PAKFA & FGFA News and Discussions

[plugwater]

Indian VVS, I think, they will order as the minimum 200-250 such machines, and if the growth rates of this country are preserved at the level of the present decade, i.e., order 7-8%, it is possible to hope also for the more scale purchases.


Finally, the order 30% buyers of the market for the heavy fighters of third country it will be reserved for THE PACK [FA] at least because this is American and Chinese proposal. The number of states, for example, in southeastern Asia, will be oriented to the purchase of precisely Russian- Indian machines for military-political reasons.


- You it does not seem that the fighter of the 5th generation - this is faster the arrogant project, than which has real applied value? We nevertheless were late with this aircraft, American- that to us no longer to overtake. Yes even so whether already it for us is necessary? Here, for example, Europe not at all conducts the development of the fighters of the 5th generation, there counts on the deep modernization of the existing machines. It can be, and us it was to be been more modestly and been concentrated during the development “Su-35” and “MiG-35”?


- No. In contrast to Russia the European Countries do not encounter the real threat of their safety, but for waging of semi-colonial expeditionary wars completely it suffices to have aviation complexes on the base of the platforms of the fourth generation. Russia in this respect is located in much the more indeterminate position.


Our country borders on the number of the states, which carry out demonstratively [rusofobskuyu] foreign policy. The fighters F, completely can appear in arsenal of some of them into the next 15-20 years. But in the Far East some our neighbors have themselves to Russia territorial claims, and these neighbors also, it is completely probable, they will possess the fighters of the fifth generation, including of heavy class.


Finally we simply do not know, what peace in 2040 or 2050 will be. But life cycle PACK [FA], I will repeat, it will be prolonged approximately until now.
Furthermore, it is simply foolish to reject the natural competitive advantages, which Russia in the segment of heavy fighters possesses. At present our country controls (without taking into account internal American market) to half of the World Market for these machines. But such segments, where the Russian companies would be world leaders and occupied tens of percent of global market, very a little.


Finally, program PACK [FA] made it possible to preserve the foremost even Soviet school of military aircraft construction. This would be impossible, if by [aviaprom] it limited only to the modernization of the machines of the previous generation. But in the case of the loss of school for its recreation tens of billions of dollars would be required, but the main thing is/are not less than 20-30 years of persistent work and shift of several generations of engineers and designers. Similarly, precisely, this occurred in Russia in the region of designing the commercial airplanes. But if in commercial aviation it is possible to attempt to overcome delays via international cooperation, then in the military affairs this is much less probable. Here we must design exclusively for our own possibilities.

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[Daredevil]

Please use the new thread here

http://www.defenceforum.in/forum/showthread.php?8276-PAK-FA-FGFA-News-Discussions

 

[JAISWAL]

PAK-FA is all ready flying with new 5th gen. engine npo-117, and 2nd fifth gen Engine

Now here is an interview of NPO chief where he says that PAK-FA is all ready flying with new fifth gen. engine npo-117,
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Q - Since United Engine Corporation been
formed , 5 th generation Fighter T-50 " climbed
into the sky and is undergoing flight tests , the
first Superjet already been transferred to
commercial airlines ... What in your opinion the
most important changes occurred in the Russian
aviation industry during this period (3 years) that
we acquired, and what can be lost?
A - The main thing in my opinion, is that joint
efforts succeeded in stopping the fall of the
industry. This required the efforts of many, first
and foremost, I would note Mikhail Pogosyan
and Eugene Marchukov - the General Designer
of the engine for the T-50.
For military aircraft, we have created two
engines - one for the aircraft, like Su-35 ",
the second - for the Russian aircraft 5 th
generation of T-50". The first - is "117C" - is
mainly intended for export. He is more
simple in terms of aerodynamics, and most
importantly - targeted for aircraft with
conventional arms, suspended on pylons
outside the fuselage, with no strong
constraints on dimensions. Such schemes
fro example are used on 4-th generation
aircraft s , exported to India and Malaysia.
The second engine - is "117" - though only differ
by one letter in the title, much more advanced
engine - this is a real engine of the 5-th
generation. From the rivals can sometimes be
heard the 5-th generation engine should be
with such a blade, such and such materials, high-
speed rotors, and you do not have this ... None
of this is all just ways of achieving the goal. A
single goal - increasing specific thrust, ie the ratio
of thrust to its weight. For example, the first jet
engine Arkhip Mikhailovich Lulka weighed 1350 kg
and had the same thrust, that is, its specific thrust
is equal to 1. The 4 th generation engine ,
"AL-31F, has already managed to achieve specific
thrust of 8.7, and on a 5 th generation, the figure
is 10.
The new engine delivers a supersonic speed
without afterburner mode. What it gives? If
before the fighter was flying to the target with the
speed of 700 km / h, now - it is twice as fast.
Our "117" today is already flying on two
T-50s. For the company it is quite a major
achievement, a large move forward. Although it
never was easy. We also have new ideas, we can
boast some good groundwork. What is needed
in the field of military aviation - the beginning of
this mass production? To protect such a large
country like ours, from a serious attack the
number as 500-1000 aircrafts is needed . For
this needed orders, money, production
infrastructure.
.
Defunct Humanity: New interview with Al-41F chief designer

 

[JAISWAL]

and there is an other suprise
.
A second 5th gen. Engine TYPE-30 .
.
Q - In the difficult years for the Russian aircraft
industry, aircraft building companies that
produced military aircraft survived by exports,
especially in China and India. Today, the Chinese
have copied our Su-27 "and are ready to sell it on
world markets at dumping prices. Not whether
as a result we lose our traditional markets of
combat aircraft?
A - We dont, because such an aircraft as we
have, the Chinese have no and will have no in
visible prospective. They say that they have
made a 5-th generation plane, but one can say
anything ... Their best engine was copied
from our "AL-31F. And we produce 5-th
generation engines , and they are in all of their
parameters of thrust, specific fuel consumption
correspond to the 5-th generation. I opened the
secret and say that we actually already
have two 5-th generation engines. The
second, which is now conventionally called
the "Type 30", has already been tested in
flight on the fighter T-50 ". In the future it
probably will give the name of "AL-...."
According to its parameters it a 15-25 percent better than "117 th".
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.
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From same article.

 

[p2prada]

The 117 is already equivalent to the F-22s engine when it comes to thrust. Nothing is known about other parameters though.

 

[LurkerBaba]

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