Pak, Russia army chiefs discuss US exit in Afghanistan

[farhan_9909]

ISLAMABAD: Top military commanders from Pakistan and Russia discussed here the post-2014 scenario in Afghanistan on Monday, as the two sides are wary of US roadmap to bring long-term stability to the war-torn country.

The meeting between army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani and his Russian counterpart Col General Vladimir V Chirkin at the General Headquarters in Rawalpindi came in the backdrop of uncertainty over the future of Afghanistan.

Although both Pakistan and Russia had remained bitter cold war rivals during the former Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan, relations between the two countries have shown significant improvement in recent years.

If Afghanistan was the source of tensions between the two countries in the 1980s, it has now become the point of convergence.
Official sources familiar with the meeting of top generals told The Express Tribune that Islamabad and Moscow had unanimity of views on the future of Afghanistan.

According to sources, General Kayani and General Chirkin agreed that the US should come up with a clear roadmap for its pullout plan from Afghanistan.
Both Pakistan and Russia appear not to be in favour of the stationing of US forces in Afghanistan on a permanent basis.
"Their presence can be a source of confrontation and friction in the region," said a diplomatic source.

According to the source, Russia fears that Afghanistan may slip into the civil war in the absence of a clear roadmap for peace and stability.
The peace process, meant to bring the Afghan Taliban on the negotiating table, is currently deadlocked over differences between the insurgent group and the government of President Hamid Karzai.
A statement issued by the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) confirmed that the two generals discussed the 'overall security situation in the region'.

"The two discussed matters of mutual interest with emphasis on improving defence cooperation between Russia and Pakistan especially army-to-army relations," it added.

General Chirkin also attended a wreath laying ceremony at 'Shuhada Monument' and was presented a guard of honour by a smartly turned out contingent of Pakistan Army. The Russian general also called on Chairman Joint Chiefs of Saff General Khalid Shameem Wynne.

The visit of Russian Army Chief is part of efforts by the two countries to redefine their relations in view of the new regional and global challenges.
Last year, General Kayani undertook a historic trip to Moscow marking the beginning of new phase in their otherwise troubled ties.
Published in The Express Tribune, August 6th, 2013.

 

[farhan_9909]

Pakistan should even offer some Military bases to Russia once the NATO leave Afghanistan.

 

[mahesh]

Pakistan should even offer some Military bases to Russia once the NATO leave Afghanistan.

why can't pakistan create it's own caliber to do the same role of what Russia would do or china,

 

[hit&run]

Pakistan should even offer some Military bases to Russia once the NATO leave Afghanistan.

I was going to hurl this insult on what Pakistanis could be discussing with Russia. But you have done it yourself. It is called own goal.

 

[Vishwarupa]

Pakistan should even offer some Military bases to Russia once the NATO leave Afghanistan.

Good Suggestion indeed

Why doesn't pakistan surrender itself to UN, why let only US,chinese, Nato & Russians to enjoy pakistan. Let every country in this world enjoy pakistan i

First they invited NATO & US forces & got themselves a NEW NATIONAL BIRD called Drone. Now they are inviting Russia to set up military bases inside pakistan( May be this time they will get a new NATIONAL ANIMAL).

Some how somewhere pakistan wants to be with someone for free sex.

 

[natarajan]

Pakistan and prostitute are same both expose to get money

 

[Blackwater]

Pakistan should even offer some Military bases to Russia once the NATO leave Afghanistan.

hahaha ,if u gave them bases in 1970ties ,taliban would not have been born lolllll.


BTW to lay down in bed with every tom dick and harry is part of Pakistan 5000000000 yrs old culture:taunt1:

 

[DEJAVU]

@farhan you made a horrible statement

 

[amoy]

double post deleted

 

[amoy]

I don't think Pakistan would offer any base to Russia nor does Russia need any.

If Afghanistan was the source of tensions between the two countries in the 1980s, it has now become the point of convergence.

Afghanistan does bring erstwhile foes together. I recall somewhere I read that Shevardnadze then Soviet Foreign Minister flied to Islamabad in an attempt to broker a peace deal / coalition government after Soviet pull-out from Afghanistan, but was rejected upfront. Years later Taliban captured Kabul...

1987: "About the Results of Eduard Shevardnadze and Anatoly Dobrynin's Visit to Afghanistan" | William Bowles.info

[Let us] act on all directions. Figure out seriously where [to send] and how to use our assistance, to launch foreign policy mechanisms through Cordovez, through Pakistan. To try [to talk] with the Chinese, and of course to work for an agreement with the Americans. There is the tiredness of Afghanistan everywhere — in Afghanistan itself, and in Pakistan, and in our country, and in the entire world.

When we went into Afghanistan, we were bound by ideological aspects, we assumed that it was possible to jump up three stages at once — from feudalism to socialism. Now we can look at the situation openly.

And [let us] carry out a realistic line. We have accepted everything in Poland — the Catholic church, the individual peasant agriculture, the ideology, and the political pluralism. Reality is reality. The comrades are right in saying: it is better to pay cash than the lives of our men. [Let us] push Najib and to finish it all in two years.

History repeats itself , 2013 vs. 1987

 

[Ray]

Pakistan should even offer some Military bases to Russia once the NATO leave Afghanistan.

Yes, it would go a long way to fill the dried up coffers of Pakistan through rents!

 

[farhan_9909]

Cheap useless comments

anyway i was searching and got that if we hand over deosai plains to russia to make an airbase.it would be helpful for them as it would be the world highest airbase altitude wise

 

[farhan_9909]

Meanwhile we are also offered 10 mi 17
And A pakistani upcoming air line is about to strike a deal with Russia for 6 sukhoi super 100 Jets.

Russian C-in-C calls on General Kayani, General Wynne

Pakistan and Russia agreed to boost defence cooperation during a meeting on Monday between Russian Ground Forces Commander-in-Chief (C-in-C) Colonel General Vladimir V Chirkin and Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani at the General Headquarters (GHQ) Rawalpindi to discuss military collaboration between the two countries.

The two generals discussed matters of mutual interest with emphasis on improving defence cooperation, army-to-army relations the security situation in the region, especially in Afghanistan post 2014.

General Chirkin also attended a wreath-laying ceremony at the Shuhada Monument and was presented a guard of honour by a contingent of the Pakistan Army.

The general also met Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee Chairman General Khalid Shameem Wynne.

They discussed cooperation between the two armies.

"The regional situation with an emphasis on Afghanistan was also discussed during the meeting," said an official statement released by Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR).

The Russian commander's visit is a follow-up of the major breakthrough between the two countries for boosting military ties.

Russia and Pakistan share a history of strained military relations, especially in wake of the 1979 Russian invasion of Afghanistan.

Following the Union of Soviet Socialist Republic (USSR) invasion of Afghanistan, Pakistan had supported the Afghan mujahideen.

The USSR forces were defeated and the UUSR consequently disintegrated.

Talks on military cooperation began in May 25, 2011 when the then Russian Ground Forces Commander-in-Chief Colonel General Alexander Postnikov visited Pakistan and met General Kayani and other military commanders.

He was the first Russian senior military official to visit Pakistan after the 1980s Afghan war.

In October 2012, General Kayani visited Russia where he was received by General Chirkin.

This visit paved the way for future Pakistan-Russia defence ties.

Pakistan, Russia to boost military cooperation | Pakistan Today | Latest news | Breaking news | Pakistan News | World news | Business | Sport and Multimedia[/url

Colonel General Vladimir V. Chirkin, C-in-C of the Ground Forces of Russian Federation, called on General Khalid Shameem Wynne, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (CJCSC). He remained with Chairman for some time and discussed matters related to mutual cooperation between the two Armed Forces. The regional situation with an emphasis on Afghanistan was also dilated upon during the meeting.

 

[farhan_9909]

Islamabad, Moscow set sights on new era in relations | Newspaper | DAWN.COM

Reference:
http://www.dawn.com/2011/09/18/islamabad-moscow-set-sights-on-new-era-in-relations.html
The ties have been pushed by President Asif Ali Zardari and his Russian counterpart Dmitry Medvedev, who are said to have developed a rapport. The two presidents have met six times in the past three years. – File Photo by Reuters

ISLAMABAD: With the trough in Pakistan-US ties experiencing an extended run this year, Islamabad and Moscow have quietly been busy in trying to reinvent their relations. The two are currently readying to hold the second session of their inter-governmental commission, constituted to promote bilateral cooperation.

The minister-level commission is expected to meet in November in Islamabad for the second consecutive year, indicating that the two countries are attaching considerable importance to the initiative.

The focus of the meeting will be on economic cooperation, but both sides also want to forge a strategic partnership.

Recent regional developments have forced Pakistan and Russia to cosy up to each other. Russia wants to get more involved in regional affairs as it is wary of the growing influence of the US and Nato in the region. It also knows that Pakistan can play a key role in the Afghan endgame.

Better relations with Moscow suit Islamabad's long-term strategic interests as it seeks to diversify resources needed for meeting its economic, energy and defence requirements, particularly in view of continuing problems with Washington that has hitherto been its biggest supplier.

"Both Pakistan and Russia want to seize the window of opportunity and make a new beginning in their relations," a senior Pakistani diplomat told Dawn.

Russia has offered Pakistan a wide range of counter-terrorism equipment. The package on offer includes 10 MI-17 helicopters of unarmed configuration.

Mindful of reluctance in Moscow to sell arms to it, Pakistan is said to be considering the offer for helicopters even though it is not too interested in the unarmed transport version.

When Russian military chief Col-Gen Alexander Postnikov visited Pakistan in May he discussed with Army Chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani the possibility of expanding defence ties by holding joint military exercises, exchanging trainees and trainers and selling and buying weapons. The Russians have also offered to sell Sukhoi Superjet 100, a modern aircraft with a capacity of up to 95 passengers. Pakistan, which has traditionally been purchasing Boeing and Airbus aircraft, may purchase a couple of the Russian jets on an experimental basis.

Moscow has shown special interest in energy projects. A working group of both countries met last month to explore cooperation in this sector.

A source privy to the discussions said Russia had agreed to invest $500 million in CASA-1,000 (Central Asia-South Asia) electricity transmission project.

At the same time, details for upgradation of Pakistan Steel Mills in two phases by Russia are being finalised. The upgradation would increase PSM's production capacity from 1.1 million tons to 3 million tons per year. Pakistan has also sought import concessions for 200 tariff lines.

The ties have been pushed by President Asif Ali Zardari and his Russian counterpart Dmitry Medvedev, who are said to have developed a rapport. The two presidents have met six times in the past three years.

 

[Blackwater]

Meanwhile we are also offered 10 mi 17
And A pakistani upcoming air line is about to strike a deal with Russia for 6 sukhoi super 100 Jets.[/QUOTE]





who will pay??? pls mention the donor also

 

[amoy]

Pakistan shall be invited to be a formal member of SCO

to make the hug around Afghanistan complete for the sake of world peace.

 

[Dovah]

Pakistan shall be invited to be a formal member of SCO

to make the hug around Afghanistan complete for the sake of world peace.

Why do Chinese use cliched/retarded terms like 'hug', friendship(deeper/taller)', 'pearls' etc.? Overcompensating?

 

[farhan_9909]

Pakistan shall be invited to be a formal member of SCO

to make the hug around Afghanistan complete for the sake of world peace.

Even Russia want to support Pakistan for SCO

CHICAGO - Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has said his country supports Pakistan joining the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO). The SCO already is working on special regulations that will enable observer countries to join the SCO, he said at the G8 summit. Pakistan has SCO observer status. In 2009, it expressed a desire to join because one of the SCO's main purposes is co-operation in the war on terrorism.

Russia supports Pakistan SCO membership

 

[amoy]

Why do Chinese use cliched/retarded terms like 'hug', friendship(deeper/taller)', 'pearls' etc.? Overcompensating?

I'm trying to use plain English. What can be better than hug or friendship to express that affection?

Now that even former foes like Russia (USSR) and Pakistan can reconcile for mutual interest SCO offers an effective platform for stakeholders to tackle Afghanistan plight.

 

[Dovah]

I'm trying to use plain English. What can be gayer than hug or friendship to express that affection?

ftfy

Now that even former foes like Russia (USSR) and Pakistan can reconcile for mutual interest SCO offers an effective platform for stakeholders to tackle Afghanistan plight.

Pakis have zero integrity they used to bed with USA against USSR now they bed with China against USA. Let's see how long before China falls victim to their self serving jihad.