Pak Stoked J&K Terror. Time for New Ties

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There should be no peace talks with pakistan.

resolution on present loc in kashmir will be treachery of the highest order by any govt in India. status quo is benefitial to us and we should maintain it.

in time we will have all the cards to play with but we should wile away time till then.
Agreed. The Pakis have a habit of making overtures to India when they are weak. All this Aman ki Tamasha is only as long as the Pakis are not stable enough vis-a-vis India to do a repeat of Kargil or 65'. I tell you, if the Pakis had been as strong as India and if the Indians had been at the level of the Pakis, they would have grabbed large swathes of Indian territory by now.

Pakis are "men of peace" as long as they are weak and unstable. Falling into that trap and settling for LoC border is the worst thing that GoI can do. If we wait it out for another 10-15 years, even if Pakistan still exists, the power difference will be mind-boggling. Then we can begin talking about retaking PoK.
 

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Gilgit-Baltistan is not on the cards for India. The official stance may be so, but than without us claiming entire Kashmir, our case would be much weaker! The Indian army in '47 was positioned to run over GB, yet, the order which came from New Delhi was to halt and a cease fire signed. I believe when it comes to Kashmir, it is not necessarily the political region which is eyed but the water; the lifeline of Pakistan. India has all of Pakistan's and NW India's water sources in its hand, and therefore is more than content with sitting on the land as it is. There is nothing significant that Gilgit-Baltistan can offer India which India doesn't already have.
with out going OT but lets say in a hypothetical situation Kashmir is in Pakistan control how long would you think they would wait before they turned off the water supply to northwest India?
 

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Gilgit-Baltistan is not on the cards for India. The official stance may be so, but than without us claiming entire Kashmir, our case would be much weaker! The Indian army in '47 was positioned to run over GB, yet, the order which came from New Delhi was to halt and a cease fire signed. I believe when it comes to Kashmir, it is not necessarily the political region which is eyed but the water; the lifeline of Pakistan. India has all of Pakistan's and NW India's water sources in its hand, and therefore is more than content with sitting on the land as it is. There is nothing significant that Gilgit-Baltistan can offer India which India doesn't already have.
GB is vital. Land corridor through Afghanistan to CAR. Constant supply of gas for the next 3 decades. Piped gas, cheap and reliable. Lots of other advantages exist.

And then, breaking the taller-deeper friendship/link. That is the biggest thing.

Edit: Messiah beat me to it. :)
 

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It offers a direct land access to central asia and also break chinese land connection with pakistan.

It should be our top priority to get back gilgit and baltistan!
GB is vital. Land corridor through Afghanistan to CAR. Constant supply of gas for the next 3 decades. Piped gas, cheap and reliable. Lots of other advantages exist.

And then, breaking the taller-deeper friendship/link. That is the biggest thing.

Edit: Messiah beat me to it. :)
I stand corrected.

I wonder though if CAR/Afghanistan-Iran-Chahbar would still be the preferred route for shipping gas since that may be a cheaper route than through the tenuous mountainous terrain.


with out going OT but lets say in a hypothetical situation Kashmir is in Pakistan control how long would you think they would wait before they turned off the water supply to northwest India?
They would be stupid doing so, since shutting off NW India also means shutting off water supply to Pakistan since all of Indian Punjab's rivers feed the Indus in Pakistan.
 

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it seems after musharraf, IK is all set to toe the indian line, be it on kashmir or trade but then that could well mean the 4 point agenda discussed between MMS and mush possibly being put to work.

the best part is, IK has now repeatedly termed the pakistan sponsored terror in J&K as terrorism and no one in pakistani media is raising a voice, and there remains extremely limited coverage of this within pak media, which definitely shows that for now the pak army is not interested in rocking his boat, what is further note worthy is that a big chunk of people who were ministers during mush's dictatorship era are joining his party and it is possible that they could get to be the ministers in his government as and when it is formed, if so, every likely hood of continuation of mush dictatorship era's policies.

if khurshid kasuri gets to be the foreign minister, then there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that the much talked about 4 point agenda with the full backing of pak army will be implemented, the indian side as such has said there is no looking back on the issue, and the further movement on kashmir will be only be picked up from where it was left or there will be CBMs, and india has stuck to the line all throughout since the exit of musharraf.

why do i sense pakistanis are going to really hate and curse IK once he gets to be the PM of that country!
Quoting the above post as a reference.

It seems I wasn't off course. In the recent interview of IK to barkha dutt, the lady pointed out the positive movement on Kashmir, and the 4 point agenda, which she said were the highlights of Musharraf on the issue of Kashmir, and IK acknowledging it said, that was the "good" that Musharraf had done.

He again termed the terror in J&K as terrorism, and sponsored by Pakistan. He is getting quite explicit about it by the day.

To me it shows two things.

One, if and when he forms the government, the movement on Kashmir will be based on what was discussed during Musharraf dictatorship days, picked up from where it was left and will be around the 4 point agenda.

IK feels confident, the unfinished job left by Musharraf can be finished by him based on the high popularity he is riding on (though, that's not the words he uttered, but the tone and the body language did suggest that).

If so, MMS would have lived the dream that he so cherishes.

Two, the indian side will make the army move out of the towns, and the concentration will be on the borders. This will, most likely, happen as a part to CBM, and will be pretty much forced down the necks of the Indian Army, and so very likely the present or the next army chief, will be made to "fall in line". I believe, this will happen once the next government in Pakistan is formed, and then Pakistanis will "sell" this as a "give" by India on Kashmir, and a sort of a victory scored to soothe the Pakistani mind for the "give" that Pakistan will do.

When questioned about his party members sharing public dais with the likes of hafeez saeed, he said, its a part of a dialogue process, just like the americans have opened the Taliban office in Qatar, and are in a dialogue with them.
 

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Mate the same guy is now goin to share the stage with Hafeez Saeed. How can anyone in India take him seriously?
 

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Mate the same guy is now goin to share the stage with Hafeez Saeed. How can anyone in India take him seriously?
Yusuf,

IK is a highly self contradictory person. He is known to have said one thing to someone, and just another to someone else.

How can anyone in India take him seriously? India will do everything in writing.

my concern isnt IK, or the contradictions, the concern will be the "give" india will be ready to handout on kashmir. i suspect we will liquidate our stand on kashmir, something that will be in line with the 4 point agenda.
 

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IK is a big chuuuuutiya The guy just want to win election. He is trying to impress every body
 

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