and claimed to shoot down one more Hunter flown by AK Rawlley. But he was himself not confident whether he shot down AK Rawlley or not.
AK Rawlley was flying very low and while performing a maneuver, he cart- wheeled into the sand.
Once again, MM Alam was given credit for two kills though he shot down only one.
On 16th September, MM Alam in a two jet formation was intercepted by F/L Pinglae and F/O FD Bunsha. It was here when MM Alam shot down FD Bunsha and also claimed to shoot down F/L Pinglae.
He was again credited with two kills but F/L Pinglae landed back safely and narrated the dogfight. F/L Pinglae shot down MM Alam’s number 2 and even chased him but MM Alam cruised to his base as he was low on fuel.
So, even after PAF desperately tried to prove 5 kills, they failed.
MM Alam scored only 4 kills throughout the war and not 9.
PAF CLAIMS:
6th Sep: 2 Jets
7th Sep: 5 Jets( In 30 seconds, LMAO )
16th Sep:2 Jets
REALITY:
6th Sep: 1 Jet
7th Sep: 2 Jet( Brar and Bhagwat )
16th Sep:1 Jet
Many people believe S/L Kacker to be shot down by MM Alam on 7th September but it’s Literally impossible. There was a gap of 18 MINUTES between Strike 3 and Strike 4.
I think PAF had S/L Rafiqui better than MM Alam. Neither PAF/ MM Alam nor their boot licker John Fricker was able to prove 5 Kills in 30 seconds.
Note : answer copy pasted from Quora there are many claims with regards to MM Alam's claim but one thing is for sure,he did not shoot down 5 planes that day. That's for sure
 

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