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same news as above:

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The Russian air force commander also indicated that three T-50 airframes have already been built – though at least one of these is likely a static fatigue test rig.
 

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here goes pakfa suites in development :--

new launchers for PAKFA :-
new pattern of launcher able to catapult the round out of the aircraft's weapons bay. Two versions are planned. The UVKU-50L lightweight launcher is intended to carry missiles weighing up to 300 kg. Heavier weapons weighing up to 700 kg will be carried on the UVKU-50U universal launcher.

new FPA seeker :---
Russian air-to-air missile programmes have been slow to adopt FPA technology, which is already used in 'dogfight' missiles such as the AIM-9X, ASRAAM, the Diehl BGT Defence IRIS-T and Rafael's Python-4 and Python-5. Russian work in this field is still at an early stage.
The reason for this time lag is essentially historical - until now, the IR seekers for the R-73/74 series and other Russian short-range air-to-air missiles were developed by Arsenal in Kiev.

air to air missiles :-
K-MD, Vympel has developed what it described as 'a three-channel gas-dynamic control unit. An adaptive warhead will provide optimised lethal effects to suit the final interception conditions.
Development of the K-MD is expected to end in 2013, giving the PAK FA a 'dogfight' weapon of much-increased range, all-round coverage and the ability to engage aircraft or missile targets
new guidance system :
Its guidance system will be based on a new IR seeker incorporating a focal-plane array (FPA). This will have more than twice the lock-on range of the izdeliye 760 seeker, a high resistance to countermeasures and a target-recognition capability.
To make the missile suitable for internal carriage, its cross-section will be reduced to 320x320 mm.
To maximise the weapon's coverage, it can be fired in lock-on-after-launch (LOAL) mode, starting under inertial control before achieving in-flight lock-on. It will be able to engage targets up to 160ⅹ from the aircraft's heading.
 

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AV! how about the AESA Radar front and rear ! India opted for twin seater version, where as the russians opted for the single seaters! The initial 3 protos will be single seaters...How about usage of conformal antennas? satcom links etc...

seen your previous posts on radar! compared to Phazotron ZHUK-AE, NIIP's IRBIS seems to be a clever design with gimablled PESA antenna array unit, which definetely covers more scan volume than ZHUL-AE!
 

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AV! how about the AESA Radar front and rear ! India opted for twin seater version, where as the russians opted for the single seaters! The initial 3 protos will be single seaters...How about usage of conformal antennas? satcom links etc...

seen your previous posts on radar! compared to Phazotron ZHUK-AE, NIIP's IRBIS seems to be a clever design with gimablled PESA antenna array unit, which definetely covers more scan volume than ZHUL-AE!
venkat check this thread the new aesa to be displayed actively on MKS 2009
its different aesa than the zhuk one developed for mig-35
all future su30mki upgrades will contain this aesa

also new pakfa missiles are on display....at maks
check the above thread
 

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An internal weapon bay tailored for Brahmos II would be a great add on for a deep strike missions.
 

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nitesh sir is it confirmed by sukhoi,
i didnt find any info from the sukhoi site nor from 2 of the design labs

i see the pics has the stamp of sukhoi but mentions artist,s impression
 

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These pics were posted in previous pages of this thread. These are not official pics of PAKFA but just artist's impression.
 

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India tests it's new fighter

IAF tests its new fighter

India began flight evaluations in the skies of Bangalore for its largest-ever military purchase of 126 multi-role fighter aircraft last week.

At the same time, thousands of miles away in Moscow, officials from Russia's legendary Sukhoi Design Bureau and its Indian partner, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), finally decided that this November they would begin flight-testing the highly secretive prototype of a futuristic fifth generation fighter aircraft.

It is being developed under a joint technology and equity partnership between India and Russia.

Officially designated innocuously as T-50 for now, the Indo-Russian fighter will ostensibly match the American F-22 Raptor, the only fifth generation fighter aircraft currently in service. These properties include advanced stealth, a high-performance capabilities, concealed weapons, combat sensors and state-of-the-art avionics, among others.

With different parts of the rumoured three prototypes split between at least six aerospace centres across Russia, visitors to the MAKS-2009 air show outside Moscow last week had the opportunity to see only the Su-47 Berkut, an iconic experimental test-bed aircraft with radical forward-swept wings. The aircraft been used periodically to test sensors and sub- systems that will finally be integrated into the T-50 prototype.

In the absence of authentic imagery the aircraft, there have been several impressions of the futuristic Indo-Russian fighter jet, though sources at the United Aircraft Corporation - the umbrella organisation that governs most Russian aerospace design and manufacturing firms - says features are frequently shared with artists for the non-classified impressions. The aircraft, for which initial rate production is slated to begin by 2015 and full-rate production by 2017, will be inducted to replace Russia's Su-27 and MiG-29 fleets, and India's Jaguar, MiG-29 and Mirage-2000 squadrons.

According to top sources, after the inter-governmental agreement between India and Russia is converted shortly into a formal general agreement, the two countries will incorporate the partnership with an equal equity arrangement, by which time production work-share of the fighter will have been decided upon.

As per the draft proposal, the aft fuselage, tail assemblies and starboard wing will be manufactured in India. Final integration will be divided between the Irkutsk factory in Siberia and HAL's Nashik hub. According to top South Block sources, the ambiguous Indian medium combat aircraft (MCA) programme, being spearheaded by the Aeronautical Development Agency, has already started functioning as a development platform to feed the fifth generation fighter programme.

In fact, with the Indian Light Combat Aircraft missing major production goalposts, there is a proposal already doing the rounds to strip the MCA programme of any unique product identity and to officially merge it with the fifth generation fighter programme. But both HAL and the Defence Research and Development Organisation have submitted that the structure of the MCA should not be tampered with.

IAF tests its new fighter: India Today - Latest Breaking News from India, World, Business, Cricket, Sports, Bollywood.
 

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Has begun testing a second sample of fifth-generation fighter



Russian Air Force began testing a second sample of fifth-generation fighter, said on Thursday head Air Forces Colonel-General Alexander Zelina.

"The second car that passes the test surface, is already here in Moscow", - said Zelina reporters at MAKS-2009 air show.


Source: Information Agency «RIA" News ""
Published: 20.08.2009, 12:19

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Head Of Russian Airforce: the first fifth-generation aircraft to rise into the air in November

INTERFAX.RU - Air Force head Alexander Zelina told reporters on Thursday that the flight tests of fifth-generation aircraft will begin in November.According to him, the second experimental car in Moscow, and ground testing has already begun.

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"Avionics" will begin the formation of the first set of flight T-50 in August-September 2009


Zhukovski. 20 August. Airport - Concern "Avionics" will begin the formation of the first set of flight copies of T-50 aircraft in August and September 2009, said at a press conference at the MAKS-2009 the President of JSC "Concern" Avionics "Givi Janjgava.

"To date, made computing environment (PC with six processors), and visualization tools. Flight and the aircraft navigation system runs on the adjustment of the bench," - he added.

Today, the most important issue on the T-50 - a set of network architecture, ie the integration of aircraft in the military structure of control systems of fighting."This would increase the efficiency of the complex in time", - stressed G. Janjgava.


Source: Andrew Jürgenson / / AviaPort.Ru
Published: 20.08.2009, 12:33
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BREO fifth-generation fighter aircraft to be integrated into the network structure of control of forces


BREO fifth-generation fighter aircraft to be integrated into the network structure of control of forces.This was at the salon MAKS-2009 the President of OJSC "Concern Avionics" Givi Janjgava.

According to him, "if the introduction of advanced technologies is to increase the efficiency of a few tens of percent, the inclusion of 5-generation fighter in the overall management system setetsentricheskuyu forces improves its effectiveness in the use of times."

"Our main task is to create such a control system aircraft, which would fit into the overall management of troops and interspecific interactions, as well as the training objectives," - stressed G. Janjgava.

In addition, according to G. Janjgava, the hallmark of BREO fifth-generation aircraft is the maximum possible discharge pilot. It is also the fifth generation to have expanded opportunities for the final objective function, ie, on the application of the most promising weapons.

Currently JSC "Concern Avionics" produced for the test bench, two on-board computing complex fifth-generation aircraft. They have already put the customer and pass on the adjustment of the stands.

"We hope that by the end of the year will take place the first sample of airborne complex, which will be installed on the aircraft experienced the fifth generation - has concluded G. Janjgava.

Source: Information Agency «ARMS-TASS»
Published: 20.08.2009, 15:06
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NIIP radar for PAKFA , has got more than 1500 TR modules (actually counted by some one).
 

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INTERVIEW - Russia's new fighter to fly by yr-end - Sukhoi
Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:11pm IST

By Dmitry Solovyov

ZHUKOVSKY, Russia (Reuters) - Russia's first fifth-generation fighter jet will make its maiden flight by year-end, the aircraft's designer said, as Moscow seeks to catch up with the United States in a military aviation dogfight.


Military and civilian plane-maker Sukhoi is bidding to revive an industry crippled by the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union, which left Western rivals to dominate passenger markets and Washington to launch a fifth-generation fighter.

Asked when Russia's first post-Soviet fighter jet would take off, Sukhoi General Director Mikhail Pogosyan told Reuters: "We will spare no effort for this to happen this year, and I believe we have every reason to say this work is proceeding according to plan."

Pogosyan also predicted Sukhoi would take up to 20 percent of the world's regional jet market with Russia's first passenger airliner in almost two decades, the Superjet 100.

"We expect that, in our segment of regional passenger airliners, we'll take a 15-20 percent share of the global market. We think it will take us five to 10 years to achieve this," he said.

In the Reuters television interview on the sidelines of the MAKS-2009 aerospace fair outside Moscow on Wednesday, Pogosyan said he was hopeful Sukhoi's fifth-generation fighter jet would not face any last-minute hitches.

"There are always 'nuances' in the creation of military equipment that are impossible to predict," he said. "But I am hopeful we will be able to avoid such nuances."

Fifth-generation jets, such as the U.S. F-22 Raptor stealth fighter which first flew in 1997, are invisible to radar and boast "intelligent" on-board flight and arms control systems and supersonic cruising speeds.

Asked if the Russian fighter could challenge the U.S. Raptor, Pogosyan said he had no reason to doubt that the Sukhoi plane would be competitive.

Konstantin Makiyenko, deputy head of the Moscow-based Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST) think tank, said that, even with delays, the Russian plane would likely make its first flight by January or February.

"But this doesn't matter much," he said. "There could be at least 10 years between the first flight of the fifth-generation prototype and commercial production."

Sukhoi's jets account for about half of Russia's military aviation exports and a quarter of its annual arms sales, with India the company's largest client, CAST estimates.

Sukhoi has over $4 billion worth of deals with India to supply some 130 fighter jets by 2014, CAST said.

CIVILIAN SUCCESS

Sukhoi is spearheading Russian efforts to break into the global market for passenger aircraft with its Superjet 100 regional jet.

Designed to replace ageing Tupolev-134 and Yakovlev-42 planes on routes between Russia's regional cities, the Superjet is a joint creation of the state's United Aviation Corporation (UAC) and U.S. plane maker Boeing.

The Superjet was developed with Italy's Finmeccanica and can carry 75-95 passengers.

The aircraft made its maiden flight, initially planned for 2007, in May 2008 and its first public flight in June this year. It is still undergoing tests.

In international markets, the Superjet will compete with Brazilian aircraft maker Embraer and Canada's Bombardier Inc, which currently dominate the sector.

"We greatly respect all the hard work they've done but we do think that the technological, engineering and scientific potential of the Russian aircraft-making industry allows us to achieve everything I've told you, even with such strong competitors," Pogosyan said.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...41866120090820

INTERVIEW - Russia's new fighter to fly by yr-end - Sukhoi | World | Reuters
 

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Concept of Stealth in Sukhoi Family.

Concept of Stealth in Sukhoi Family.

Stealth Aircraft Technology: "Our Capabilities are not Inferior to Those of America"

Andrey Lagarjkov,
Director General of the United Institute of High Temperatures of the Russian Academy of Sciences (and an Associate Member of the Academy), talks about Russian stealth technology in the following interview with the Russia/CIS Observer.

Until recently, all Russian developments in the field of stealth technologies were strictly classified. There weren't any reports made concerning research institutes dealing with these issues. The veil was raised somewhat last year when it was announced for the first time that the United Institute of High Temperatures of the Russian Academy of Sciences was carrying out research in the domain of reduced aircraft visibility. The information was rather sketchy. It was reported that the institute is specialized in creating materials with new properties, in particular with ferromagnetics and so-called artificial magnetics. It was pointed out that technologies developed by the institute were used in designing and manufacturing the Sukhoi Su-27M and Su-37 (Su-47). Director General Lagarjkov, who hasn't spoken about such matters in public before, told Sergey Sokut about work of his institute in greater detail.

- How does Russia's way of making aircraft stealthy differ from the American technology?
- The Americans have two approaches. The first, and earliest one, was used for the F-117 and B-2. The low radar cross-section (RCS) was achieved through the shape of the aircraft and the use of radar-absorbing materials to cover the airframe. In this application, the principle of minimal level of visibility was a cornerstone - and other characteristics had to be sacrificed. For example, both aircraft are subsonic. Later the Americans tried another approach: modern radar absorbing materials are applied to F-16 and F-18, as well as to 5th generation F-22 and JSF combat aircraft, which have a traditional shape. The low level of visibility is achieved through different techniques, which Mikhail Pogosyan, director of Sukhoi, and I are going to reveal in the near future. We and the Americans are close to each other in this type of technology. Russia possesses the technology for upgrading in-service aircraft with modern stealth characteristics, and moreover, this technology is demanded by foreign operators of Russian aircraft. We, together with Sukhoi, have achieved world-class results in this area, which are confirmed by tests of real aircraft. We also can optimize the shape of the aircraft to lower the level of visibility, but I still wouldn't like to speak about the use of our techniques for 5th generation aircraft.

- When would it be possible to speak about achieved results?
- Some discussion is possible today. The exact results of radar cross-section reduction will never be disclosed, neither here in Russia nor abroad. But sometime ago it was announced that the RCS of a MiG-21 fighter after its treatment by our institute is approximately 0.25 sq m. This corresponds to the characteristics of a cruise missile.

- How far is it possible to go in reducing visibility of the 4th generation aircraft, and what additional improvements can be achieved in the next generation?

- My MiG-21 example demonstrates that the RCS of upgraded/modernized aircraft can be reduced 12-15 times.
If we speak about new designed models, I wouldn't want to discuss the numbers publically.

- In the press, information has been published about exotic technologies for providing low visibility, for example, plasma. How effective is it?

- We use plasma in solving the problems of RCS of an aircraft's nosecone. In general, plasma technologies are very useful at flight altitudes of more than 25 km. At low altitudes it is impossible to use them, because there is not enough power on board.

- What is the share of stealth technologies in the total aircraft cost?
- If stringent, but reasonable requirements for visibility are implemented in the project from the very beginning, it won't be too large. I'd like to point out here that at my institue, we have carried out advanced work in fundamental research. I also want to stress here that we had to do this without governmental support - funding our research from out-of-budget sources during the last 10-15 years.

- It is known that you cooperate closely with Sukhoi. What about the institute's work with other design bureaus?
- Recently, we have started cooperating intensively with the others as well.

- If we compare achievements of different countries in the reduction of aircraft visibility, who would the leaders be? Obviously, the Americans would hit the top, wouldn't they?
- The Americans are no. 1 because of the application of stealth to a large volume of real products. But considering the understanding of the whole problem in general - and the potential

- I don't think the Americans are better than we are. We are able to achieve, and already have achieved, the same - and even in some areas, we have had somewhat better results. Another plus for the Americans is their broader application of stealth. In particular, they are entering the world market with the stealthy aircraft. Similar developments are being made in Europe, but the level of these countries is not so high. The French are tackling this problem as well. They have very good research equipment - anechoic chambers, for example. Their Rafale fighter is advertised as an aircraft with a low radar cross-section.

ATO Russia & CIS Observer*-*Archive*-*¹ 2 (4), November 2003*-*INTERVIEW*-*

nice article but even old, so i taught post it here
 
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Fighter Order Rekindles Russian Air Force

Russian air force ambitions stretch far beyond the $2.65-billion Sukhoi fighter order at the MAKS 2009 show. Aspirations include fielding an unmanned combat air vehicle (UCAV) alongside its fifth-generation fighter and developing a next-generation strategic bomber.

The fighter deal is a fillip to the air force and Sukhoi. The military will acquire 48 Su-35S fighter aircraft from 2010-15, along with 12 Su-27SMs and four Su-30M2s. Delivery of the last two versions of the Flanker should be completed by 2011.

Securing an air force order bolsters Sukhoi’s export aims for the Su-35, while also providing production work for its Komsomolsk-on-Amur site.

Maj. Gen. Oleg Barmin, chief of procurement for the Russian air force, says the Su-35S offer was particularly attractive to his service. “We are not bearing any development costs, and it is saving us money,” he told a press briefing here last week. If MiG is able to do the same with its MiG-35 development of the MiG-29 Fulcrum, this would benefit a possible purchase, he noted.

The S-35S will operate with the air force’s fifth-generation fighter, known as PAK-FA, when it enters service.

The PAK-FA’s radar design was unveiled at the show, with Russian manufacturer NIIP showing a prototype of the active, electronically scanned array (AESA) device. The radar had initially remained covered on the company stand, since government clearance was needed to show the design.

The 1,500-element array is a slight ellipse, likely reflecting the cross section of the PAK-FA nose. While NIIP officials say they have looked at an AESA design in which the antenna face can be moved, the approach being taken with PAK-FA is for a fixed antenna. Test flights of the radar are due to begin in 2010. The first PAK-FA prototype is still expected to fly before year-end. The aircraft design also could use secondary conformal array antennas to provide additional angular coverage.

NIIP previously developed a variety of passive, phased array radars; however, the shift to an active array poses a leap in technology—not least of all in manufacturing the transmit/receive modules.

The air force procurement chief maintains that fielding the Su-35S will provide his service with a near-term counter to the U.S. Air Force’s Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor.

In addition to the PAK-FA, the air force is looking at its UCAV needs. Barmin suggests it will carry “the same weapons as the fifth-generation fighter.”

MiG and Sukhoi are already working on UCAV developments. Two years ago, MiG unveiled its Skat project and showed a mockup of the design. The company is continuing its UCAV work, although its exact status is unknown. Sukhoi General Designer Mikhail Pogosyan, who also leads MiG, suggests the development of a UCAV could be the first common effort between the two fighter manufacturers. Both are to form the combat aircraft business unit of Russia’s United Aircraft Corp (UAC), with Sukhoi as the dominant element.

MiG is struggling with considerable debt, and this is hindering bringing it within the ambit of UAC. The financial malaise at MiG may be hampering UCAV work. The government has already provided MiG with 15 billion rubles ($470 million). During the show, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said discussions are underway covering an additional 15 billion rubles.

Pogosyan says the air force is now drawing up its requirements for a UCAV. This initial work may be concluded during 2010. Alongside looking at unmanned strike platform needs, the air force is considering long-endurance reconnaissance requirements.

While a full-blown UCAV development and program may appear ambitious for an air force that has struggled with chronic underfunding for nearly two decades, this pales beside what would be required for a next-generation strategic bomber program to replace the Tu-160 Blackjack and Tu-95 Bear. The nascent bomber project is known as PAK-DA (AW&ST Aug. 17, p, 26).

Barmin says work is underway on a replacement for the Blackjack and the Bear. But he declines to say whether any funding to support the PAK-DA will be included in the government’s 2011-20 defense acquisition program. Some form of preliminary research and development contract has been concluded with Tupolev, according to a company executive.

Whether Tupolev has the technical resources—even when it becomes part of the UAC—to sustain development of a next-generation strategic bomber remains an open question. Tupolev is involved in implementing staged upgrades for the air force’s small number of Tu-160s and for the larger Tu-95MS fleet. The aim is to improve both types’ strategic and tactical strike capabilities and extend their useful service lives.

Having signed the Su-35S deal, Barmin says the air force is now preparing the contract for an associated weapons purchase. This is part of a wider and badly needed effort to refresh the service’s air-launched weapons inventory.

“There are over 20 types [of new weapons] in different stages of development,” says Barmin, and some of them will provide “high precision” and “long range.”

Some of the systems to which Barmin is referring were displayed by Russia’s Tactical Missile Corp. during the show.

Boris Obnosov, Tactical Missile’s general director, said at a press briefing that the company’s “new systems” on display “were required not only for foreign but also for Russian customers.”

The company unveiled upgraded versions of the R-77 (AA-12 Adder) radar-guided air-to-air missile and R-73 (AA-11 Archer) infrared-guided dogfight missile. Known for export as the RVV-SD and RVV-MD, respectively, these two weapons will likely form part of the package for the Su-35S.

Obnosov says he hopes contracts covering the Su-35S package will be “signed very soon.” He adds that while domestic orders are increasing, exports have declined, and this is proving a challenge in the current economic environment.

Along with the likely improvements to the air force’s air-to-air missile inventory, the Su-35S weapons procurement will also include a “new weapon capable of precision strike against ground targets outside of surface-to-air missile engagement zones,” the air force procurement chief asserts.

A prototype Su-35 was on static display, and weapons fitted included a mockup of a version of the Kh-38M air-to-surface missile family that is now in development.

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Raptor killer?

F-22 raptor is regarded by many us pilots as a 4-gen fighter with stealth. If sukoi develop newer systems as fly by light, forward swept wings, a 180 kn engine and other qualities non-existent on prevailing 4-gen planes, it would surely be a raptor killer. But reports from ria novosti put it at more of a jsf killer than a raptor killer.
 

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guys there is no raptor killer the PAKFA is a good initiative and the f-22 and JSF both are equally good in their own rights lets not behave like the media fanboys and have logical discussions on how can pakfa benefit ? and what might be expected from it
 

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From Indian point of view this fighter should be capable of stealth strike mission in case of any war against Pakistan. If there is a war India will need to take on the Pak awacs first and lethal strike on air-defence installations, air-bases and ballistic missile lunch pads and pave the way for su-mki, mig-29 , mirage 2000 etc to tighten the knot.
 
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